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Old Apr 4, 2003 | 12:04 PM
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ECU update from heaven!

My work order had the word "WOW" on it. I paid the $37 to have them do it rather than put my stock intake back on. I never realized how much of a lag my car had. My car shifts more smoothly and I have absolutely no more lag. The car runs awesome now! I really was not expecting such dramatic results and quite honestly expected to feel no difference. I was scared that I would pay $37 and they would just tell me it's done. My service advisor pulled the wrong TSB (manual tsb) and the tech said it wouldn't flash. Obviously I was scared that they screwed the car up, but they didn't. I told my service advisor of the correct tsb and I saw the tech programing the ECU. The throttle is much more responsive now!
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 12:08 PM
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My MAF just came in, will have mine done Monday along with replacement BOSE CD changer...absolutely cannot wait!
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 12:18 PM
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Old Apr 4, 2003 | 12:44 PM
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Re: ECU update from heaven!

Originally posted by Virus
My work order had the word "WOW" on it. I paid the $37 to have them do it rather than put my stock intake back on. I never realized how much of a lag my car had. My car shifts more smoothly and I have absolutely no more lag. The car runs awesome now! I really was not expecting such dramatic results and quite honestly expected to feel no difference. I was scared that I would pay $37 and they would just tell me it's done. My service advisor pulled the wrong TSB (manual tsb) and the tech said it wouldn't flash. Obviously I was scared that they screwed the car up, but they didn't. I told my service advisor of the correct tsb and I saw the tech programing the ECU. The throttle is much more responsive now!
Why did you have to pay $37?
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 01:03 PM
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Why did you have to pay $37?
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 01:07 PM
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My work order had the word "WOW" on it. I paid the $37 to have them do it rather than put my stock intake back on. I never realized how much of a lag my car had. My car shifts more smoothly and I have absolutely no more lag. The car runs awesome now! I really was not expecting such dramatic results and quite honestly expected to feel no difference. I was scared that I would pay $37 and they would just tell me it's done. My service advisor pulled the wrong TSB (manual tsb) and the tech said it wouldn't flash. Obviously I was scared that they screwed the car up, but they didn't. I told my service advisor of the correct tsb and I saw the tech programing the ECU. The throttle is much more responsive now!

Where did you get it done at? My local dealer sucks.

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Well it must just be me, because when I go to my dealership to get a TSB performed, I do not have to pay anything!
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 01:19 PM
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Well it must just be me, because when I go to my dealership to get a TSB performed, I do not have to pay anything!
For the Org. memebers who have had this done. Was there a labor charge for getting this TSB done or was it covered under warranty??? Does it differ from dealer to dealer???
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by clipse

For the Org. memebers who have had this done. Was there a labor charge for getting this TSB done or was it covered under warranty??? Does it differ from dealer to dealer???
You do not have to pay to have the TSB done. They can try and argue with you all you want, but they must fix it. The only time I can see them make you pay for it is if you are past the bumper to bumper warranty, but even then, the 5/60 "should" cover it, since it is powertrain related.
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Originally posted by Quicksilver


You do not have to pay to have the TSB done. They can try and argue with you all you want, but they must fix it. The only time I can see them make you pay for it is if you are past the bumper to bumper warranty, but even then, the 5/60 "should" cover it, since it is powertrain related.
Thanks for the info Quicksilver. My car is only 5-6 months old and has about 1,800 miles on it so I'm very well within' the factory warranties.
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:01 PM
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For the Org. memebers who have had this done. Was there a labor charge for getting this TSB done or was it covered under warranty??? Does it differ from dealer to dealer???
Originally posted by Igor911
Come on IGOR its time for you to chime in, since it seems like you have the answer!!
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by clipse

