View Poll Results: Do you have an intake?
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Who here does NOT have an intake?
07-26-2002, 06:56 PM
#42
Re: No intake here...
Originally posted by jjs
'cuz:
1. don't want to deal with potential MAF issues...
2. don't think the so-called performance gains are worth it...
3. don't think a car like the Max should have a loud sound of any kind...
'cuz:
1. don't want to deal with potential MAF issues...
2. don't think the so-called performance gains are worth it...
3. don't think a car like the Max should have a loud sound of any kind...
07-26-2002, 07:00 PM
#43
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Originally posted by Gr8bone
Do I have an intake: YES
Is it sitting in the garage because everytime I put it on I blow a MAF a couple weeks later: YES
The first time it happened to me I said OK its just a bad MAF.
I had to put my stock back on to get it warrantied. I kept the stock on for a couple months then decided to put the intake back on cuz I think the growl and 1-2 hp it gives at high RPM's so I do that and then the sensor blows again...it's staying off for good now.
Do I have an intake: YES
Is it sitting in the garage because everytime I put it on I blow a MAF a couple weeks later: YES
The first time it happened to me I said OK its just a bad MAF.
I had to put my stock back on to get it warrantied. I kept the stock on for a couple months then decided to put the intake back on cuz I think the growl and 1-2 hp it gives at high RPM's so I do that and then the sensor blows again...it's staying off for good now.
07-26-2002, 08:56 PM
#44
No intake...for now
Talk to me in a few weeks.
Injen will be under the hood of my 2K2.
Can't let trubu2k2 take all the NC thunder ( SR2ODEN das already NOS'd us off- hehe)
Gonna be real careful of the MAF and we'll see.
Lookin forward to the growl of the 4K RPM.
Shaydz
Injen will be under the hood of my 2K2.
Can't let trubu2k2 take all the NC thunder ( SR2ODEN das already NOS'd us off- hehe)
Gonna be real careful of the MAF and we'll see.
Lookin forward to the growl of the 4K RPM.
Shaydz
07-27-2002, 05:30 AM
#48
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The reasons people will not purchase an aftermarket intake for the Maxima are summed up nicely by jjs. Let's look at each of his objections once again and see if we can discover their underlying causes.
1. don't want to deal with potential MAF issues...
i.e., you're afraid.
2. don't think the so-called performance gains are worth it...
i.e., you're uninformed.
i.e., you like Camrys.
For those who are willing to assume some risk (albeit small), inform themselves, and accept an increase in noise for an increase in power, I'd recommend that you install an aftermarket intake and enjoy the ride!
1. don't want to deal with potential MAF issues...
i.e., you're afraid.
2. don't think the so-called performance gains are worth it...
i.e., you're uninformed.
3. don't think a car like the Max should have a loud sound of any kind...
i.e., you like Camrys.
For those who are willing to assume some risk (albeit small), inform themselves, and accept an increase in noise for an increase in power, I'd recommend that you install an aftermarket intake and enjoy the ride!
07-27-2002, 06:11 AM
#49
Guys, you're short-changing yourself if you don't have an intake of some kind. At the very least you can do an OSCAI.
However, if you are genuinely happy with your car's performance, then great, don't mess with it.
But don't keep from getting an intake because of fear of potential issues. Every single concern mentioned in this thread, AND how to effectively address it, has been discussed multiple times before.
However, if you are genuinely happy with your car's performance, then great, don't mess with it.
But don't keep from getting an intake because of fear of potential issues. Every single concern mentioned in this thread, AND how to effectively address it, has been discussed multiple times before.
07-27-2002, 07:09 AM
#51
Originally posted by wdave
2k se, 33k mi, not me, not likely. I'm not willing to sacrifice 30mpg highway with stock ram for a couple of peak hp and more noise.
2k se, 33k mi, not me, not likely. I'm not willing to sacrifice 30mpg highway with stock ram for a couple of peak hp and more noise.
IMO, Sucking air through a straw is more like it.
