A couple '02 trani questions...
08-27-2002, 12:16 PM
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A couple '02 trani questions...
A few months ago I graduated from a white '89 SE w/ 230K miles to an '02 Sterling Mist SE. Unfortunately, it's a wife-o-matic. But I really like the car. Very glad I didn't get the Altima!
Anyway, occasionally I get the trani slippage between 1st and 2nd gear. From all of the posts I've read, this appears to be a known issue only with the '00 Max's. Allegedly, this problem has been cured in the '02 Max's. Are there other '02 owners who are also getting the dreaded slip? Have you gotten it fixed. How?
Finally, moving the shift lever out of park very difficult. Even when parked on a perfectly level surface. It feels like it would if you had parked on a steep incline and didn't use the parking brake. It will do this even if you stop the car put it in Park and then immediately try to shift out of park while the brake is on. Anyone else experience this? Any known fixes? Any advice before I approach the dealer?
Thanks.
Anyway, occasionally I get the trani slippage between 1st and 2nd gear. From all of the posts I've read, this appears to be a known issue only with the '00 Max's. Allegedly, this problem has been cured in the '02 Max's. Are there other '02 owners who are also getting the dreaded slip? Have you gotten it fixed. How?
Finally, moving the shift lever out of park very difficult. Even when parked on a perfectly level surface. It feels like it would if you had parked on a steep incline and didn't use the parking brake. It will do this even if you stop the car put it in Park and then immediately try to shift out of park while the brake is on. Anyone else experience this? Any known fixes? Any advice before I approach the dealer?
Thanks.
08-27-2002, 12:25 PM
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For me in my '02 the dreaded "slip" happens right between 40 and 50 mph, anywhere else its fine. The dealership has no solution, if you find one please let me know. Otherwise the car is awesome! (Never had the shifter problem though.)
08-27-2002, 12:50 PM
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It's an automatic (wife-o-matic) and it is the classic slip described elsewhere.
For example, when accelerating quickly from a stop the trani won't shift quickly and confidently into 2nd. Instead it will hesitate and the RPM's will go way up and then it will finally get around to shifting into 2nd.
For example, when accelerating quickly from a stop the trani won't shift quickly and confidently into 2nd. Instead it will hesitate and the RPM's will go way up and then it will finally get around to shifting into 2nd.
08-27-2002, 01:17 PM
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Mine used to have the same thing during the first couple of thousand miles. Now it's pretty crisp and clean (12k mi.)
Anyway, if you hear a whirring noise between gears (point of shifting) then your transmission is slipping. Otherwise it's just the delay of shifting common among auto's.
Anyway, if you hear a whirring noise between gears (point of shifting) then your transmission is slipping. Otherwise it's just the delay of shifting common among auto's.
08-27-2002, 06:25 PM
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Re: A couple '02 trani questions...
Originally posted by SquidBeak
Finally, moving the shift lever out of park very difficult. Even when parked on a perfectly level surface. It feels like it would if you had parked on a steep incline and didn't use the parking brake. It will do this even if you stop the car put it in Park and then immediately try to shift out of park while the brake is on. Anyone else experience this? Any known fixes? Any advice before I approach the dealer?
Thanks.
Finally, moving the shift lever out of park very difficult. Even when parked on a perfectly level surface. It feels like it would if you had parked on a steep incline and didn't use the parking brake. It will do this even if you stop the car put it in Park and then immediately try to shift out of park while the brake is on. Anyone else experience this? Any known fixes? Any advice before I approach the dealer?
Thanks.
08-27-2002, 06:49 PM
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I am not too familiar with how the auto tranni works, but there might be a mechanical linkage for brake release to shift out of park. Tell the dealer to check it out and it might be adjustable.
As for the slippage, I'd say that it might take time for the transmission to adjust to your style of driving (and thus explains why it will get better after a few thousand miles). It's the adaptive software crap. If people tend to punch it from a stop light, and cause high RPM shifts (all the time), then the shift at higher RPM will be optimized (feels crisp or whatever). If you only do it once in a while, it might never adjust itself and thus you will have the feeling of "slippage".
If the transmission tends to slip all the time at the same driving conditions...you have a problem.
Just some thoughts...
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As for the slippage, I'd say that it might take time for the transmission to adjust to your style of driving (and thus explains why it will get better after a few thousand miles). It's the adaptive software crap. If people tend to punch it from a stop light, and cause high RPM shifts (all the time), then the shift at higher RPM will be optimized (feels crisp or whatever). If you only do it once in a while, it might never adjust itself and thus you will have the feeling of "slippage".
If the transmission tends to slip all the time at the same driving conditions...you have a problem.
