Nissan called me today about the 255hp
#1
Nissan called me today about the 255hp
Ok, I filed with the better business bureau a week ago.
I actually got a call from Nissan about the HP thing at work this morning.
Shannon, who was quite nice (and an altima owner) discussed with me the problem I was describing. She said a few important things:
1)They're taking my complaint very seriously
2)They've created a "file"
3)She's talking with the engineers
4)They won't be buying back my car
5)She will be checking out maxima.org for more info.
The base of my argument is that the maxima is dynoing the same HP as the Altima. We need hard #'s and back to back altima/maxima runs.
I have her # and dept., I'm not going to post it here to avoid people harassing her.
Our foot is in the door...
I actually got a call from Nissan about the HP thing at work this morning.
Shannon, who was quite nice (and an altima owner) discussed with me the problem I was describing. She said a few important things:
1)They're taking my complaint very seriously
2)They've created a "file"
3)She's talking with the engineers
4)They won't be buying back my car
5)She will be checking out maxima.org for more info.
The base of my argument is that the maxima is dynoing the same HP as the Altima. We need hard #'s and back to back altima/maxima runs.
I have her # and dept., I'm not going to post it here to avoid people harassing her.
Our foot is in the door...
#2
Re: Nissan called me today about the 255hp
Originally posted by DrVolkl
Ok, I filed with the better business bureau a week ago.
I actually got a call from Nissan about the HP thing at work this morning.
Shannon, who was quite nice (and an altima owner) discussed with me the problem I was describing. She said a few important things:
1)They're taking my complaint very seriously
2)They've created a "file"
3)She's talking with the engineers
4)They won't be buying back my car
5)She will be checking out maxima.org for more info.
The base of my argument is that the maxima is dynoing the same HP as the Altima. We need hard #'s and back to back altima/maxima runs.
I have her # and dept., I'm not going to post it here to avoid people harassing her.
Our foot is in the door...
Ok, I filed with the better business bureau a week ago.
I actually got a call from Nissan about the HP thing at work this morning.
Shannon, who was quite nice (and an altima owner) discussed with me the problem I was describing. She said a few important things:
1)They're taking my complaint very seriously
2)They've created a "file"
3)She's talking with the engineers
4)They won't be buying back my car
5)She will be checking out maxima.org for more info.
The base of my argument is that the maxima is dynoing the same HP as the Altima. We need hard #'s and back to back altima/maxima runs.
I have her # and dept., I'm not going to post it here to avoid people harassing her.
Our foot is in the door...
It's a step in the right direction. Thanks for the update
#4
good job, could you email me her info and i'll talk to her also and forward it to atty John Havas so he can speak with her also, we also have an altima and maxima both auto's dynoing next week at the same place so i can't wait to get those numbers. and i was pretty sure nissan wouldn't buy them back, they'll fix the number or give us a small refund.
steve@frankencar.com with the info, good job and thanks.
steve@frankencar.com with the info, good job and thanks.
#9
Originally posted by SprintMax
I am going to buy a 2k2 now so i don't get left out
I am going to buy a 2k2 now so i don't get left out
"Mr. <insert-name>....you are aware of the aledged horsepower issue with the 2002 Maxima, correct?"
"Um,... yes" you reply as beads of sweat form on your forehead.
The attorney straightens his $800 Armani suit and continues, "And yet, sir, you still went to purchase a Maxima. Can you say why?"
"Um, well, aaa..." You start to loose control of your bodily functions.
"It is because you have other reasons for buying the car, right Mr. <insert-name>?"
"????"
#11
Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2
good job, could you email me her info and i'll talk to her also and forward it to atty John Havas so he can speak with her also, we also have an altima and maxima both auto's dynoing next week at the same place so i can't wait to get those numbers.
good job, could you email me her info and i'll talk to her also and forward it to atty John Havas so he can speak with her also, we also have an altima and maxima both auto's dynoing next week at the same place so i can't wait to get those numbers.
#14
Just give me my 15hp. Not looking for anyone to buy my car back, that just isn't realistic. However, I have a hard time seeing Nissan having the ability to even "upgrade" the engine to deliver another 15hp. Should be interesting to see what happens...
The louder we yell, the more people who hear about it, the more effective this onslaught, if you will can be...
PS - Watch the weight jokes...she might be reading this thread.
Don't wanna **** her off now do we?
The louder we yell, the more people who hear about it, the more effective this onslaught, if you will can be...
PS - Watch the weight jokes...she might be reading this thread.