I've got 6K on my 2K2, very conservative on modifying anything on my car - BUT, I will be getting an different intake - the car gets more needed air and the MPG can actually go up (depends on how much you like the sound- LOL). There has been so much discussion on this.
That's my .02 - If you don't want it on your car - that's cool.
THe stock ram thing just cracked me up.
Shaydz
07-27-2002, 08:04 AM
#53
For those of you who say that the stock airbox/inlet is efficient, go open the hood of your car and please tell me how in the world air gets to your air filter. I would go as far as to say it's like sucking air through a BENT straw.
I am still astonished at the overengineering of the air inlet. Nissan was obviously more concerned with having a super quiet engine than one that can perform to its potential.
I am still astonished at the overengineering of the air inlet. Nissan was obviously more concerned with having a super quiet engine than one that can perform to its potential.
07-27-2002, 08:39 AM
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As far as results for 2k-2k1's I don't think it is that beneficial. Now on a 2K2 it is a different story. 2k2_6spd has an intake on his car and he ran almost 97mph in 110 degrees with just his intake (and he has a powertech muffler).
To support my claim: I have a K&N drop in with the OSCAI (I know its ugly) and I am running the same if not a little better MPH than ICEY2K1 who has the STILLEN hi-flow intake, and we have the same car down to the tranny. The reason I chose this set up is for 1. the cost 2. the sound. If you want a little more air without the noise get a drop in. Hey worst case is you will never have to buy an air filter again..
To support my claim: I have a K&N drop in with the OSCAI (I know its ugly) and I am running the same if not a little better MPH than ICEY2K1 who has the STILLEN hi-flow intake, and we have the same car down to the tranny. The reason I chose this set up is for 1. the cost 2. the sound. If you want a little more air without the noise get a drop in. Hey worst case is you will never have to buy an air filter again..
07-27-2002, 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Shaydz
I've got 6K on my 2K2, very conservative on modifying anything on my car - BUT, I will be getting an different intake - the car gets more needed air and the MPG can actually go up (depends on how much you like the sound- LOL). There has been so much discussion on this.
Shaydz
I've got 6K on my 2K2, very conservative on modifying anything on my car - BUT, I will be getting an different intake - the car gets more needed air and the MPG can actually go up (depends on how much you like the sound- LOL). There has been so much discussion on this.
Shaydz
07-27-2002, 09:30 AM
#56
This is how the FrankenCar has been a part of my life:
Installed at ~10,000 kms on my 2k2 6spd;
blew MAF and removed FC at ~19,000 kms;
MAF replaced under warranty;
reinstalled FC at ~22,000 kms
Currently have 31,000 kms on the car and am still running the FC. The power gains are worth it, the elimination of the 'bog' at around 2800-3000 rpm is worth it, the sound is tolerable. As far as mileage goes, I've kept track of each and every tank of fuel in my car in a spreadsheet and there is no way anyone can look at it and notice when the intake was on and when it was off the car. Highway MPG ([EDIT]Imp[/EDIT] gallon) has been around 28-32. Mixed driving seems to be about 25 MPG.
I think it's worth it, but at the same time, I'm waiting to see if my MAF dies again.
Albert
Installed at ~10,000 kms on my 2k2 6spd;
blew MAF and removed FC at ~19,000 kms;
MAF replaced under warranty;
reinstalled FC at ~22,000 kms
Currently have 31,000 kms on the car and am still running the FC. The power gains are worth it, the elimination of the 'bog' at around 2800-3000 rpm is worth it, the sound is tolerable. As far as mileage goes, I've kept track of each and every tank of fuel in my car in a spreadsheet and there is no way anyone can look at it and notice when the intake was on and when it was off the car. Highway MPG ([EDIT]Imp[/EDIT] gallon) has been around 28-32. Mixed driving seems to be about 25 MPG.
I think it's worth it, but at the same time, I'm waiting to see if my MAF dies again.
