Ok, ive seen dozens of post on here about the Tok blues and the AGX's. Now ive heard time and time again that the Toks suck with dropped cars. Whats the reason, why do some people here detest them? Others phraise the KYB's but the 4th gen mounts in the front seem to make noise when goin over speed bumps and hittin sudden short dips. All im tryin to find out is whats so bad about the Toks? I personally think a direct fit strut will obviously work fit better then modified ones. Arnt they still alot better then the OEM struts?
Some1 please shed some light on this cuz id rather go with direct fit if they work well. Im gonna go with Tein springs and either KYB or Toks.

 

I'm just going to wait until the KYB AGX comes out for the 5th gen. I like the fact that the KYBs are adjustable.

 

Dont expect that to happen anytime soon, u see ive looked into this and KYB doesnt even have the 5th gen AGX's in R&D for atleast 2yrs. So its gonna be atleast 2yrs be4 they even try to make the strut 4 the 5th gen, and I dont even know how much longer after that til they actually produce it. So thats pretty much out of the question, the only options for KYB at this moment for the 5th gen is either GEN2 (which isnt adjustable) and the modded AGX from cattman.

 

I didn't know it would be that long, thanks for the info.

 

No prob.

 

I remember a thread late last year where someone mentioned that they spoke with a KYB rep who stated that the 5thgen KYB AGXs will be out this summer......someone who can search should try to find that thread.

 

im very interested in this also.

 

I was told summer of this year they will be availablebut we all know about deadlines

 

If you want KYB, just get the GR-2s.

 

Tokico makes a good product.

Quite a few 4th gen guys and 5th gen guys have been running the Tok's for a long time with no problems. The Blue Performance strut works well with mild drops. I think one of the reasons we have seen some failures is because there are a lot of them in use. Some of which have been in service for 60,000 - 80,000 miles. Sure there gonna fail about now, especially since they have been coupled with agressive springs. I think it's quite normal that we see failures, everything has a life expectancy.

KYB AGX's are geared twards performance. They are much stiffer then the Tok's and will probably out live them because they are designed to handle and dampen more agressive springs. I've been running the AGX's on my 4th gen for about 2 years. I've had them coupled with H&R springs, B&G springs and during the winter months with the stock springs. They have performed quite well and ride pretty good too, maybe a little stiffer then I'd like at times.

Tokico has released the Lllumina adjustable for us 4th gens and even thou my AGX's are fine, I will be switching over to the Toks this summer and coupling them with H&R springs. Tokico's seem to ride smoother then most other aftermarket units available for our cars. The Blue Tok's were a little weak in the rear and didn't seem to be able to stablize things that well. Keep in mind the Blue Performance units are designed to work best when coupled with stock springs. Tokico even stats that on their web site. We've been using them mostly on more agressive springs and taking that into consideration, they've held up very well for the most part.

The Lllumina series are designed for tuning street suspensions. Thats the unit we really should be coupling with lowering performance springs on our cars. Unfortunately for you 5th gen guys, it may be a while before these units are available as a direct replacement.

KYB makes a great product, very durable and they perform excellent.
Tokico also makes a great product, only Tokico gets their products to produce a smoother ride while giving you excellent performance.

 

so for the 5th gen, i should go with the modified agx from cattman? rather than the tokico blues?
i'm gonna be putting on tein springs with this.

 

If I could find a strut that will last a while with a aggresive drop w/o makin no clukin noise then ill go 4 it. Im dont know much about the KYB GR2's if any1 has any futher info on them please post. Im goin with Tein springs so its not a mild drop 2.2 in front and 1.6 rear.

blubyu2k2: When I called KYB they said they dont even haev it in R&D
yet nor do they show it to be in R&D over the next 2 yrs,
If 4 some reason they show up this summer then ill be left
speechless but as far as I know AGX's on the 5th gen are
gonna be the modded 1's.

njmaxseltd: Thank u 4 the info.

 

where is a good place to buy modified agx's? and how much will they cost?

 

They postponed it again since then.

 

In Tokico documentation that comes with the bLues,they say the Blues are good with stock and mild drops up to 1.5 inches. So I would say the Tein drop is too much for the Blues and you would be much better off with the Modded AGX's. Most people with H&R and Eibachs with Blues have been happy according results of the search function.

 

I just got response back from KYB:

We are looking into this. No word if we will be manufacturing the AGX line
for the Newer Maximas at this time.


Troy Horn
KYB America LLC
Phone (630)620-5555
Fax (630)620-8133
troy@kyb.com

SMUCKS

 

That was me, that's what they told me when I contacted them. I didn't wait, had my AGX put on yesterday as a matter of fact. Very sweet indeed, handles like a sports car

 

Cattman, he has a guy that builds them. More expensive, but they are great. Check out cattman.com, I hear there's a new ecommerce cattman site going up soon too...

