Is the 2k2 the fastest fwd car available??
08-09-2002, 03:16 PM
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Is the 2k2 the fastest fwd car available??
Off hand I can't think of a stock fwd car that is faster (excluding the 02 Alti--tie). The only others would be the Saab 9-3 Viggen,Volvo S60 T6, and CL-S but I think a 2k2 6speed is still a little quicker. Is there anything that's faster?
08-09-2002, 03:41 PM
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Re: Is the 2k2 the fastest fwd car available??
i agree, although in my opinion, the cl-s/max race will come down to the driver, so long as they both have the same transmissions.
Originally posted by Jaws
Off hand I can't think of a stock fwd car that is faster (excluding the 02 Alti--tie). The only others would be the Saab 9-3 Viggen,Volvo S60 T6, and CL-S but I think a 2k2 6speed is still a little quicker. Is there anything that's faster?
Off hand I can't think of a stock fwd car that is faster (excluding the 02 Alti--tie). The only others would be the Saab 9-3 Viggen,Volvo S60 T6, and CL-S but I think a 2k2 6speed is still a little quicker. Is there anything that's faster?
08-09-2002, 04:03 PM
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Re: Re: Is the 2k2 the fastest fwd car available??
Originally posted by Young04
i agree, although in my opinion, the cl-s/max race will come down to the driver, so long as they both have the same transmissions.
i agree, although in my opinion, the cl-s/max race will come down to the driver, so long as they both have the same transmissions.
And Honda RSX type-s they're pretty fast.
I don't know 2k2 Maxs are fast but mostly it comes down to the driver.
08-09-2002, 05:13 PM
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It is probably a good bet, but since a FWD car is generally a disadvantage when it comes to performance, I'm not sure this is such a great stat to have listed.
Fastest FWD Car is kind of like saying the best-looking ugly car.
Fastest FWD Car is kind of like saying the best-looking ugly car.
08-09-2002, 05:40 PM
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I'd say that the 2k2 max is one of the fastest NA FWD cards around.
IMHO, I think it's good to ask this question about what is the fastest FWD car. Someone mentioned at it's like asking what is the best looking ugliest car? Well, I feel it's kind of like having different categories in drag racing. Normally Aspirated and Turbo/NOS. If they were all in the same category, then the worlds fastest car would have turbo/NOS; it wouldn't be fair. So, same thing goes for wondering about FWD cars - the world's fastest car would be RWD.
Not trying to flame or anything, but just wanted to backup what this thread started.
IMHO, I think it's good to ask this question about what is the fastest FWD car. Someone mentioned at it's like asking what is the best looking ugliest car? Well, I feel it's kind of like having different categories in drag racing. Normally Aspirated and Turbo/NOS. If they were all in the same category, then the worlds fastest car would have turbo/NOS; it wouldn't be fair. So, same thing goes for wondering about FWD cars - the world's fastest car would be RWD.
Not trying to flame or anything, but just wanted to backup what this thread started.
08-09-2002, 05:48 PM
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I'd say that the 2k2 max is one of the fastest NA FWD cards around.
IMHO, I think it's good to ask this question about what is the fastest FWD car. Someone mentioned at it's like asking what is the best looking ugliest car? Well, I feel it's kind of like having different categories in drag racing. Normally Aspirated and Turbo/NOS. If they were all in the same category, then the worlds fastest car would have turbo/NOS; it wouldn't be fair. So, same thing goes for wondering about FWD cars - the world's fastest car would be RWD.
Not trying to flame or anything, but just wanted to backup what this thread started.
I'd say that the 2k2 max is one of the fastest NA FWD cards around.
IMHO, I think it's good to ask this question about what is the fastest FWD car. Someone mentioned at it's like asking what is the best looking ugliest car? Well, I feel it's kind of like having different categories in drag racing. Normally Aspirated and Turbo/NOS. If they were all in the same category, then the worlds fastest car would have turbo/NOS; it wouldn't be fair. So, same thing goes for wondering about FWD cars - the world's fastest car would be RWD.
Not trying to flame or anything, but just wanted to backup what this thread started.
2. Cars like the Dodge Viper and several Ferrari's make your assertion that the fastest cars would have turbo not necessarily true.
3. That wasn't a flame.
4. #5 is a flame.
5. Saying you have the fastest FWD car is like saying you have the most beautiful iguana on your block.
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08-09-2002, 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by soundmike
Who's fastest? They all are since they all can reach speeds up to 140mph.
