LordHowe

I have had a few kills ever since i got my 2003 automatic max. ranging anywhere from civics to 240sx, but never had a chance to race anything that's got around 250 hp. my friend has a 2002 grand prix gtp and he's been running his mouth. i just wanna ask everyone what are my chances of winning against a stock gtp? my car is completely stock besides 18 x 8 oz racing superlaggera 3 piece forged wrapped in yokahoma avs sports.
I think the GPT is suppose to run the 60 in 6.7 seconds, i know it's rated for 240 hp but no idea on the torque. what do you guys think?

thx ahead of your inputs

SR20DEN

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The race will be won from the launch. Overall both cars are pretty even. The GTP is a pretty good hole shot car for a FWD so make sure you don't blow off your tires or you'll lose.

ToasterMax

Those cars are very, very fast. But its a pontiac so it wont stay fast for long. Race in about 40,000 miles when his car is falling apart.

LordHowe

alright, the gtp has 280 lb/ft of torque at 3200 rpm, which is pretty impressive! but the max is probably around 270 (i'm making this judgement based on everyone's 230+ pound feet stock dynos) even though nissan only claimed 246. what about from a 20 mph roll off to 120mph? i was hoping the max's top end might be better than the GTPs, what do you guys think

thx!

LordHowe

Those cars are very, very fast. But its a pontiac so it wont stay fast for long. Race in about 40,000 miles when his car is falling apart.

LordHowe

Those cars are very, very fast. But its a pontiac so it wont stay fast for long. Race in about 40,000 miles when his car is falling apart.

that's funny as $hit!!! hahahah

nismotech

Auto Vs. Auto GTP probably got the upper hand from a stop. Since its got huge amount of torque. "Supercharger"

I would suggest a rolling start.

Craig Mack

They aren't very very fast. My friends 2000 Camaro SS 6spd is very very fast. The GTP is a quick car for a sedan. Too bad the 3.5VQ makes more HP and ALMOST as much torque as the GTP's roots blown 3.8L. The Maxima is a faster car by a few ticks, but the GTP's has a little more available low end torque, and are good FWD launchers. It will be a drivers race probubly, but i'd say the Maxima will edge it out without too much problem.

95emeraldgxe

if its stock vs stock, i'll put my money on the maxima(assuming you got good tires), if the gtp is modded, then it might be different

slickrick

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NT2SHBBY

I'd definitely agree...I had a great kill over the weekend myself -- brand new Audi S4 meets up with me on the Clearview Expressway, me in the left lane him in the right....we look at each other and hit it, after a few seconds, I couldn't see him anymore in my rearview mirror...boy was I gone....

Anyway...to respond to the original post, what are you doing racing a Civic with a Maxima???

F23A4

Yup. Modded GTPs (and Regal GSs) do run mid-13s. But, stock vs Stock, my money's on the Max.

Padsy

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hawks25

Stock vs. stock? Drivers race. He who burns off the launch (between these two cars)---loses.

Quicksilver

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This is as close to a dead even opponent as there ever will be. It's all the driver. If I'm not mistaken, the GTP has a higher stall TQ converter too...

PrinzII

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I have already decimated a GTP from a roll 3 times straight. Let's just say he was not a happy camper.

From a start, I got by a Regal GS (blown) but that was due to me spinning the tires. If I had hooked up, I would have decimated him easily.

The key thing you have to learn about the 3800 is that it makes a lot of power on the low end of the power band. If you launch an auto Max around 1500-2000 RPM, the GTP's holeshot is negated, unless there is wheelspin from the Potenzas. From a roll, you will destroy him.

BLKMAX005SPD

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ture dat....maximas all the way

milellie111

The Kia Sephia will dust both of those cars!!

ch13f

I think GTPs have a governer set around 115 or 120, soo race at least once from a roll and wave goodbye when he hits it. Its not exactly fair but ehh.. hes got a supercharger and you don't

F23A4

Yeah but the Optima will pull hard on the Sephia.

vqman

in a race you guys will be close, they are pretty even...the best way to shut him up is to let him drive your car.

let him experience the quality that is in the Maxima.

I've driven a modded GT-P, and it was a pretty quick car, but it doesn't inspire confidence in turns (their "Wider is Better" slogan is B.S.)

If/When he drives it, make sure he takes some corners with it, and have him take off quickly from a stop light while turning left. My friends GT-P couldn't handle quick turning from a stop...the steering felt disconnected from the driver. and the steering wheel was shaking pretty bad. After I got back into my Maxima.

Have you ever driven a BMW? you know how it steers 10 times better than your Maxima? well the Maxima feels at least 5 times better than the GT-P. It's not quite the amazing difference you'll feel stepping up to an M3 from the Maxima, but he'll notice a difference if you let him drive it hard in the turns...