For the Org. memebers who have had this done. Was there a labor charge for getting this TSB done or was it covered under warranty??? Does it differ from dealer to dealer???
Warranty for me
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:13 PM
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Can I get this done for my 2K?
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:15 PM
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So this TSB or any TSB performed is covered by warranty correct???
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Virus
My work order had the word "WOW" on it. I paid the $37 to have them do it rather than put my stock intake back on. I never realized how much of a lag my car had. My car shifts more smoothly and I have absolutely no more lag. The car runs awesome now! I really was not expecting such dramatic results and quite honestly expected to feel no difference. I was scared that I would pay $37 and they would just tell me it's done. My service advisor pulled the wrong TSB (manual tsb) and the tech said it wouldn't flash. Obviously I was scared that they screwed the car up, but they didn't. I told my service advisor of the correct tsb and I saw the tech programing the ECU. The throttle is much more responsive now!
Please describe the "lag" you experienced in your auto as best as possible. I have a 2k3 and don't really experience any lag. Yet, I'm very interested in seeing if this TSB applies to me as well. Are you talking off the line lag, or lag when you jump on the gas while cruising. Does the lag happen at certain speeds or rpms? Thanks
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by clipse
So this TSB or any TSB performed is covered by warranty correct???
I think the correct way to phrase it would be: if the TSB covers a problem that can be / is reproduced by your dealer, the TSB is covered by warranty (i.e. they're fixing an issue with your car, which is still under warranty).

It sounds like some dealers are going with "can't find a problem, so no TSB implementation for you"

Peter, you asked about symptoms: this was posted by 10e:

It's relatively easy to reproduce. The reason people talk about it in LOW gears, is because the ratios are conducive to the engine having a "stronger" effect on the wheels. It CAN happen at lower revs, but when you are at 1,000 RPM in second gear, you can't expect the car to really pull hard right away.

My way:

1) Drive steadily at any speed, or even at idle in the first three gears. I would say second is the best to feel it. First is too torquey I find.

2) Hit the accelerator. Depending on how sensitive you are to the car, do it slowly or quickly.

Do not repeat this right away if it doesn't happen the first time, because for some reason when you double pump the gas, it does not happen as noticeably the second time/press. Wait a bit and try it again. Here is exactly what you will notice:

The car starts to pull properly when you hit the gas a bit. Then all of a sudden, it seems to stop pulling, as if you just took your foot off the gas, and seems to be holding back. You may even hear the engine get loud, but acceleration is far too gradual and slow, until about 3,000 to 3,500 RPM (this varies). Then all of a sudden it responds as if you mashed your foot into the throttle and shoots forward, thus the bucking complaint. In lower gears, this is atrocious, in higher gears on the highway it's irritating. I've had guests notice this as well. It can happen at any time up to 2,000 RPM, from idle speed up, it doesn't necessarily stop as soon as you hit 3,000 RPM, it just doesn't happen as often. And no, the revs do not drop, but they do seem to "try" to.

I can also sometimes replicate the problem by hitting the gas a bit, then gradually lowering my foot, and I hit a "spot" where it does not seem like my foot is going down at all on the throttle, and yet it is, or it is like I raised my foot almost to no throttle!
My experience is that if the ECU flash helps the throttle lag problem, it's only minimally. My car does "feel" a little faster, but I could just be imagining it.
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Maximax2


I think the correct way to phrase it would be: if the TSB covers a problem that can be / is reproduced by your dealer, the TSB is covered by warranty (i.e. they're fixing an issue with your car, which is still under warranty).

It sounds like some dealers are going with "can't find a problem, so no TSB implementation for you"
So if the dealer can't reproduce the problem you are having. "NO TSB work for me???"... So basically it goes what I said earler: It does depend/differ from dealer to dealer right???
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:47 PM
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When I originally took my car to the dealership, my service advisor said that he would fix the car via the TSB which I brought after printing here on the org. The tech that worked on my car opened the hood and alerted the service manager and he went to my service advisor and said, "No way". My service advisor said, "go home and put your OEM intake system back in and then bring it back to us and we'll do it". I don't have all of the bolts to the OEM intake, but he said that he would get some for me. After thinking about it for a while, I realised that the hour or so that it would take to switch intakes wasn't worth $37. I asked my service advisor if I could just pay the $37 for the 1/2 work and his boss said, "sure. Bring it in." He said that my MAF didn't need to be replaced, but he had a look on his face like, "I forgot to check".