Now as for who's quickest, *that* should be the question.
Who's fastest? They all are since they all can reach speeds up to 140mph.
Now as for who's quickest, *that* should be the question.
08-09-2002, 07:24 PM
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I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
The Maxima 2K2 6speed is probably the fastest current stock FWD. But look at what's coming down the pike:
- Pontiac Grand Prix G-Force (S/C 280hp/280lb-ft/85g skidpad)
- 2003 Neon SRT-4 (with 205hp and a turbo, it may windup being the quickest stock FWD car ever in production w/ <6 second 0-60 times)
- VW Golf R32 (240hp/236lb-ft 3.2L V6 152mph topend) Only in Germany...for now
As for current/past production models, here's a few worthy of mention:
- Integra Type R (out of production/RSX-R to come)
- Seville STS
- Volvo T5R (out of production-but SICK fast out the showroom!!)
- Acura CL-S (particularly the 6speed model)
- Alt 3.5SE 5speed
- Grand Prix GTX/Buick Regal GS
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- Pontiac Grand Prix G-Force (S/C 280hp/280lb-ft/85g skidpad)
- 2003 Neon SRT-4 (with 205hp and a turbo, it may windup being the quickest stock FWD car ever in production w/ <6 second 0-60 times)
- VW Golf R32 (240hp/236lb-ft 3.2L V6 152mph topend) Only in Germany...for now
As for current/past production models, here's a few worthy of mention:
- Integra Type R (out of production/RSX-R to come)
- Seville STS
- Volvo T5R (out of production-but SICK fast out the showroom!!)
- Acura CL-S (particularly the 6speed model)
- Alt 3.5SE 5speed
- Grand Prix GTX/Buick Regal GS
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08-09-2002, 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelAE
2. Cars like the Dodge Viper and several Ferrari's make your assertion that the fastest cars would have turbo not necessarily true.
2. Cars like the Dodge Viper and several Ferrari's make your assertion that the fastest cars would have turbo not necessarily true.
example, S2000 and Altezza are both NA but running over 200hp underhood with a small 2-liter engine. 350z and other nissans will be pure NA car, even the skyline (G35).
08-09-2002, 10:41 PM
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is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
08-09-2002, 10:46 PM
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It's a comparo of FWD cars, irregardless of class/luxury/price/options/brand/etc.
Originally posted by 2k2.6spd
is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
08-09-2002, 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by 2k2.6spd
is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
08-10-2002, 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by 2k2.6spd
is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
is it me or did that last post make NO sense... the rsx type s runs mid to low 15's so take that off the list, the pontiac is nice but how much? and does it have the mix of luxury and sport that the max does ?..why compare a 50 k plus caddillac to a max... i think that in the price range, and for the luxury you get, the max is the best fwd car you can buy.
08-12-2002, 05:43 PM
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I just want to say again that if you ask anyone what is the fastest car, I will bet you anything that it will be a RWD car. So, for us FWD car owners, if we EVER want a chance at being the fastest or quickest car, we have to ask "What is the fastest FWD car".
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08-12-2002, 09:00 PM
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Would a stock 2k1 SE Auto do well against the Saab 93 Viggen? Seems like that thing is fast based on Saab's website. There is some guy in my school that has one and I wasn't sure if I should race him. That Viggen does have really nice looking rims too.
Oh what abou the new eclipse GTS? I dunno if I should try him neither.
Oh what abou the new eclipse GTS? I dunno if I should try him neither.
08-12-2002, 09:13 PM
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Fastest refers to top speed.
Quickest refers to acceleration.
Grand Prix GTPs are limited to 126 stock, so if we are talking stock, I know a Max is faster than that. Take out the limiter and it's close. However, there are a lot of GTPs in the 12s (most without nitrous) and at least one in the 11s without nitrous. So, this question should really be more specific for a specific answer to "THE" fastest question. I also assume that you are talking daily drivers here and not gutted out FWD race cars.
Quickest refers to acceleration.
Grand Prix GTPs are limited to 126 stock, so if we are talking stock, I know a Max is faster than that. Take out the limiter and it's close. However, there are a lot of GTPs in the 12s (most without nitrous) and at least one in the 11s without nitrous. So, this question should really be more specific for a specific answer to "THE" fastest question. I also assume that you are talking daily drivers here and not gutted out FWD race cars.
