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Old 01-31-2003 | 01:58 PM
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Installation pics of my Firm Fabrications intake

Here ya go. Please excuse the dirtyness of my car. It's been raining here the last few days.

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Let me know what you think!

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Old 01-31-2003 | 02:11 PM
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The intake looks very nice. Looks like good quality and the pictures show it off very nicely. Good job. How do you like it so far? I'm hoping that they will make one for 00-01.
Old 01-31-2003 | 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by 2k1seae
The intake looks very nice. Looks like good quality and the pictures show it off very nicely. Good job. How do you like it so far? I'm hoping that they will make one for 00-01.
Oh man, let me tell you. I'm absolutely loving it! It has the FATTEST deep throaty growl you can imagine. And when you cross the 4000 RPM barrier, whew! That thing SCREAMS! I do feel my car begin to move a little quicker than before. Not much, but a little.

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Old 01-31-2003 | 02:14 PM
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that filter looks awful small, especially for the 3.5 - even my k&N is bigger for my 3L...
Old 01-31-2003 | 02:17 PM
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that filter looks awful small, especially for the 3.5 - even my k&N is bigger for my 3L...
I plan on replacing the filter. I like the idea of a dry filter. Keeps the whole MAF issue pretty simple. I may go with an ApexI.
Old 01-31-2003 | 02:50 PM
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I plan on replacing the filter. I like the idea of a dry filter. Keeps the whole MAF issue pretty simple. I may go with an ApexI.
No plan on your MAF dying with the apexi filter too
Old 01-31-2003 | 02:52 PM
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No plan on your MAF dying with the apexi filter too
So what's a good DRY filter, then?
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:00 PM
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So what's a good DRY filter, then?
the apexi but you will blow your MAF reguardless sooner or later. Its a POS.
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:01 PM
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the apexi but you will blow your MAF reguardless sooner or later. Its a POS.
Oh, you mean the MAF is a POS? Gotcha.
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:02 PM
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Looks great. I like the look much better than the Frankencar. After I get married it will be the first thing I buy along with an Apexi Filter and a spare 2K1 MAF.
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:06 PM
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Looks good.

I agree with Hobert. If you're gonna spend the cheese on a new APEXi, you might as well triple the cost and pick up a 2k-2k1 MAF too!

J/K Hope you enjoy your new intake!!!!!
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:12 PM
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Looks good.

I agree with Hobert. If you're gonna spend the cheese on a new APEXi, you might as well triple the cost and pick up a 2k-2k1 MAF too!

J/K Hope you enjoy your new intake!!!!!
lol. Thanks for the nice comments guys! I'm really lovin it. BTW, from what I hear, DaveB sells those MAFs for like $60. If you ever need a new one, you may want to look him up.

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Old 01-31-2003 | 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Hobert
Looks great. I like the look much better than the Frankencar. After I get married it will be the first thing I buy along with an Apexi Filter and a spare 2K1 MAF.
I just realized we have the same car. I still need to tint my windows. That looks so good. What is that, 35%?
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:19 PM
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Maybe I'm thinking of a different intake, but I think that these guys did something different with MAF. Seems like they repositioned it. If so, maybe that would help the failure rate. Anyway, I still hope they make one for the 00-01.
Old 01-31-2003 | 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by 2k1seae
Maybe I'm thinking of a different intake, but I think that these guys did something different with MAF. Seems like they repositioned it. If so, maybe that would help the failure rate. Anyway, I still hope they make one for the 00-01.
Yeah, they did. Here's a brief description...

"Our unique designed intake systems for 2002-up Nissans are a 100% complete replacement for the OE intake tract. We incorporate the MAF sensor unit / adaptor into the intake tract as one piece. This allows for a smooth surface for the air to travel along without any unnecessary dips and ridges caused by excessive breaks in the tubing wall which can create turbulence and hinder airflow. A true inside diameter of 70.8mm is obtained throughout the entire length of the tract whereas the OEM MAF adaptor’s inside diameter is 69.9mm allowing more airflow without disturbing MAF sensor readings. Aluminum also has a lower thermal conductivity factor when compared to plastics. Our unit will absorb less radiant heat and dissipate heat faster than the OEM composite plastic piece thereby reducing intake temperatures."
Old 01-31-2003 | 05:53 PM
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Can Frankencar claim all that?
Old 01-31-2003 | 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy

Aluminum also has a lower thermal conductivity factor when compared to plastics. Our unit will absorb less radiant heat and dissipate heat faster than the OEM composite plastic piece thereby reducing intake temperatures."
I think their thermal convection theory is a little off.

- Aluminum is a good conductor of heat, true.
- Heat tends to flow towards cooler point in solids, true.

I think this unit being made of aluminum will attract more heat from the engine bay as a sink point, causing the body of the pipe to get warm/hot. Since there is no other cooling source, other than air flow when the car moves, the temperature of the air on the outside of the pipe will equalize or be the same as the air inside the pipe.

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Old 02-01-2003 | 08:30 AM
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I think their thermal convection theory is a little off.

- Aluminum is a good conductor of heat, true.
- Heat tends to flow towards cooler point in solids, true.

I think this unit being made of aluminum will attract more heat from the engine bay as a sink point, causing the body of the pipe to get warm/hot. Since there is no other cooling source, other than air flow when the car moves, the temperature of the air on the outside of the pipe will equalize or be the same as the air inside the pipe.

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I do not believe your theory is correct. Have you ever thrown something aluminum in the oven at 400 degrees? Pull it out later, its not hot. Aluminum does not have good heat retaining characterics and will not hold on to heat well. Steel on the other hand gets hot and stays hot. However, the air will still be pretty warm inside the pipe because its pulling it from the engine bay. I just believe a hot steel pipe will heat the air going through the pipe more than a lukewarm aluminum one.
Old 02-01-2003 | 08:34 AM
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I just realized we have the same car. I still need to tint my windows. That looks so good. What is that, 35%?
Thanks for the compliment, it's actually 15% Llumar except for the windshield of course. I need to put updated pics on my website. With my clears and my FSTB and RSB. Actually, I will wait until I install my H&R's, then put all the pics on the site at the same time.
Old 02-01-2003 | 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Hobert

Have you ever thrown something aluminum in the oven at 400 degrees? Pull it out later, its not hot. Aluminum does not have good heat retaining characterics and will not hold on to heat well.
Exactly, what you're looking at is aluminum's properties as a thermal conductor. Hence, why it is used as a heatsink for your cpu, for example. It is great at transfering/dispersing heat.

However, my point was that firm fabrications compared their "unique" design" versus a sealed plastic enclosure that pulls cooler air from outside as opposed to inside the bay. They are implying that the aluminum body design made for a cooler condition compared to the OEM tract. Considering, their respective designs and layout, this is easily observed as a flawed statement.

I tried to point out the thermal propeties of the aluminum duct( tunnel) in this case, is nil, or their thermal convection theory is off.


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