Albert
07-27-2002, 10:02 AM
#57
Originally posted by DrVolkl
I don't think the MPG goes up dude. More air into the cylider = more fuel to be added by the CPU which = less MPG. A CAI is not a turbo or a supercharger...no air is being forced into the engine. The CPU will read the amount of incoming air and adjust the fuel to match. PLUS with that added HP you're more likely to stomp on it...which we all know also decreases your MPG.
I don't think the MPG goes up dude. More air into the cylider = more fuel to be added by the CPU which = less MPG. A CAI is not a turbo or a supercharger...no air is being forced into the engine. The CPU will read the amount of incoming air and adjust the fuel to match. PLUS with that added HP you're more likely to stomp on it...which we all know also decreases your MPG.
SHHHHHHHHH!
It's an argument I use with the wife to justify the intake.... new car, etc.
Just go with it. I KNOW I'll be getting on it more.
I read in a post on here someone who's MPG increased after taking out the stock box and putting some kinda intake on it and been milking that one. Hehehe
Shaydz
07-27-2002, 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Shaydz
Stock Ram !
IMO, Sucking air through a straw is more like it.
I've got 6K on my 2K2, very conservative on modifying anything on my car - BUT, I will be getting an different intake - the car gets more needed air and the MPG can actually go up (depends on how much you like the sound- LOL). There has been so much discussion on this.
That's my .02 - If you don't want it on your car - that's cool.
THe stock ram thing just cracked me up.
Shaydz
Stock Ram !
IMO, Sucking air through a straw is more like it.
I've got 6K on my 2K2, very conservative on modifying anything on my car - BUT, I will be getting an different intake - the car gets more needed air and the MPG can actually go up (depends on how much you like the sound- LOL). There has been so much discussion on this.
That's my .02 - If you don't want it on your car - that's cool.
THe stock ram thing just cracked me up.
Shaydz
07-27-2002, 11:48 AM
#59
Originally posted by wdave
at any cruise under top speed you are using a relatively small throttle opening and the ram and cool air intake of the stock system will give better mpg.
at any cruise under top speed you are using a relatively small throttle opening and the ram and cool air intake of the stock system will give better mpg.
07-28-2002, 08:24 AM
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I think the MAF issue and the lack of a true understanding of why the MAF fails is the reason why I havent installed my Stillen intake yet. Is it over oiling the filter? Is it improper installation? Is it increased vibration to the MAF after the CAI/HAI is installed? I have yet to find a clear answer and I really dont think there is one. I would love to install my intake because I had one on each of my last 3 cars and they are a great performance enchancement. Especially with a aftermarket exhaust.
I am just going to leave the Stillen in my closet until there is a "known" reason why the MAF loves to fail once the intake is installed. I guess if a replacement MAF wasnt so expensive I would just put it on and go with it but a 500.00 repair wouldnt be cool right now. Im about 10K miles out of warranty.
I am just going to leave the Stillen in my closet until there is a "known" reason why the MAF loves to fail once the intake is installed. I guess if a replacement MAF wasnt so expensive I would just put it on and go with it but a 500.00 repair wouldnt be cool right now. Im about 10K miles out of warranty.
07-28-2002, 09:10 AM
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I agree with MaxDriven. Those things are junk. Until NISMO makes one available, im stayin the hell away from it. My MAF blew TWICE, once when i had the intake, and once weeks after i put the stock one back and had the MAF replaced. Its been behaving itself now, so Im not gonna **** with it. Just keep the stock box in.... thats what the pro's race with anyway.
07-28-2002, 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by JSpecMax
I agree with MaxDriven. Those things are junk. Until NISMO makes one available, im stayin the hell away from it. My MAF blew TWICE, once when i had the intake, and once weeks after i put the stock one back and had the MAF replaced. Its been behaving itself now, so Im not gonna **** with it. Just keep the stock box in.... thats what the pro's race with anyway.