08-13-2002, 06:20 AM
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Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by F23A4
The Maxima 2K2 6speed is probably the fastest current stock FWD.
- 2003 Neon SRT-4 (with 205hp and a turbo, it may windup being the quickest stock FWD car ever in production w/ <6 second 0-60 times)
The Maxima 2K2 6speed is probably the fastest current stock FWD.
- 2003 Neon SRT-4 (with 205hp and a turbo, it may windup being the quickest stock FWD car ever in production w/ <6 second 0-60 times)
There are still a few of them kicking around!
08-13-2002, 12:24 PM
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THey just tested the new V6 accord in C/D and M/T
The car and driver test now that im looking at it is just and estimate. THeir estimate 0-60 7.5-8.9, and est. 1/4 is 15.8-17.0.
Motor trend really did test it. 0-60 6.57, 0-100 17.14, 1/4 14.98@94.95
So can they beat the maxima? I'd say nope. THey cant even beat the Altima. Although test conditions could be a factor.
Motor trend really did test it. 0-60 6.57, 0-100 17.14, 1/4 14.98@94.95
So can they beat the maxima? I'd say nope. THey cant even beat the Altima. Although test conditions could be a factor.
08-13-2002, 12:35 PM
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Re: THey just tested the new V6 accord in C/D and M/T
Originally posted by 95/2k2:6Maxima
The car and driver test now that im looking at it is just and estimate. THeir estimate 0-60 7.5-8.9, and est. 1/4 is 15.8-17.0.
Motor trend really did test it. 0-60 6.57, 0-100 17.14, 1/4 14.98@94.95
So can they beat the maxima? I'd say nope. THey cant even beat the Altima. Although test conditions could be a factor.
The car and driver test now that im looking at it is just and estimate. THeir estimate 0-60 7.5-8.9, and est. 1/4 is 15.8-17.0.
Motor trend really did test it. 0-60 6.57, 0-100 17.14, 1/4 14.98@94.95
So can they beat the maxima? I'd say nope. THey cant even beat the Altima. Although test conditions could be a factor.
08-13-2002, 01:23 PM
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Re: Re: THey just tested the new V6 accord in C/D and M/T
Originally posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
That was the auto bud, the Coupe is coming out with a 6 spd manual did you read the post (if th eauto is putting down those type of times what does that say for the manual?), they also talk about the coupe in Motor Trend?
That was the auto bud, the Coupe is coming out with a 6 spd manual did you read the post (if th eauto is putting down those type of times what does that say for the manual?), they also talk about the coupe in Motor Trend?
08-13-2002, 01:27 PM
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Re: Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by madmax2k
Dodge already managed a sub 6 second 0-60 FWD car 11 years ago!
There are still a few of them kicking around!
Dodge already managed a sub 6 second 0-60 FWD car 11 years ago!
There are still a few of them kicking around!
08-13-2002, 04:03 PM
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Re: Re: Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by Jaws
Which Dodge are you refering to? The Omni GLH,Shelby Charger or the Daytona IROC? I don't recall that any of those were sub 6 second 0-60 cars right from the dealer.
Which Dodge are you refering to? The Omni GLH,Shelby Charger or the Daytona IROC? I don't recall that any of those were sub 6 second 0-60 cars right from the dealer.
08-13-2002, 06:11 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by 95/2k2:6Maxima
There was the Spirit R/T whith 3.5L. I think they advertised it as a 5.8 second 0-60.
There was the Spirit R/T whith 3.5L. I think they advertised it as a 5.8 second 0-60.
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08-13-2002, 06:38 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by Amazing2
Are you talking about the 1991-92 Dodge Spirit R/T? If so, it had a 2.2L 16V Turbo.
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Are you talking about the 1991-92 Dodge Spirit R/T? If so, it had a 2.2L 16V Turbo.
http://www.pinnaclecda.com/images/Gu..._Spirit_RT.JPG
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08-13-2002, 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Amazing2
Are you talking about the 1991-92 Dodge Spirit R/T? If so, it had a 2.2L 16V Turbo.
http://www.pinnaclecda.com/images/Gu..._Spirit_RT.JPG
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Are you talking about the 1991-92 Dodge Spirit R/T? If so, it had a 2.2L 16V Turbo.
http://www.pinnaclecda.com/images/Gu..._Spirit_RT.JPG
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and look it has the same claimed top speed as the 2000 maxima 142mph! Wow-ey
08-13-2002, 07:28 PM
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I think it was Car & Driver that produced a 5.8 second 0-60 time, with a preproduction model. As I understand, most owners were able to extract about a 6.5 seconds+ time out of it. This makes it a hair slower than the Shelby CSX (Shadow) and Daytona IROC R/T.