Don't wanna **** her off now do we?
#15
Originally posted by DrVolkl
I must admit I was quite happy to be called. She assured me that they were taking this VERY SERIOUSLY.
I must admit I was quite happy to be called. She assured me that they were taking this VERY SERIOUSLY.
I hope they are genuine in their assurance that they are taking it seriously. We'll all see by their actual RESOLUTION in this matter. This will truly determine just HOW SERIOUS they are taking it.
As stated by MANY: "I BOUGHT MY MAXIMA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAD 255 HP AND BECAUSE IT HAD A 15 HP ADVANTAGE OVER THE ALTIMA." Would the truth about the ACTUAL hp rating have made a difference? ABSOLUTELY!
#16
She's supposed to be trolling the .org for more information so you might not want to push this too far.
Which bring up an important point....how much information should we post on here since there is talk of legal action AND we now know that Nissan reps are (supposedly) looking at this board? You don't play poker with your hands face up on the table do you?
Which bring up an important point....how much information should we post on here since there is talk of legal action AND we now know that Nissan reps are (supposedly) looking at this board? You don't play poker with your hands face up on the table do you?
#17
I have a question. Let's pretend this actually comes to fruition. Since i bought my 2k2 used, but it's still under warranty, will any "upgrade" that may be decided apply to me, or just guys that bought it brand new. Cuz i could have bought the 2000, or 2001, but i wanted the 3.5. Thanks.
#18
Originally posted by pjonkheer
Just give me my 15hp. Not looking for anyone to buy my car back, that just isn't realistic. However, I have a hard time seeing Nissan having the ability to even "upgrade" the engine to deliver another 15hp. Should be interesting to see what happens...
The louder we yell, the more people who hear about it, the more effective this onslaught, if you will can be...
PS - Watch the weight jokes...she might be reading this thread.
Don't wanna **** her off now do we?
Just give me my 15hp. Not looking for anyone to buy my car back, that just isn't realistic. However, I have a hard time seeing Nissan having the ability to even "upgrade" the engine to deliver another 15hp. Should be interesting to see what happens...
The louder we yell, the more people who hear about it, the more effective this onslaught, if you will can be...
PS - Watch the weight jokes...she might be reading this thread.
Don't wanna **** her off now do we?
#19
Originally posted by pjonkheer
Just give me my 15hp. Not looking for anyone to buy my car back, that just isn't realistic. However, I have a hard time seeing Nissan having the ability to even "upgrade" the engine to deliver another 15hp. Should be interesting to see what happens...
The louder we yell, the more people who hear about it, the more effective this onslaught, if you will can be...
PS - Watch the weight jokes...she might be reading this thread.
Don't wanna **** her off now do we?
Just give me my 15hp. Not looking for anyone to buy my car back, that just isn't realistic. However, I have a hard time seeing Nissan having the ability to even "upgrade" the engine to deliver another 15hp. Should be interesting to see what happens...
The louder we yell, the more people who hear about it, the more effective this onslaught, if you will can be...
PS - Watch the weight jokes...she might be reading this thread.
Don't wanna **** her off now do we?
#20
Originally posted by Y2K2Driver
There's been so much talk about how few differences exist between the Maxima, 350Z, and G35 that I sort of believe that an ECU reprogram may very well fix the issue at since that seems to be such a major part of the different HP ratings. Though a counter argument my be if it really was that easy, then how come they didn't do it in the first place, and that I don't know.
There's been so much talk about how few differences exist between the Maxima, 350Z, and G35 that I sort of believe that an ECU reprogram may very well fix the issue at since that seems to be such a major part of the different HP ratings. Though a counter argument my be if it really was that easy, then how come they didn't do it in the first place, and that I don't know.
if it ends up that they give us 15 HP somehow that will probably upset a lot of Z owners. i would rather just got compensated by some sort of refund.
#21
Originally posted by Newman
of course nissan doesnt want their sports car to have the same amount of horsepower as their family sedans. that is why it wasnt done in th first place.
if it ends up that they give us 15 HP somehow that will probably upset a lot of Z owners. i would rather just got compensated by some sort of refund.
of course nissan doesnt want their sports car to have the same amount of horsepower as their family sedans. that is why it wasnt done in th first place.
if it ends up that they give us 15 HP somehow that will probably upset a lot of Z owners. i would rather just got compensated by some sort of refund.
Z and G35 are overrated as well.
