Hey guys, what do you think about the Eaton S/C ? to be honest I'm thinking to build a S/C for my max weither I buy the Vortech V2 for 1800$ or what do you guys think of a Eaton S/C, I think it's feasable to fit that unit in our car, of course many custom parts will have to be made, which unit you think is the best, I should get some pricing on Eaton S/C today.

Cheers

AA

 

What about a Powerdyne unit? They don't need oil lines run to 'em.

Stereodude

 

Eaton Superchargers are roots blowers.. which means at one point when you start raising the boost you start loosing power.. unlike the Vortech unit which is Centrifugal and is simular to a Turbo and you can raise the boost and the hp still climbs

 

try ati procharger or paxton novi 1000.. i wouldnt' recomend powerdyne unless you want to run 9lbs max.

 

how long is it going to take you to install some components?

 

The Stillen SC is proven and well tested to work up to 12lbs of boost (maybe more). Why spend more money testing other SCs? It'd be nice to have options, but why bother when option 1 is good?

 

what components??? or which components?

 

your sig pic

 

well i figured that i've had em' for over a year now, maybe in two years??? hehe actually i plan to put them in september after i get my car back from the body shop..
i still need to fabricate some kick panels for the front mids and tweets and a baffle for the doors so i could fit the midbass in them, and i'm just going to stuff the 165w two way system in the back doors. i'm trying to work on something else

 

 

dangit i can't sleep... i guess i'll try to test fit the speakers for the billionth time.

 

how's this look? http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...98_23_full.jpg
ideally i would want to dash mount everything but i'm affraid i might mess up, and i don't want to lose the driver and passenger side defroster vents.

 

I really don't like kick panels.. i am old fashion i like my door mounts ..

 

you think it'de sound better if i stick everything in the doors?? i can't really angle the mids without making the door panel look weird tho... i also think there's not enough airspace to run the midbass in there + the mids.

 

mine sound pretty good for me.. i think its all in the components you buy.. not really the angle.. i mean.. imagine quarts in kick panels.. the tweeters would kill you

 

what do you mean by kill me?? would they sound brighter if they were mounted in the kicks??? i always had the impression that tweets sound alot brighter when mounted high above either in the door pannel close to the side view mirrors or in the a-pillars. i'm just woried bout imaging. i plan to compete in the sq+ category in the near future.

 

whta components you looking at?

 

i have focal utopia 165w3 three way components in the front and 165w two ways for the rears. i'm running audio control eqt concert series eqs for the front, and all this is being powered by a ppi pc4800 amp backed up by a phoenix gold powercore 15farad capacitor.

 

--You do not start losing power by raising the boost. You will get out of its effeciancy range and will get diminishing returns.

It is a great blower, if you can make it fit, you will gain gobs of low end power.

--Ray

 

How did this post go from S/C to mingo's stereo?

 

i think it would be a lil dangerous to run that blower on our cars even if it could be made to fit because of the extra heat it generates.

 

sorry.... i guess we threadjacked this thread.

 

i have seen the hype over focal's.. but never actually heard them

 

Then why does every car manufacturer use this blower when they make a blown car (Ford, Mazda, GM, Nissan, Mercedes, BMW) this is a proven design. Did you ever see how much heat a Vortech makes?? You could cook your dinner on it. All superchargers generate heat. It is a byproduct of compression.

You could probably run about 10psi with one of those blowers.


--Ray

 

that is very true, however wiht the centrifugal type blowers an intercooler can be added when the someone decides to up the boost. but it's hard to do that with a roots type blower because it sits on the manifold, actually becomes part of the intake manifold. but then again you're right, alot ofcar manufactures use this blower. it is a very reputable company and i trust the quality of it, however i woulnd't trust the vq30de motor with it.. so understand that i'm not saying that the eaton is a bad blower, i'm just saying our motors might be shortlived with the presence of the eaton blower.

 

You would be fine with it unless you try to run too much boost. Ford uses an intercooled version for the Cobra and Lightning. On late 80's Mustangs, the unit mounted in the same position as a vortech and used the stock intake manifolds, but was not intercooled.

--Ray

 

i guess i'm wrong about the intercooling thing then.. i thot all the roots blowers replaced stock manifolds.. i guess i didn't know that because i've never looked too far into them. i personally favor centrifugal type blowers because of how easy it is to modify. (i'm not talking about just switching pulleys) and it's alot cheaper to modify as opposed to roots type blowers.