Sidebar: Dodge went turbo around that time (circa late 80s-early 90s) with the Spirit R/T, Shelby CSX, Shadow/Sundance Turbo, Colt GT Turbo (aka Mitsu Mirage Turbo), Daytona, Laser RS (aka Mitsu Eclipse GS-T), Stealth R/T (aka Mitsu 3000GT VR-4).
Sidebar: Dodge went turbo around that time (circa late 80s-early 90s) with the Spirit R/T, Shelby CSX, Shadow/Sundance Turbo, Colt GT Turbo (aka Mitsu Mirage Turbo), Daytona, Laser RS (aka Mitsu Eclipse GS-T), Stealth R/T (aka Mitsu 3000GT VR-4).
08-13-2002, 08:17 PM
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Saab Viggen is also >>>>
very quick 0-60 times in the high 5's to low 6 secs. Top speed is limited to around 140+ but can be made to go above that., IMHO they are very nice cars especially a blue one. They are also easily modded with a chip, extra boost, they can easily make 300 hp !!!!
08-14-2002, 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by F23A4
I think it was Car & Driver that produced a 5.8 second 0-60 time, with a preproduction model. As I understand, most owners were able to extract about a 6.5 seconds+ time out of it.
I think it was Car & Driver that produced a 5.8 second 0-60 time, with a preproduction model. As I understand, most owners were able to extract about a 6.5 seconds+ time out of it.
08-14-2002, 05:22 AM
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Re: Re: Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by Jaws
Which Dodge are you refering to? The Omni GLH,Shelby Charger or the Daytona IROC? I don't recall that any of those were sub 6 second 0-60 cars right from the dealer.
Which Dodge are you refering to? The Omni GLH,Shelby Charger or the Daytona IROC? I don't recall that any of those were sub 6 second 0-60 cars right from the dealer.
Of course, Im sure, just like all other road tests, some magazines will show 0-60 in 7.x seconds, while others will show 5.x.
08-14-2002, 05:30 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I assume you're referring to overall quickness rather than topend.
Originally posted by Maxima06071
But that ad advertises it at a 0-60 equaling 6.5seconds and a 15.2sec quatermile time. Not really the fastest. and look it has the same claimed top speed as the 2000 maxima 142mph! Wow-ey
But that ad advertises it at a 0-60 equaling 6.5seconds and a 15.2sec quatermile time. Not really the fastest.
and look it has the same claimed top speed as the 2000 maxima 142mph! Wow-ey
To put it in perspective, the 1991 Spirit R/T (at 13 psi boost rather than the factory 11 psi) pulled my 2000 Max (with CAI and Y-pipe) about 4 cars in the space of about 2500 rpm worth of 3rd gear. (From about 3000 to 5500 rpm). It only gets worse from there.
In short:
In first gear, its fairly even. In 2nd gear, the R/T starts pulling away, and in 3rd, the massacre starts. In 4th gear, forget it...the R/T is long gone.
On the same dyno, the Max (with CAI and Y-pipe) made around 205 whp / 193 w ft lb. At 13 psi boost (2 psi more than stock) and an exhaust, the R/T laid down 257 whp / 277 w ft lb. It also weighs about 200 lb less than the Max, So its pretty clear whats going to happen in a drag race.
Dont get me wrong, I love the Max, but in the real world, it just cant keep up with the R/T in an all out drag race.
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08-14-2002, 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by F23A4
Sidebar: Dodge went turbo around that time (circa late 80s-early 90s) with the Spirit R/T, Shelby CSX, Shadow/Sundance Turbo, Colt GT Turbo (aka Mitsu Mirage Turbo), Daytona, Laser RS (aka Mitsu Eclipse GS-T), Stealth R/T (aka Mitsu 3000GT VR-4).
Sidebar: Dodge went turbo around that time (circa late 80s-early 90s) with the Spirit R/T, Shelby CSX, Shadow/Sundance Turbo, Colt GT Turbo (aka Mitsu Mirage Turbo), Daytona, Laser RS (aka Mitsu Eclipse GS-T), Stealth R/T (aka Mitsu 3000GT VR-4).