#22
Originally posted by Newman
of course nissan doesnt want their sports car to have the same amount of horsepower as their family sedans. that is why it wasnt done in th first place.
if it ends up that they give us 15 HP somehow that will probably upset a lot of Z owners. i would rather just got compensated by some sort of refund.
of course nissan doesnt want their sports car to have the same amount of horsepower as their family sedans. that is why it wasnt done in th first place.
if it ends up that they give us 15 HP somehow that will probably upset a lot of Z owners. i would rather just got compensated by some sort of refund.
#23
Originally posted by CHAZMAX
As stated by MANY: "I BOUGHT MY MAXIMA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAD 255 HP AND BECAUSE IT HAD A 15 HP ADVANTAGE OVER THE ALTIMA." Would the truth about the ACTUAL hp rating have made a difference? ABSOLUTELY!
As stated by MANY: "I BOUGHT MY MAXIMA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAD 255 HP AND BECAUSE IT HAD A 15 HP ADVANTAGE OVER THE ALTIMA." Would the truth about the ACTUAL hp rating have made a difference? ABSOLUTELY!
#24
Originally posted by CHAZMAX
Excellent job! We sincerely appreciate the hard work!
I hope they are genuine in their assurance that they are taking it seriously. We'll all see by their actual RESOLUTION in this matter. This will truly determine just HOW SERIOUS they are taking it.
As stated by MANY: "I BOUGHT MY MAXIMA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAD 255 HP AND BECAUSE IT HAD A 15 HP ADVANTAGE OVER THE ALTIMA." Would the truth about the ACTUAL hp rating have made a difference? ABSOLUTELY!
Excellent job! We sincerely appreciate the hard work!
I hope they are genuine in their assurance that they are taking it seriously. We'll all see by their actual RESOLUTION in this matter. This will truly determine just HOW SERIOUS they are taking it.
As stated by MANY: "I BOUGHT MY MAXIMA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT HAD 255 HP AND BECAUSE IT HAD A 15 HP ADVANTAGE OVER THE ALTIMA." Would the truth about the ACTUAL hp rating have made a difference? ABSOLUTELY!
DITTO - The 255 number was VERY important in my decision to purchase the Maxima. I had faith in their numbers. If there has been a mistake, my expectation is that Nissan will do the right thing and correct the problem or compensate us for our loss.
#25
Originally posted by jjames
***Lol. Yeah, I'm sure they are going to believe that you would've based your 20 some thousand dollar decision on 15 horsepower.
***Lol. Yeah, I'm sure they are going to believe that you would've based your 20 some thousand dollar decision on 15 horsepower.
and i don't think it will be as simple as just an ECU reprogram to get the 15 hp reliablly, the next best way will be with a new intake manifold to the tune of a few hundred bucks a car and that will definetly give the extra 15. and i'm gonna dyno a 350Z 6-spd on saturday after i do the Frankencar Intake proto type on the same dyno i did my stock dyno on so we'll have a good indictation of how much extra power the Z has. and ya we'll prolly end up racing
and ya no is shannon hot jokes. as long as she's here to help us and does everything she can she's ok in my book.
#26
Originally posted by jjames
***Lol. Yeah, I'm sure they are going to believe that you would've based your 20 some thousand dollar decision on 15 horsepower.
***Lol. Yeah, I'm sure they are going to believe that you would've based your 20 some thousand dollar decision on 15 horsepower.
#29
Originally posted by CHAZMAX
Now I didn't say that the ONLY reason why I made my decision was the 15 hp. Of course not. However, like many others, it was DEFINATELY a deciding factor. I originally was looking to buy an Altima (or Acura RSX type S), and one of the determining factor's for buying the Max was the extra power. (The PERCIEVED extra power). Again... would the TRUTH have made a difference? Absolutely.
Now I didn't say that the ONLY reason why I made my decision was the 15 hp. Of course not. However, like many others, it was DEFINATELY a deciding factor. I originally was looking to buy an Altima (or Acura RSX type S), and one of the determining factor's for buying the Max was the extra power. (The PERCIEVED extra power). Again... would the TRUTH have made a difference? Absolutely.
#30
Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2
and i don't think it will be as simple as just an ECU reprogram to get the 15 hp reliablly, the next best way will be with a new intake manifold to the tune of a few hundred bucks a car and that will definetly give the extra 15.
and i don't think it will be as simple as just an ECU reprogram to get the 15 hp reliablly, the next best way will be with a new intake manifold to the tune of a few hundred bucks a car and that will definetly give the extra 15.