 

Ok, guys I didn't though I would have so much answers, but let do another run: You now know I can get the Vortech V2 for 1800$ or maybe less, just for the blower, so I know this option is prolly the easiest one to make since Stillen make a kit for 3755$( dont get me wrong S/C is no joke to install ) but I want to build something strong and reliable, for the boost, I always think in order to not blow the engine it's better to stay under 10Lbs of boost unless you want to spend top $$$. If I cant get my max near 280 -300hp, I would be satisfy for now, cuz I want boost but dont want to blow the engine, not yet, which intercooler would you suggest ?

Thanks for your input, maybe we are not far away of having another boost option for our max, if I can successfully make the prototype then I will be willing to either sell the kit for the best price possible or to give you the plan so you can make one for your own.

What would be the best Supercharger to start with ?

Vortech - Eaton - any idea where I can direct my research.

Thanks again for your incredible inputs.

Cheers

AA

 

spearco intercoolers is a good start.. i believe u can start by going to www.procharger.com www.paxton.com and any mustang forum.

 

Hey Mingo, www.paxton.com this is a transport company, maybe there the one who will bring me the S/C I will search anyway for paxton.

Cheers

AA

 

If you can afford to custom do the eaton, i'd say go for that over the vortech. roots type blowers (especially the good quality eaton), make insane amounts of low down torque. Lets say you have an eaton, and another max has the vortech, and you guys both put out 280 whp. you will destroy the other max because you have will 40-50 ft./lbs more torque. With the vortech blower you see max's running 280 hp, 245 tq. Stock GTP's, which have the eaton blower, run 240 hp, 280 tq - and the tq climbs while they mod it out. It makes almost as much torque as nitrous.

As for putting the eaton roots type on the max, i'm no mechanic by any means - but that blower has been put on hundreds of different engines. And our VQ seems a lot more bullet proof than most of those. The heat wouldn't be that much more of an issue than with vortech, and as long as you don't raise boost to crazy high numbers, you'd be fine on stock internals and whatnot (IMHO).

The main thign with the eaton is, getting it to fit, b/c there's not a lot of room in our motors between the intake manifold and the hood. Might have to do a custom hood or something - but either way, thats where the main challenge is going to come from, and probably why no one has ever tried the roots blower on the VQ before. Cuz it'll be a lot of time and money getting it to fit.

But man, that'd be cool if it could...

 

ooops so sorry
http://www.paxtonauto.com/

 

Hey guys, I just spoke with Eric at, http://www.magnusonproducts.com/ he was very nice and cooperative, he suggested we use th MP62 S/C, but then the tricky questions come:

1- What side the actuator should go, right or left ?

2- What position we want the actuator to point ( there is 6 positions available )

3- He also mention something about the vacuum, I think they need to know where it will hook, he said there is 3 ways, sorry for this one but I couldn't understand what he means.

4- The price can vary from 1185$ to 1485$, it will depend on the answer I will give him.

Because I'm on vacation for the next 10days, I will spend some time trying to answer those questions before I can order the unit and have the right one. If anyone is willing to give Eric a call and be shure we dont miss anything that will be much appreciate and because english is my second language there is few things that I missed while talking with the guys. Just so you know I'm willing to share all the infos and contact with you guy, I'm very serious about doin it and I will do it, unless impossible but I just cant think of that last option.

MAGNUSON PRODUCTS
3172 Bunsen Ave; Unit K
Ventura, CA 93003
Ph (805) 642-8833

P.S: If someone is interested in helping gethering the infos you can contact me at home 514-644-0261 or e-mail me at:
dblea@videotron.ca

Thanks again for all your inputs and advises.

AA

 

Hey Ironlord, the SC is actually fairly small about 4-5 inch thick and around 9 inches wide, fitting doesn't seem to be the worst of all, I will have to custom build the inlet and outlet that connect to the supercharger and the trottle body.

Thanks again for your input.

Cheers

AA

 

That is great news! I've never actually looked into it, but always heard on the .org that a roots wouldn't fit under a max hood. i gues i assumed and took it for granted, and look where that got me. I hope everything works out, i know if i was getting blown I'd much rather have a roots type...

 

would be to get an old or used intake manifold from a 4th generation Maxima and somehow make it fit on the manifold like how the TRD EATON SC is for the Camry. Does anyone know if the 4th generation intake manifold would fit on a 5th gen ???

 

Why not get a custom hood while you're at it, that would make space for the S/C.

 

btt

 

yeah......maybe some aftermarket company will come out with a mean yet tasteful cowled hood for the maxima....not cowl induction, you cynical rice haters(im one of them)... but a nice bulged hood with maybe some appropriate heat holes or vents.....yeah.....keep us posted AA.

 

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