I've never reset my ECU after all of my mods, so that may have something to do with the performance. I didn't expect this to help much, but for me, it helped tremendously. My car shifts more quickly.

My lag was never from a stop, it was always while in 3rd or 4th gear and punching it. My shifts were very long and drawn out and my throttle is definately more responsive. As far as more HP, I would have to say probably not, but the car seems faster due to the more sensative throttle.
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 02:53 PM
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Re: Re: ECU update from heaven!

Originally posted by look2me40



Where did you get it done at? My local dealer sucks.

Tom O'Connell at Browns Nissan Fairfax (703)591-8009
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Virus


Tom O'Connell at Browns Nissan Fairfax (703)591-8009

Cool. Thanks.
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by PeterUbers


Please describe the "lag" you experienced in your auto as best as possible. I have a 2k3 and don't really experience any lag. Yet, I'm very interested in seeing if this TSB applies to me as well. Are you talking off the line lag, or lag when you jump on the gas while cruising. Does the lag happen at certain speeds or rpms? Thanks


oh... just wait you'll feel the lag soon....
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 11:26 PM
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Any canadian owners?

Have any canadian 2k2/2k3 owners had their car fixed? I went in today to get mine done and was instead chastized by my service manager. He states that "Service bulletins are just that .. BULLETINS and not RECALLS". He grudgingly took the car and said he'd see if it applied to mine.

Four hours later, he asks me where I got the bulletin as it isn't even out in canada yet .. that they know nothing of this fix and it wasn't given to them on "their latest cd-rom" .. ugh.

He chastizes me again and says i shouldn't pull "american tsb" because it doesn't apply to our cars.

Great. and i took work off to get this done

Anyone know if I have any recourse with Nissan Canada or North america? I *have* the lag, it's not just a case of my wanting the update done!
Old Apr 5, 2003 | 04:54 AM
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I guess our update was the canadian version
Old Apr 5, 2003 | 06:33 AM
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What is ECU? I know it's probably a stupid question but I just bought a brand new automatic 2k3 SE on Thursday and I'm wondering if this is something I should have done. Is it just resetting the computer? I'm not planning on doing anything major to the intake while it's under warranty, I'm just going to put in a K&N performance air filter, so do I need to have this done? Thanks.
Old Apr 5, 2003 | 10:28 AM
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Intake equal $37.00

Virus mentioned this previously:

He had a non-standard intake in it, and instead of taking it out to get it for free (warranty) they let him keep it in, and charged him $37.00 for half an hour of service.

I think that's right.

Goddammit I'm getting antsy. If my dealership in Canada doesn't fix my car soon, I'm going to rip Nissan Canada a new hole. Seems like the info on nissan-techinfo . com does apply to Can. Nissans.

What a load.

Enjoy the car Virus! Congrats.

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Old Apr 5, 2003 | 01:14 PM
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Re: Any canadian owners?

Originally posted by CrippenX
Have any canadian 2k2/2k3 owners had their car fixed? I went in today to get mine done and was instead chastized by my service manager. He states that "Service bulletins are just that .. BULLETINS and not RECALLS". He grudgingly took the car and said he'd see if it applied to mine.

Four hours later, he asks me where I got the bulletin as it isn't even out in canada yet .. that they know nothing of this fix and it wasn't given to them on "their latest cd-rom" .. ugh.

He chastizes me again and says i shouldn't pull "american tsb" because it doesn't apply to our cars.