-vq

bobcat

pfft the 85 dodge reliant has us all beat

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/the_reliant.html

max...to the ma

ur right on most but id watch out if its the new model that has 260 Hp and 280 torque. dont no if they sell it yet tho. too bad it still takes them 3.8l supercharged to make 260 when our 3.5 makes 255 (or more precisely 245)

99/00 I30t

My money's on the GTP or you will be dead even. I have been beat by more then a few modded GTP's

2k1GrayMaxSE

40,000 miles? Pontiac must have made drastic improvements in their reliability/durability. I'd have said 5,000-10,000 miles!

MONTE 01&97 SE

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For one you were beat by modded GTP's the one he is against is not. So an auto 02/03 and a GTP are pretty much even 0-60 and the Max will take it up high no doubt. you shouldnt have any problems with non modded GTP's if you can drive that 6spd to its potential.

HitManSE

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Im sure its at 108mph.

ch13f

even better... wtf was Pontiac thinking

HitManSE

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Ironlord

i used to have a grand prix, and was pretty active on their boards. the GTP runs anywhere from a 14.2-14.7 stock. yes, they have 240hp, 280 tq - but the car weighs almost 3700 lbs. with their stock roots blower, they have the capability to be mad fast, with a few cheap mods (couple hundred), you can get them in the mid to upper 13's depending on the driver.

i was considering between my 2k1 max and a 2k1 gtp and doublechecked a lot of stuff. the max is an infinitely nicer car, and the gtp compares well against the 3L 5 speed, a 3.5 auto should take it. the torque negates the GTP holeshot by a lot and the GTP has NO breath up top whatsoever...

and the GTP is limited to 128, not 108- thats the base model. but there is a simple, cheap mod to turn the limiter off...

wantasupra3

you will keep up if your transmission doesnt slip!!!...I think the Maxima Autos are overrated (and i know..i have one)

Dave B

I wouldn't exactly say 14.2s out of stock GTPs are the norm. Most stock GTPs are in the upper 14s/low 15s (14.7-15.0s) in stock form. The GTPs advantage is it's 0-40mph acceleration. After that it falls on it's face. On a stock or typically modified GTP, just look at the first 1/8 mile compared to thier last 1/8 mile. They're stout as hell and then lay down. Rockers seem to help out the topend of the GTP, but not a huge amount of GTP owners run the rockers yet. Lots of the mid to high 13-second GTPs aren't even going 100mph in the 1/4 mile.

The GTP is a musclecar.


Dave

Ironlord

i didn't mean to imply that the gtp runs a 14.2 norm, but i remember hearing of some factory freaks down there. most were mid to upper 14s. but you're exactly right on about the GTP performance dave.

F23A4

Exactly. I would also point out that the GTP/GTX does have a supercharger, so they ARE more responsive to mods (as is any forced induction motor) versus any NA Maxima.

vqman

friend of mine that has a GTP, he's got an aftermarket pully, CAI...
Z rated tires...
only ran a 14.7 at KCIR

I wonder what it is about 1000ft of elevation...it's not that much...I ran only a 14.99 in my Maxima....

6 speed!

but that wasn't at the same track, KCIR is supposed to be better, I'm going Sunday!

-vq

Dave B

My bad. I guess I'm just use to the Club GP guys telling me it's a given that a GTP runs low to mid 14s with a good driver. I completely believe that there have been a few stock GTPs hitting 14.2-14.5, but the norm is upper 14s low 15s. There's always those guys that seem to be significantly faster than everyone else. They definately respond better to mods simply because of the SC. I could never own a GTP, but I don't blame anyone that does own one because they can be wicked and bang-for-the-buck is far better than the Maxima......from a power standpoint.


Dave

Dave B

Ask the Club GP what they think about KCIR. They race here every year during their huge yearly meet and nearly all the out-of-state guys are typically .4-.7 seconds and 3-5mph slower at KCIR. They hate the place with a passion. They 60' like they do at their tracks, but they're much slower overall at KCIR for some reason.

Your buddies 14.7 with those mods doesn't surprise me. Most of the 3.4" pulley/I/E GTPs at KCIR are in the 14.4-14.8 range. I usually trap higher than them, but they usually get me in the first 100'. We'll see how they do now that I've got the ECU



Dave

vqman

power only...as it is a less expensive car with similar power.

have you driven one? the steering on those things feels like it was contrived by a shade tree mechanic...

-vq

SR20DEN

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Don't you dare leave untill you're down to 14.6 or better.

vqman

uh oh..don't let your brother see my pontiac posts...

I am shooting for 14.5...

-vq