Just some thoughts...
Green
08-27-2002, 09:03 PM
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I know these tranny's are computer controlled, but still, I would confirm all vacuum lines (if any) are connected and in good condition. Also, I would consider draining tranny and replacing filter. It could be a low vacuum issue or it could be a low fluid pressure issue causing these symptoms.
08-28-2002, 09:24 AM
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ABS, I'm inclined to think you're on the right track.
Hopefully, I can get a dealer to take me seriously enough to thoroughly check it out and do a complete trani flush and filter replacement...or maybe perform the same changes they perform for '00 trani TSB.
The thing I don't want him to do is take the car out and do a whole bunch of hard launches to get it to slip.
Hopefully, I can get a dealer to take me seriously enough to thoroughly check it out and do a complete trani flush and filter replacement...or maybe perform the same changes they perform for '00 trani TSB.
The thing I don't want him to do is take the car out and do a whole bunch of hard launches to get it to slip.
08-28-2002, 09:58 AM
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not exactly... hanging/delay is one thing, slip is another. You should have *no* rise in RPM (at least nothing you would see on the gauge as a jump).
If you are slipping, there is a problem in the solenoids or your clutches are shot. Solenoids are a 1 hour fix and as long as you dont let the slip keep happening, you can continue on without too much fear of a later failure.
If you let the slip keep happening, you'll be making metal eventually and the whole tranny will need to be done.
btw, the most obvious cause is low fluid (leaks and incorrectly filled can happen from the factory). I assume you've checked that.
If you are slipping, there is a problem in the solenoids or your clutches are shot. Solenoids are a 1 hour fix and as long as you dont let the slip keep happening, you can continue on without too much fear of a later failure.
If you let the slip keep happening, you'll be making metal eventually and the whole tranny will need to be done.
btw, the most obvious cause is low fluid (leaks and incorrectly filled can happen from the factory). I assume you've checked that.
08-28-2002, 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by TimW
the most obvious cause is low fluid (leaks and incorrectly filled can happen from the factory). I assume you've checked that.
the most obvious cause is low fluid (leaks and incorrectly filled can happen from the factory). I assume you've checked that.
Regardless, I'm sure a complete drain and refill would do nothing but good.
But I'd really like to know if the solenoids & clutches are OK. Can either of these be tested via the computer?
Thanks.
08-28-2002, 05:11 PM
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well, I meant the fill level.
Slipping means at the *very* least solendoids. When they do that work, they drop the pan. They should look for metal. If so, then its new tranny time. They will flush with new ATF.
Slipping means at the *very* least solendoids. When they do that work, they drop the pan. They should look for metal. If so, then its new tranny time. They will flush with new ATF.
09-04-2002, 05:10 PM
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Re: A couple '02 trani questions...
Originally posted by SquidBeak
Finally, moving the shift lever out of park very difficult. Even when parked on a perfectly level surface. It feels like it would if you had parked on a steep incline and didn't use the parking brake. It will do this even if you stop the car put it in Park and then immediately try to shift out of park while the brake is on. Anyone else experience this? Any known fixes? Any advice before I approach the dealer?
Finally, moving the shift lever out of park very difficult. Even when parked on a perfectly level surface. It feels like it would if you had parked on a steep incline and didn't use the parking brake. It will do this even if you stop the car put it in Park and then immediately try to shift out of park while the brake is on. Anyone else experience this? Any known fixes? Any advice before I approach the dealer?
09-05-2002, 06:00 AM
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To TimW, delay question???
Originally posted by TimW
well, I meant the fill level.
Slipping means at the *very* least solendoids. When they do that work, they drop the pan. They should look for metal. If so, then its new tranny time. They will flush with new ATF.
well, I meant the fill level.
Slipping means at the *very* least solendoids. When they do that work, they drop the pan. They should look for metal. If so, then its new tranny time. They will flush with new ATF.
I think my problem (from my previous post) is more of a delay than a slip and it mainly happens between 40-50 mph, it really is quite annoying. I have to take my '02 SE in for 6000 service in the next few weeks, do you know if there is anything the dealer can do for this????
Thanks!
09-05-2002, 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by TimW
well, I meant the fill level.
Slipping means at the *very* least solendoids. When they do that work, they drop the pan. They should look for metal. If so, then its new tranny time. They will flush with new ATF.
well, I meant the fill level.
Slipping means at the *very* least solendoids. When they do that work, they drop the pan. They should look for metal. If so, then its new tranny time. They will flush with new ATF.