#31
An ECU upgrade (or any mod) to get 15HP? I don't see it happening... if there were 15HP there to find, why didn't you get it in the first place.
A refund? Really doubt it. No company is going to part with cash on this, they will fight as long at it takes and keep the appeals going.
Here is the most likely resolution (assuming there is one at all): The lawyers will get some settlement chunk of money, probably undisclosed. The rest of us will get some kind of rebate that can only be applied to (guess what?) the purchase of a new Nissan.
We've see them before: a settlement for some lawsuit that you never heard about is resolved, and out of the blue you get this thing in the mail. A coupon for $50 off your next cruise (big deal) or similar.
A refund? Really doubt it. No company is going to part with cash on this, they will fight as long at it takes and keep the appeals going.
Here is the most likely resolution (assuming there is one at all): The lawyers will get some settlement chunk of money, probably undisclosed. The rest of us will get some kind of rebate that can only be applied to (guess what?) the purchase of a new Nissan.
We've see them before: a settlement for some lawsuit that you never heard about is resolved, and out of the blue you get this thing in the mail. A coupon for $50 off your next cruise (big deal) or similar.
#32
My experience with 'refunds/rebates'
Well,my 2001 had an actual mechanical defect, and I've been complaining/fighting since the day after I bought the thing. That was May 15, 2001, and I just got a call from my attorney two weeks ago that said NNA was ready to settle (and that's only because the "Resolution Specialist" NNA sent out was a man of integrity and knowledge). Once we agreed on the number I was supposed to be told within a week where to drop the car off, and when I'd get my check. So far no word. I suppose these things take time...heck, I'm no lawyer or accountant (yeah, it's those bean-counters who really cause the trouble!).
All I can say is that unless there's some sort of Truth (fraud) in Advertising claim, those who are affected by this problem will have a heck of a time getting any real resolution.
Just so I know - is this a problem for only 2002, or is the 2003 in the same boat?
Jack
All I can say is that unless there's some sort of Truth (fraud) in Advertising claim, those who are affected by this problem will have a heck of a time getting any real resolution.
Just so I know - is this a problem for only 2002, or is the 2003 in the same boat?
Jack
#33
oh come on...
now keep the flaming to a minimum cause im a 3rd gen guy. dont manufactures measure a the crank? at the engine?. if u dyno of course u are gonna lose power. because it has to go through the wheels. be happy w/ your 6 second 0-60 times and let it be.
#34
my honest opinion (not that it really matters)
i bought my maxima because it was the best bang for the buck. looking at the stats on paper, it had 255hp, 246lb/tq, and weighed around 3200lbs
i was looking at the TL-S and on paper, it said 260hp, some low torque # (characteristic of honda engines) and weighed in at 3500? lbs.
looking over the options, the maxima and TL-S were virtually identical.
oh but wait! i got my fully loaded maxima (no nav) GLE for 26k, while the TL-S would have cost me upwards of 32k.
but now that im short 15hp, im kinda mad. im not saying that the 15hp would be worth the 6k difference in price, but the 255hp really helped me decide
i bought my maxima because it was the best bang for the buck. looking at the stats on paper, it had 255hp, 246lb/tq, and weighed around 3200lbs
i was looking at the TL-S and on paper, it said 260hp, some low torque # (characteristic of honda engines) and weighed in at 3500? lbs.
looking over the options, the maxima and TL-S were virtually identical.
oh but wait! i got my fully loaded maxima (no nav) GLE for 26k, while the TL-S would have cost me upwards of 32k.
but now that im short 15hp, im kinda mad. im not saying that the 15hp would be worth the 6k difference in price, but the 255hp really helped me decide
#35
Re: oh come on...
Originally posted by nismo-max500
dont manufactures measure a the crank? at the engine?. if u dyno of course u are gonna lose power. because it has to go through the wheels.
dont manufactures measure a the crank? at the engine?. if u dyno of course u are gonna lose power. because it has to go through the wheels.
we know this. our argument is that if the Maxima truely has 255 horsepower at the crank it should be putting down more to the wheels than it actually does. my car put down 203.9 FWHP. that is almost a 21% loss through the drivetrain (assuming 255 crank HP). we feel that if the Maxima does in fact have 255 horsepower it should be putting down upwards of 210 FWHP consistantly (with a fair assumption of about an 18% drivetrain loss). but that isnt the case.
#36
Re: Re: oh come on...