Great. and i took work off to get this done

Anyone know if I have any recourse with Nissan Canada or North america? I *have* the lag, it's not just a case of my wanting the update done!
I had the same experience, booked an appointment with a junior guy at the dealership. A few hours after I dropped the car off the service manager phones me to tell me they haven't got the bulletin yet, and that the TSB number only applies to US cars (Canadian cars are different he tells me ). This guy was nice to me and said that its quite possible they'll get an update soon, but nothing had been released yet. The even hooked the car to the Consult to ensure I had the most recent ECU programs. He said I should check back in a month to see if they've got the update.
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I had the same experience, booked an appointment with a junior guy at the dealership. A few hours after I dropped the car off the service manager phones me to tell me they haven't got the bulletin yet, and that the TSB number only applies to US cars (Canadian cars are different he tells me ). This guy was nice to me and said that its quite possible they'll get an update soon, but nothing had been released yet. The even hooked the car to the Consult to ensure I had the most recent ECU programs. He said I should check back in a month to see if they've got the update.
sigh, same bad experience, huh? Please keep me posted on the results of your dealings with dealership. I will try and have this issue escalated with nissan canada somehow. It's the SAME damn car, i'm tired of their b.s.

I had forgotten to mention that they hooked my car up to the consul also (or so they say) and that mine didn't give out any error codes .. but from what i understand, it's not an error code we're looking for, right? but rather an ecu series # that represents a 'batch with incorrect ecu programming' .. or something along those lines?
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Originally posted by BiggD23
What is ECU? I know it's probably a stupid question but I just bought a brand new automatic 2k3 SE on Thursday and I'm wondering if this is something I should have done. Is it just resetting the computer? I'm not planning on doing anything major to the intake while it's under warranty, I'm just going to put in a K&N performance air filter, so do I need to have this done? Thanks.
The ECU is the computer that controls the car. Actually it's more complicated than that, but that's the easy definition.
Old Apr 5, 2003 | 05:34 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Any canadian owners?

Welcome to the club,

Altanissan in Richmond Hill indicated that:

A) They couldn't replicate my complaint
B) There are no outstanding re-calls/TSBs.

I inquired to ASIST in the U.S. about this, and they mentioned that the info on their site is "intended" for the U.S. dealers, BUT the technical information may apply to both U.S. and Canadian models, but that Nissan Canada is responsible for distributing this info to the Canadian dealers. I'm assuming this means "monthly CDs".

MiniRX7 (another Canadian) has indicated that he has one of the last 5th gen 2k3 Maximas around (December 2002) and seems to still have the hesitation, and is anxiously waiting for the fix. He's the one who suspects he may have ripped a motor mount due to the bucking of his engine on acceleration in his 2K2 (which was subsequently totalled).

I'm going to my dealership on Tuesday (Doner Nissan in Newmarket) armed with the intention of getting a fix, but failing that, at least to make them aware that there definitely is a problem. I have both the hesitation (feels like I'm double pumping the throttle on accel.) and the "power loss" (feels like I'm driving with the parking brake on until 4,000 RPM) in my Altima, and I hate it. Especially considering that when it's cold it's not present AT ALL.

I also plan to go armed with a letter on how to replicate this problem. I can post it if you'd like or e-mail it to you, so that at least you can make your dealer aware that when a fix comes describing the general problem (when Nissan Canada magnanamously feels like publishing it to its dealers) that they will be likely to let you know. I think it's unfair that Nissan Canada is not distributing this info. I may also ask the guys to give me a printout of my ECM version so that I can verify whether it is 9j3080,9j3082 (030101, or whatever) so at least I can look forward to it being fixed soon. Like I said before, I've downloaded the ECM to my laptop, but I know asking them to use it is a good way to get my buTT thrown out of the service area.

Good luck,

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Originally posted by CrippenX


sigh, same bad experience, huh? Please keep me posted on the results of your dealings with dealership. I will try and have this issue escalated with nissan canada somehow. It's the SAME damn car, i'm tired of their b.s.

I had forgotten to mention that they hooked my car up to the consul also (or so they say) and that mine didn't give out any error codes .. but from what i understand, it's not an error code we're looking for, right? but rather an ecu series # that represents a 'batch with incorrect ecu programming' .. or something along those lines?
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Originally posted by 10e
Welcome to the club,

Altanissan in Richmond Hill indicated that:

A) They couldn't replicate my complaint
B) There are no outstanding re-calls/TSBs.