I am having a different problem with my auto tranny, and the dealer has been playing dumb since there are no 'error codes' being generated. But I have told him it is getting worse. My problem:
Shifting from 1 to 2 (and sometimes 2 to 3, but less harsh) I have VERY hard shifts. It almost feels like the car is hitting something it is so rough. It almost feels like there is something damaged in the mechanical linkage, but sometimes it is smooth as silk, then I will be coasting from a stop on a green light, low rpms, them BAM, hard shift to second.
Anybody else have this on a 2k2 auto? Would a tranny fluid flush and fill help? I have 12,000 miles on it, and the dealer is right, I have no codes or check engine lights or anything, but it is definitely not right. HELP!
09-05-2002, 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Matthew
Shifting from 1 to 2 (and sometimes 2 to 3, but less harsh) I have VERY hard shifts. It almost feels like the car is hitting something it is so rough. It almost feels like there is something damaged in the mechanical linkage, but sometimes it is smooth as silk, then I will be coasting from a stop on a green light, low rpms, them BAM, hard shift to second.
Shifting from 1 to 2 (and sometimes 2 to 3, but less harsh) I have VERY hard shifts. It almost feels like the car is hitting something it is so rough. It almost feels like there is something damaged in the mechanical linkage, but sometimes it is smooth as silk, then I will be coasting from a stop on a green light, low rpms, them BAM, hard shift to second.
Then, when i drive very enthusiastically for extended periods of time then go back to the boat-like/granny-type driving the shifts feel hard and firm.
My thoughts on it was that the ECU adjusted to my style of driving and, in between, the drastic shift in driving style - the ECU is caught in the middle trying to figure out what my next style would be.
09-05-2002, 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by soundmike
I always thought this was normal. How do i figure that? Well, i noticed that if i drive the Max like a boat (e.g. slow and steady) the shifts get smoother with time and when i try to be more enthusiastic there's a slight delay in shifting.
Then, when i drive very enthusiastically for extended periods of time then go back to the boat-like/granny-type driving the shifts feel hard and firm.
My thoughts on it was that the ECU adjusted to my style of driving and, in between, the drastic shift in driving style - the ECU is caught in the middle trying to figure out what my next style would be.
I always thought this was normal. How do i figure that? Well, i noticed that if i drive the Max like a boat (e.g. slow and steady) the shifts get smoother with time and when i try to be more enthusiastic there's a slight delay in shifting.
Then, when i drive very enthusiastically for extended periods of time then go back to the boat-like/granny-type driving the shifts feel hard and firm.
My thoughts on it was that the ECU adjusted to my style of driving and, in between, the drastic shift in driving style - the ECU is caught in the middle trying to figure out what my next style would be.
09-05-2002, 09:47 AM
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Does it actually make the bang sound? Hmm... i better check my max over the next few days to see if i'm experiencing the same exact thing you are. I normally don't hear anything due to the radio being on and all, but shifts to 2nd is definitely harsh.
09-05-2002, 10:20 PM
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All of you guys that have 2002's with slipping transmissions, go back to the dealer and let them know. Even though I have a 2000SE with the slipping tranny, they replaced the soleiod and it runs great with a nice solid shift into second. Obviously, they haven't fixed the prob. for 2002. Print that service bulletin and take it into the dealer with you even though it doesn't pertain to your car. It's your best bet.
09-06-2002, 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by Edward Lee
All of you guys that have 2002's with slipping transmissions, go back to the dealer and let them know. Even though I have a 2000SE with the slipping tranny, they replaced the soleiod and it runs great with a nice solid shift into second. Obviously, they haven't fixed the prob. for 2002. Print that service bulletin and take it into the dealer with you even though it doesn't pertain to your car. It's your best bet.
All of you guys that have 2002's with slipping transmissions, go back to the dealer and let them know. Even though I have a 2000SE with the slipping tranny, they replaced the soleiod and it runs great with a nice solid shift into second. Obviously, they haven't fixed the prob. for 2002. Print that service bulletin and take it into the dealer with you even though it doesn't pertain to your car. It's your best bet.
09-06-2002, 09:15 AM
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It's called the "Solenoid Valve Assembly" and if this doesn't fix the problem you will need to replace the Transmission Control Module. If the dealer won't fix it under the 60k warranty, go for one of those valve body recalibrations from one of those aftermarket companies. Stillen knows of a company that changes this out before they supercharge an automatic. This is your best bet if you have to pay for it. Here is the link: http://www.mobiletek.net/. Good Luck. Just to let you know Nissan fixed mine under the 60k warranty and no more hanging up in 1st for a few seconds before it bangs into second. I now have smooth crisp shifting like a normal car. It doesn't matter how I drive it.
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