ZACTLY!

did I already say that?

-vq

 

2001SE - As you can see in my signature.. I have already modified my Max, and are looking to do even more mods.

But, im not selling my Max.. Im going to keep my Max, keep on modifying it, and then also buy an SRT4 to have fun and play with..
Then Ill have my large cruiser, and my little toy to fling around corners and smoke the local import boys with..

Granted, I could do that with my max.. But theres no need in tearing up a leather equipped, large sedan..

 

max is a mid-size sedan...

town car/crown vic/7 series/LHS thems are large...

-vq

 

I think it would win...I have read several articles stating that dodge has under rated the hp in this car....Un like Nissan claiming more than it has...

But in the end it is still a Dodge..and goood for 50K miles at best then major problems

 

Everyone needs to stop being threatened that something cheaper might be (gasp) faster. Who cares?

Craig
2kGLE

 

 

Neon SRT-4 is cool but the only way I would own one is to have it for fun and keep my Max for room and comfort.

 

AGREED ! Why wouldn't I want one, other than the fact that three of you would have to use butter and a shoehorn to get me in and out. . .

 

140 in a Neon??? errrr, youre gonna need this



*scary*

Then again, 120+ in a maxima isn't all that safe either, even tho it may *feel* safe

 

 

err, um, no not the neon.

 

oooo...i like that wing tho

and i gotta admit...it is the best looking Neon yet.

 

Irvine78 - that is NOT a production color/body kit.. Thats a one off body kit and paint job done by DC..

 

this old guy (ok, only 40) at work saw the orange neon above...says...that looks like a "chicks car"...

I laughed...

-vq

 

that's pretty much what every G35, BMW, and audi owner says when you try and compare your car to his

 

i know...that's true

but I don't really COMPLETELY agree about the G35...it's just as big of a peice of crap as the Maxima, but with better looks, and newer FM platform...

just my thoughts...

-vq

 

The neon isn't all powerful. Just look at the base prices that even Sport Compact posted.

SE-R is only 17,100. Neon is 19900. Thats a good $2,800 for you to mod the heck outta the SE-R and it will beat the neon by a handy clip.

Also, the Neon weighs 2870 lbs, thats only 3-400 lbs less than a max, whoever said 1000- they must have lightened their neon quite a bit.



anyways this thread really sux

 

Well, shoot. Now that I've read the SCC article, the 6spd Max might have a chance.

I think it'd be a drivers race. I think there are Maxes out there in the low 14 range (14.1-14.3) and the SRT-4 professionally driven only got 14.1. I wonder if the Neon would run out of breath in a longer race? ...cause the Max is pulling awfully hard at the end of the quarter.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ro...s/012scc_dodge

 

...Dodge listened.

I took a peak at their site and noticed a few nice features about the new neon:

1) Standard Michelin Pilot Sport 3 All Season Tires
2) Turbo Boost Gauge
3) Manual Transmission - no automatic
4) Functional Hood Scoop
5) Silver Faced Gauges
6) Under $20K delivered

If I was 17, I would run out and buy this car in a second. On paper, this is one awesome ride. The only problem I have with it is that Dodge makes it. I had a Durango and what a big POS (although VERY fun to drive). And you guy's complain about Nissan service?!?!? Did you ever have a service manager tell you "Don't bother bring your car back to the shop...it will sit in the lot all day" only because I felt that $40 for an air filter was too much considering it was included to be replaced in my next pre-paid service? Or how about calling a Dodge dealer and having them say "Well, we're a small shop...I couldn't get to an oil change for a couple of weeks."!

I LOVE the way this car looks. It's so small I thought it was a 2-door! I would not buy it, only because of the Dodge name and reputation.

But look out Maximas, some kid will kick your butt at a red light in one of these! Just remember, you bought your Max for comfort and reliablity. There are many other cars in the Maxima price range that are faster...and you didn't buy those.

 

this thread sucks, who cares what is faster, max is a nice car for its price, and the new neon is a nice car for its price.

 

This thread should be moved to the sentra forum...definately not in the same class as our Maxima!

 

What are you going to do with $2800 ? Every major bolt on mod possible? Thats still not going to be enough.. You may get it to be close to 200~210 hp from 175, an all motor car will never ever have the same amount of torque as a turbo car. Especially a turbo car with almost another .6 tenths of a liter displacement.

Unfortunately, with $2800 worth of mods, unless it has nitrous, it will still lose. Take that $2800 and modify the SRT4 which is a turbocharged car and youll have a car that will outhandle, and outpower the SER in any competition hands down.. (Wait.. it does that stock!) Stage 3 computer upgrade ups the boost on the SRT4 and brings power to 300 hp for less than $1500. Figure the torque will be killer too.

So, the SER is not even close to a competitor. Same class of car, yes, same power and weight figures ? He@@ no.

 

An SE-R Spec V with $2800 in mods is still going to get its *** handed to it by the SRT-4. Dodge has certainly done their homework when it comes to this car, and as much as I hate to admit it, this car is going to take the Import/Sport Compact market by storm. It has re-written the rulebook. If honda, toyota, and nissan would get their crap together they could put up worthy competitors, and hopefully that will happen, but as it stands right now, the SRT-4 owns the Import/Sport compact market.

This is coming from a hater of Neons, I really, really dislike them (as I do all domestic sport compacts), but that this car deserves respect is undeniable. I'm dreading the day I get revved on by one, because until I install the turbo kit this spring... it's all over for me unless it's being driven by a total moron.

All the comments about "its not in the same class as the Max, etc etc etc" are just avoiding the point: the SRT-4 is a faster car period. All the class and luxury goes out the window when you are seeing the other guys taillights. Sure you may have the nicer car, but it wasn't a nice car contest you were just involved in, it was a contest of speed, and you lost.