 

You can modify the front AGX and the front upper strut mounts yourself, if you have some time and the right tools. There have been threads over the past year and a half about how to do it. Basically, you elongate a mounting hole on the strut, and cut down the thickness of the upper strut mount so the strut's threaded rod goes through far enough for the top nut.

 

Well then tell me this, Ive driven Andy's car and it handles very well, especially compared to mine. He's got the modded AGX's and sittin on Progress springs. The front struts for some reason make a slight clunkin noise when u go over speed bumbs or hit sudden short dips, now does urs make any noise of that kind of its totally quiet. If I could get mine in w/o no clunks then im all 4 it. But if every1 who has the modded agx's has this little problem then ill probably go with the blues, if they last me 50K miles then I got nothin to complain about. Does any1 else have any more info on the KYB GR2's?
I personally want the modded AGX but if its gonna anoy me, then why should I get it.

 

Kinda sounds like he is missing the isolation sleaves off of the springs.

BTW happy Tok blue customer.

 

What springs u got? I jsut got my Teins a few hrs ago but gonna hold off installing til I get struts and yea its got the sleeves on the springs, Looks real nice! I never thought to consider the sleeves on the springs....

 

does the isolation sleeves come with the modified cattman kyb agxs?? does the modded agxs make that clunking sound?

 

It has nothing to do with the strut itself, there is a thing platic sleeve that goes around the first and last coil of the spring and its not there it will cause the spring to move and make noise while seated in the strut. So I guess the guys that installed Andy's suspension removed them or it just didnt come with the springs.
Come to think of it I remember now im 100% sure his rears didnt have the sleeves, but im not too sure about the fronts. His rears were makin noise be4, but after I got my hands on em the rear is just fine now. But I still want some1 here with the modded kybs to state that their suspension works just fine w/o makin any clunkin noise, then ill just go 4 em, and it looks like Andys gonna gave to go 4 new springs.

 

i would also like some confirmation from members that have the modded agxs that they dont make any clunking sounds and what type of ride they get from them.

 

NO, Your supposed to re-use your stock isolation sleeves from your oem springs. I have the same set-up as Andy's but have not installed it yet. I still need to purchase the 4TH Gen front upper strut mounts. Cluncking noise is probally due to not reusing the isolation sleeves.

 

Im not surprized that this happened, u see the problem andy had in the first place was his rear strut mounts. The place that installed em put them in kinda wrong. So it doesnt surprize me that they left out the sleeves. I think the same place he went to also installed his UDP but it didnt have a timing ring so as u can tell that didnt turn out too well. Andy I hope u got ur oem springs with the sleeves on em, if u do I think we should slap em on and hope that solves ur clunkin delema. If this works, I will opt for the modded AGX's and the 4th gen mounts ill just get from the dealer or something.

 

What bushing are you talking about???

 

I know its not called a bushing, its late Im tired and I cant remember anything

 

Ok so is there any1 here who has their modded AGX's in and it works perfect w/o any noise, clunking, ect... If their is please post it on here. Also approx how many miles dou guys got on the Blues?

 

Isolation sleeves, I have been told, reduce squeaking, not clunking. And I wouldn't have to get new springs, just some rubber which I could wrap around the front springs. John- we just gotta compress the fronts and put the wrap on them. PITA.

 

Well I didnt know u had the sleeves, The teins I got have some long ans thick A$$ sleeves on em and if I recall correctly I dont think ur has any but that clunkin is driving me nuts cuz I cant see what else it could be, surprizingly even the install was dont correct as far as I can tell and all the bolts were tight so If u do have the oem sleeves, I think u want to atleast try to see if that helps is some.
btw is PITA= pain in the @ss? not even I can remember everything.
The fronts are actually faster to remove then the rears.

 

Somebody, anybody could u atleast confirm this. I hate bumpin threads.

 

 

I second that.

AA

 

kinda off the subject but where di you get your berk intake??

 

Hey ToasterMax, I got it from the guy who use to run BerkTech, I think his name was Bryan Min, he's been out of business for a while now, too bad the intake is simple and effective and never got a bad maf or anything else, I'm thinking of buying Franken mid-pipe.


Cheers

AA

 

Well then what spring ya got with ur setup? Approx how many miles, if no1 here gives me any info about he AGX's workin perfectly im just gonna go with blues considering anything is better then stock.

 

I got the maxspeed spring, there been on since spring 2002, maybe 20 000 KM, I'm going for the KYB AGX, ajustable strut for lower max is really nice cuz in winter you can ride high and in summer low, I heard good stuff about KYB's. I think the tokikoe are great shock too but not ajustable so if your looking for a direct replacement no modifications require than, the tok are a good choice, but I prefer the KYB'S, for the noise it is very possible it's cause by the missing rubber sleeve on the bottom of the shock, many installer forgot to install it.

God luck.

AA

 

Thank U.