I inquired to ASIST in the U.S. about this, and they mentioned that the info on their site is "intended" for the U.S. dealers, BUT the technical information may apply to both U.S. and Canadian models, but that Nissan Canada is responsible for distributing this info to the Canadian dealers. I'm assuming this means "monthly CDs".

MiniRX7 (another Canadian) has indicated that he has one of the last 5th gen 2k3 Maximas around (December 2002) and seems to still have the hesitation, and is anxiously waiting for the fix. He's the one who suspects he may have ripped a motor mount due to the bucking of his engine on acceleration in his 2K2 (which was subsequently totalled).

I'm going to my dealership on Tuesday (Doner Nissan in Newmarket) armed with the intention of getting a fix, but failing that, at least to make them aware that there definitely is a problem. I have both the hesitation (feels like I'm double pumping the throttle on accel.) and the "power loss" (feels like I'm driving with the parking brake on until 4,000 RPM) in my Altima, and I hate it. Especially considering that when it's cold it's not present AT ALL.

I also plan to go armed with a letter on how to replicate this problem. I can post it if you'd like or e-mail it to you, so that at least you can make your dealer aware that when a fix comes describing the general problem (when Nissan Canada magnanamously feels like publishing it to its dealers) that they will be likely to let you know. I think it's unfair that Nissan Canada is not distributing this info. I may also ask the guys to give me a printout of my ECM version so that I can verify whether it is 9j3080,9j3082 (030101, or whatever) so at least I can look forward to it being fixed soon. Like I said before, I've downloaded the ECM to my laptop, but I know asking them to use it is a good way to get my buTT thrown out of the service area.

Good luck,

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good luck 10e, i hope headway is made soon. It's grossly unfair and ridiculous that we can't benefit from this too when clearly it affects us all.
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Re: ECU update from heaven!

Originally posted by Virus
My work order had the word "WOW" on it. I paid the $37 to have them do it rather than put my stock intake back on. I never realized how much of a lag my car had. My car shifts more smoothly and I have absolutely no more lag. The car runs awesome now! I really was not expecting such dramatic results and quite honestly expected to feel no difference. I was scared that I would pay $37 and they would just tell me it's done. My service advisor pulled the wrong TSB (manual tsb) and the tech said it wouldn't flash. Obviously I was scared that they screwed the car up, but they didn't. I told my service advisor of the correct tsb and I saw the tech programing the ECU. The throttle is much more responsive now!
did you have the lag prior, or did you take it because of the thread on it?
Old Apr 6, 2003 | 04:57 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Any canadian owners?

Originally posted by CrippenX


good luck 10e, i hope headway is made soon. It's grossly unfair and ridiculous that we can't benefit from this too when clearly it affects us all.
I would recommend we all call Nissan customer satisfaction in Canada and explain the lack of aid we've received from them on this issue.

The number is: 1-800-268-6499

I'm calling on Monday morning, and I'm raising Hell.

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Re: Re: ECU update from heaven!

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did you have the lag prior, or did you take it because of the thread on it?
I knew I had some lag, but I didn't realize how bad it actually was until the ECU was updated.
Old Apr 6, 2003 | 12:28 PM
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Does this TSB also apply to 2000 Maximas ?
How do I find out whether my car also suffres from this problem ?
(I don't think there is much lag, but it's hard to judge unless you can make a direct comparison ...).
Old Apr 6, 2003 | 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by maxiiiboy
Does this TSB also apply to 2000 Maximas ?
How do I find out whether my car also suffres from this problem ?
(I don't think there is much lag, but it's hard to judge unless you can make a direct comparison ...).
Only 2k2's and 2k3's
Old Apr 7, 2003 | 11:07 AM
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I have noticed that my 2k2 also suffers from a similar problem.. When I jump on the gas, from time to time, around 6000 rpm it will get "stuck" and not continue to **** and accelerate, after about 3 seconds, it will shift gears and continue to run fine.. Is this the same thing? Anyone else had this problem?
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