To the person who made the comment about the SRT-4 not coming with an LSD... have you ever driven a car with an LSD. It has almost no effect on the car in a straight line, might as well not even be there.

 

i got my Maxima with the LSD option so to answer your question yes i have driven a car with and without LSD. you will find that when they will try to race the SRT-4 they will be spinning one wheel like crazy and will not get any traction. in order to launch a turbo car you have to dump it as high as possible in order to get as much boost as you can off the line. if they try to launch at too high of a RPM you will get one wheel getting all the power and spinning that wheel, thus making them go no where. you add a LSD on that car and you will see 13 second timeslips stock.

but one car i havnt seen anyone bring up is the new lancer evolution. that car is coming with 271 hp stock. MSRP is 28k.

 

adding HLSD doesn't necessarily improve timeslips for the Maxima 6-spd (see Emax's best 1/4-mile), so what makes you think it'll help the neon?

 

Haha, yeah when I used to visit the Grand AM forum, this guy who owned 2 mustang cobras and an M5 kept coming on the forum and talking smack about Grand AM's and how they could never beat an M5 if we tried. Well none of us cared...we just found it extremely annoying and eventually the guy was kciked off the forum. The point here is that he was comparing cars that werent even close to being in the same league as eachother just like you guys are doing. Compare the SRT4 to the WRX...that's what the neon srt4 is targeting anyway. The maxima is an entry-level luxury sedan, mid-priced-midsized sedan hybrid....it always has been. Its not a suped up 13000 dollar economy size car like the SRT4. Just wondering, but wouldnt we be faster than an SRT4 if we removed a computer from a 350Z and put it in our cars. The engines are the same, and from what ive heard, the only reason why the 350Z puts out more power is because of the exhaust and the programming of the VVT.

 

haha...duh...i know. that Neon was at SEMA show. i just wanted to post it up cuz it looked nice! even the stock SRT-4 is the best looking Neon

 

First off, the Neon is a subcompact car. It should not be compared to the Maxima in term of refinement/luxury/options/volume/etc...So, it does makes more horsepower and accelerate better. Who cares? Will the engine last in the long run? There are plenty of modified Honda Civic/Integra which can probably outrun the Neon. You are missing the point in my reference to class of car. Just like you can't compare shoe from the Payless shoe store to a brand name such as Prada even if the one from the Payless is better performance and pricewise!




[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nealoc187
[B]An SE-R Spec V with $2800 in mods is still going to get its *** handed to it by the SRT-4. Dodge has certainly done their homework when it comes to this car, and as much as I hate to admit it, this car is going to take the Import/Sport Compact market by storm. It has re-written the rulebook. If honda, toyota, and nissan would get their crap together they could put up worthy competitors, and hopefully that will happen, but as it stands right now, the SRT-4 owns the Import/Sport compact market.

This is coming from a hater of Neons, I really, really dislike them (as I do all domestic sport compacts), but that this car deserves respect is undeniable. I'm dreading the day I get revved on by one, because until I install the turbo kit this spring... it's all over for me unless it's being driven by a total moron.

All the comments about "its not in the same class as the Max, etc etc etc" are just avoiding the point: the SRT-4 is a faster car period. All the class and luxury goes out the window when you are seeing the other guys taillights. Sure you may have the nicer car, but it wasn't a nice car contest you were just involved in, it was a contest of speed, and you lost.

 

I concur.

-vq

 

TOTALLY Agree with that statement!! 99-00 Si + turbo = low 14s-upper 13s and 140mph+ topend.

Nice shoe analogy.

 

whoa, you got a nice collection of cars there man

 

I thought this was a thread about the performance of the car? Not the quality of the interior? If you are interested in which performs best, look at the contributing factors, not some subjective factors totally non-related to the topic at hand.

As for the LSD guy, I think you are overestimating the affect the LSD will have. It's minimal. I've driven cars far more powerful than the SRT-4 and 6spd Max both before and after LSD, and it doesn't make one bit of difference in straight line performance in my experience. Unless you have the wheels unevenly loaded or one tire in a wet spot or something like that, it really won't have any effect.

 

it is, it is...

when Maxima owners get beat by something like a Neon...they (we, I) have to go into defense mode, and point out why the opposing car sucks...and it does suck...big time...

but it is fast...still wouldn't buy it.

-vq

 

I'm with you craig

 

Same here, as much as I like to race and modify, I still need some modicum of comfort and features, not to mention reliability. Just pointing out that these things don't have a whole lot to do with the ultimate performance of a car.

 

You're right! That is why this thread should be moved to the sentra.org or civic.org? in the first place. Performance is not everything. Refinement and quality should be the main concern when compare cars equally equipped to the Maxima, such as the
VW-Passat & Audi A4/Acura TL/Toyota Avalon to name a few.

 

tell that to "Goodguy"

you should see his flaming of me on the "2000 Maxima VS. 2003 Mazda 6" thread...

We got to talking about reasons why we like our maxima over Altima....other than 0-60 & 1/4 mile times....he called me "gay"....

had to laugh...

-vq

 

What are you talking about? First of all, you were flaming the thread cause of dumb post as, "HAHAHA, Mazda 6 uses Ford taurus's engine". Thats false. And nobody wasn't talking about altima at all.

 

dude, I've got so many threads going...arguing with so many different people....you weren't the one that called me "gay" that was 2kseman...my bad...

but I wasn't flaming the post, it was a post asking what was better,
"2000 Maxima, or 2003 Mazda 6"....

I gave my opinion.

because I don't like cars THAT HAVE FORD ENGINES.

-vq

 

You have to chill out..