Originally posted by Newman
we know this. our argument is that if the Maxima truely has 255 horsepower at the crank it should be putting down more to the wheels than it actually does.
we know this. our argument is that if the Maxima truely has 255 horsepower at the crank it should be putting down more to the wheels than it actually does.
This isn't just about the maxima, it concerns Nissan marketing in general, which is why it is SERIOUS.
Read Headline: "Nissan makes up HP to boost sales...new Z closer to F"
#37
The 15 extra hp between the Altima and Maxima was a big part of the decision on my purchase.
Nissan makes two high performance 4 door sports cars. One car has a nice new modern exterior with a mediocre interior. The other car exterior is not as attractive but the design and construction of the interior makes up for it. Both vehicles are about the same size and weight, both offer similar features, and both are approximately the same price. Now at this point we really have a 50/50 split as to which is the better car. But if you were told one was faster, more powerful, and quicker than the other which would you choose?
Nissan makes two high performance 4 door sports cars. One car has a nice new modern exterior with a mediocre interior. The other car exterior is not as attractive but the design and construction of the interior makes up for it. Both vehicles are about the same size and weight, both offer similar features, and both are approximately the same price. Now at this point we really have a 50/50 split as to which is the better car. But if you were told one was faster, more powerful, and quicker than the other which would you choose?
#38
Re: Re: Re: oh come on...
Originally posted by DrVolkl
This is an advertising issue. Nissan is about to get slapped, cause guess what...the Z ain't making 280hp either..no way. The altima/pathfinder have the most accurate HP ratings. Beyond that, it's a mystery. Show me how our engine makes 15 more hp than the altima...please, and then show me how we lose it on the dyno compared to the altima. They had to change the #'s on the SE-R (which is still elevated).
This isn't just about the maxima, it concerns Nissan marketing in general, which is why it is SERIOUS.
Read Headline: "Nissan makes up HP to boost sales...new Z closer to F"
This is an advertising issue. Nissan is about to get slapped, cause guess what...the Z ain't making 280hp either..no way. The altima/pathfinder have the most accurate HP ratings. Beyond that, it's a mystery. Show me how our engine makes 15 more hp than the altima...please, and then show me how we lose it on the dyno compared to the altima. They had to change the #'s on the SE-R (which is still elevated).
This isn't just about the maxima, it concerns Nissan marketing in general, which is why it is SERIOUS.
Read Headline: "Nissan makes up HP to boost sales...new Z closer to F"
On the other hand, haven't numerous dynos indicated the 3.5 is churning out substantially higher lb-ft of torque than advertised? I don't see anyone complaining about that. I'd rather have the extra torque in day-to-day driving than a few extra ponies that only contribute at high speeds (i.e. waaaay beyond legal).
Now, about that paint chip issue.....Ooops, Nissan has acknowledged that problem with the recent commercial where a super black Maxima turns into a sheer silver (or is it primer? Hmmmmm)Maxima.
Cars like it:0
#39
MOST nissan engines are overrated. I was in person to watch a modded sentra spec V, track edition Z, and a modded 3.5 5spd altima dyno at stillen day last month.
modded spec V: 125-130 hp
STOCK 350Z: 225-230 hp
Modded Altima: 228-235 hp
I forgot the exact numbers in the 3 runs, but the ones posted are pretty close. I know for a FACT that the modded alty put down more than the Z
btw... all were manual transmission
modded spec V: 125-130 hp
STOCK 350Z: 225-230 hp
Modded Altima: 228-235 hp
I forgot the exact numbers in the 3 runs, but the ones posted are pretty close. I know for a FACT that the modded alty put down more than the Z
btw... all were manual transmission
#40
Originally posted by Larrio
MOST nissan engines are overrated. I was in person to watch a modded sentra spec V, track edition Z, and a modded 3.5 5spd altima dyno at stillen day last month.
modded spec V: 125-130 hp
STOCK 350Z: 225-230 hp
Modded Altima: 228-235 hp
I forgot the exact numbers in the 3 runs, but the ones posted are pretty close. I know for a FACT that the modded alty put down more than the Z
btw... all were manual transmission
MOST nissan engines are overrated. I was in person to watch a modded sentra spec V, track edition Z, and a modded 3.5 5spd altima dyno at stillen day last month.
modded spec V: 125-130 hp
STOCK 350Z: 225-230 hp
Modded Altima: 228-235 hp
I forgot the exact numbers in the 3 runs, but the ones posted are pretty close. I know for a FACT that the modded alty put down more than the Z
btw... all were manual transmission
wasn't there some SUPERmodded 300z up there that put down like 500??