I agree with MaxDriven. Those things are junk. Until NISMO makes one available, im stayin the hell away from it. My MAF blew TWICE, once when i had the intake, and once weeks after i put the stock one back and had the MAF replaced. Its been behaving itself now, so Im not gonna **** with it. Just keep the stock box in.... thats what the pro's race with anyway.
07-28-2002, 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by maximadriven
I dont know how much it has to do with the manufacturer, although the Frankencar intake has had the most MAF failures but they are also the most used, but I think the issue lies more in the installation or the mis-installation of the intake. You had two MAF failures, JSpecMax, and with one of the the failures happening with the stock air box in place I have to think that your install technique may be more of the reason why your MAF failed. I have been told to handle the MAF very delicately when installing intake. If you did not, there may lie the reason why your MAF failed.
I dont know how much it has to do with the manufacturer, although the Frankencar intake has had the most MAF failures but they are also the most used, but I think the issue lies more in the installation or the mis-installation of the intake. You had two MAF failures, JSpecMax, and with one of the the failures happening with the stock air box in place I have to think that your install technique may be more of the reason why your MAF failed. I have been told to handle the MAF very delicately when installing intake. If you did not, there may lie the reason why your MAF failed.
Thats whats weird - I installed the tenzo-r intake with no problems or incidents whatsoever. The trouble happened roughly 6 months after install. I then put the stock box back in to avoid trouble from the dealer. They then put in a new MAF sensor, and the car was fine for about 2 weeks. Then, just as out of the blue as the first malfunction, the MAF sensor went again. The second failure followed the Infiniti factory install. Id hope they know how to install a MAF sensor correctly.
07-28-2002, 02:07 PM
#68
Re: Re: Who here does NOT have an intake?
Originally posted by ford5litre
No... box stock... those intakes suck in hot air..less power.
No... box stock... those intakes suck in hot air..less power.
07-28-2002, 03:01 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Who here does NOT have an intake?
Originally posted by kloogy
As a former 5 liter guy myself, I would expect a more enlightened opinion from you. Use the search feature, and check the Dyno numbers... before you spew out a comment like that.
As a former 5 liter guy myself, I would expect a more enlightened opinion from you. Use the search feature, and check the Dyno numbers... before you spew out a comment like that.
On the other hand...I didn't stop to think about the intake in the sense of upper and lower intakes (as in Holley, Trickflow, Cobra, etc..). I was thinking about the add on parts that get installed before the MAF meter.
Question: What kinds of wheel HP do these intakes get a 2002 maxima?
07-28-2002, 05:14 PM
#71
Originally posted by maximadriven
I guess if a replacement MAF wasnt so expensive I would just put it on and go with it but a 500.00 repair wouldnt be cool right now.
I guess if a replacement MAF wasnt so expensive I would just put it on and go with it but a 500.00 repair wouldnt be cool right now.
charlie
07-28-2002, 05:55 PM
#73
I never upgraded my intake on my 89 Mustang, and was able to squueze some nice 12's out of it. I think the reason it's such a big issue on the Maxxes , is that its one of the few mods available, in particular for 2K2's...!
If we had a large choice of aftermarket upgrades, Cams, ECU's, Intake Manifolds, Throttle bodies, Heads.. ETC, then no one would be arguing about a 2-5 hp difference.
If we had a large choice of aftermarket upgrades, Cams, ECU's, Intake Manifolds, Throttle bodies, Heads.. ETC, then no one would be arguing about a 2-5 hp difference.
07-28-2002, 06:26 PM
#74
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Originally posted by kloogy
I never upgraded my intake on my 89 Mustang, and was able to squueze some nice 12's out of it. I think the reason it's such a big issue on the Maxxes , is that its one of the few mods available, in particular for 2K2's...!
If we had a large choice of aftermarket upgrades, Cams, ECU's, Intake Manifolds, Throttle bodies, Heads.. ETC, then no one would be arguing about a 2-5 hp difference.
I never upgraded my intake on my 89 Mustang, and was able to squueze some nice 12's out of it. I think the reason it's such a big issue on the Maxxes , is that its one of the few mods available, in particular for 2K2's...!
If we had a large choice of aftermarket upgrades, Cams, ECU's, Intake Manifolds, Throttle bodies, Heads.. ETC, then no one would be arguing about a 2-5 hp difference.
Any near-stock Maximas in the 12's?
07-28-2002, 06:59 PM
#75
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Originally posted by CharlieNewbieMax
it's a $62.50 fix. The sensor is all u need. $500 fix includes the whole pipe assembly(not needed), Labor, and reseting the ECU(which according to another member, is not needed. The ECU adapts itself to the new sensor automatically). Do a search on MAF and you should find that a member who had a bad MAF replaced the sensor and he's back on the road again with no SES light. MAF - Part number:22680-AD210, Discription: Meter Assy. www.courtesynissan.com
charlie
it's a $62.50 fix. The sensor is all u need. $500 fix includes the whole pipe assembly(not needed), Labor, and reseting the ECU(which according to another member, is not needed. The ECU adapts itself to the new sensor automatically). Do a search on MAF and you should find that a member who had a bad MAF replaced the sensor and he's back on the road again with no SES light. MAF - Part number:22680-AD210, Discription: Meter Assy. www.courtesynissan.com
charlie
07-28-2002, 11:13 PM
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ok i was talking to the dealership about a CAI they said they could do it for $400 on my 2k2 6spd. they said the reason it was so much is because they had to reprogram the computer. they also said they would cover it under warrenty. is that to much to pay or should i go ahead and do it?
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07-28-2002, 11:23 PM
#77
Originally posted by ford5litre
12's are dang respectable! What mods did you have? I'll bet it was a notch back.
Any near-stock Maximas in the 12's?
12's are dang respectable! What mods did you have? I'll bet it was a notch back.
Any near-stock Maximas in the 12's?
07-28-2002, 11:25 PM
#78
Originally posted by jrflanman
ok i was talking to the dealership about a CAI they said they could do it for $400 on my 2k2 6spd. they said the reason it was so much is because they had to reprogram the computer. they also said they would cover it under warrenty. is that to much to pay or should i go ahead and do it?
ok i was talking to the dealership about a CAI they said they could do it for $400 on my 2k2 6spd. they said the reason it was so much is because they had to reprogram the computer. they also said they would cover it under warrenty. is that to much to pay or should i go ahead and do it?
07-29-2002, 06:40 AM
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Ah, there goes the streak of mostly agreeing with you...
Originally posted by y2kse
The reasons people will not purchase an aftermarket intake for the Maxima are summed up nicely by jjs. Let's look at each of his objections once again and see if we can discover their underlying causes.
i.e., you're afraid.
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i.e., you're uninformed.
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i.e., you like Camrys.
For those who are willing to assume some risk (albeit small), inform themselves, and accept an increase in noise for an increase in power, I'd recommend that you install an aftermarket intake and enjoy the ride! [/B]
The reasons people will not purchase an aftermarket intake for the Maxima are summed up nicely by jjs. Let's look at each of his objections once again and see if we can discover their underlying causes.
i.e., you're afraid.
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i.e., you're uninformed.
[/b]
i.e., you like Camrys.
For those who are willing to assume some risk (albeit small), inform themselves, and accept an increase in noise for an increase in power, I'd recommend that you install an aftermarket intake and enjoy the ride! [/B]
1. not afraid, just don't feel like wasting my time swapping crap in and out should something go wrong, nor do I feel like needlessly spending $$$ to replace parts, AND
2. nope, I have read and researched. I did not say there were NO performance gains, just that they are 'so called' since much of intake gain could easily be offset by ambient conditions and driver skill. I mean the average of .2 sec over a 1/4 mile (reaching the mid to high 90 mph zone) is hardly a real world daily driver gain to me
3. absolutely not! Some of us just like understated performance. For instance, I would really like a 540 but would hate a loud one.
You go ahead and enjoy the intake, to each his own...