350z power over 2k3 max?
04-22-2003, 09:18 PM
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Re: 350z power over 2k3 max?
Originally posted by MJE
what exactly did they do to get the same motor with 40 more horsepower?? (3.5 in max, vs same motor in 350z)
what exactly did they do to get the same motor with 40 more horsepower?? (3.5 in max, vs same motor in 350z)
04-22-2003, 09:20 PM
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which car is the faster car?? i heard the maximas are quicker...and i experienced it first hand..(i think)...i dusted a 350z the other day he blew by me beeped, and i dropped it into 5th, and caught up next to him, he accelerated and i beat his ***.
04-22-2003, 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by MJE
which car is the faster car?? i heard the maximas are quicker...and i experienced it first hand..(i think)...i dusted a 350z the other day he blew by me beeped, and i dropped it into 5th, and caught up next to him, he accelerated and i beat his ***.
which car is the faster car?? i heard the maximas are quicker...and i experienced it first hand..(i think)...i dusted a 350z the other day he blew by me beeped, and i dropped it into 5th, and caught up next to him, he accelerated and i beat his ***.
.... you dropped to 5th gear and beat his ****?
You wouldnt beat me if I were driving in that 350Z. Not when your car is stock.
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04-22-2003, 09:58 PM
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Re: 350z power over 2k3 max?
Originally posted by MJE
what exactly did they do to get the same motor with 40 more horsepower?? (3.5 in max, vs same motor in 350z)
what exactly did they do to get the same motor with 40 more horsepower?? (3.5 in max, vs same motor in 350z)
They basically tweaked the engine to get more horses out of it. Chrysler did this with their 3.5L engine... the Intrepid had 215HP stock, whereas the 300M had 250HP stock. Same thing... the 300M 3.5L was tweaked to produce more horsepower.
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04-22-2003, 11:28 PM
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Re: Re: 350z power over 2k3 max?
Originally posted by 255HP_03_SE
One of the first things you should have noticed is that the 3.5L in the 350Z is mounted regularly, rather than the 3.5L in the Maxima which is mounted transversely.
They basically tweaked the engine to get more horses out of it. Chrysler did this with their 3.5L engine... the Intrepid had 215HP stock, whereas the 300M had 250HP stock. Same thing... the 300M 3.5L was tweaked to produce more horsepower.
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One of the first things you should have noticed is that the 3.5L in the 350Z is mounted regularly, rather than the 3.5L in the Maxima which is mounted transversely.
They basically tweaked the engine to get more horses out of it. Chrysler did this with their 3.5L engine... the Intrepid had 215HP stock, whereas the 300M had 250HP stock. Same thing... the 300M 3.5L was tweaked to produce more horsepower.
-R
04-23-2003, 05:39 AM
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Re: Re: 350z power over 2k3 max?
Originally posted by 255HP_03_SE
One of the first things you should have noticed is that the 3.5L in the 350Z is mounted regularly, rather than the 3.5L in the Maxima which is mounted transversely.
They basically tweaked the engine to get more horses out of it. Chrysler did this with their 3.5L engine... the Intrepid had 215HP stock, whereas the 300M had 250HP stock. Same thing... the 300M 3.5L was tweaked to produce more horsepower.
-R
One of the first things you should have noticed is that the 3.5L in the 350Z is mounted regularly, rather than the 3.5L in the Maxima which is mounted transversely.
They basically tweaked the engine to get more horses out of it. Chrysler did this with their 3.5L engine... the Intrepid had 215HP stock, whereas the 300M had 250HP stock. Same thing... the 300M 3.5L was tweaked to produce more horsepower.
-R
Also, RWD vs FWD....RWD has more grip!
04-23-2003, 07:11 AM
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A friend of mine picked up his 350Z last week. He got the touring edition, 6 speed, loaded with everthing except NAV. All I can say is WOW! In my opinion, this is the best deal on the market for the price. I think he paid around 34K. The car is breathtaking. He got it in silver with black leather interior. We took it out and pushed it a little bit. The car is tight and almost feels like an exension of your body. The seats are really comfortable and the handling is superb. However, I was a little surprised with the power. In fact, in my opinion, and I'm being objective, I believe my 2k2 6spd Max is faster stock -vs- stock. It just didn't seem to pull like the Max. Maybe it loses more horses and torque in the transfer to the rear wheels. I told him, that the modding will start soon to unleash the engines full potential.
04-23-2003, 08:57 AM
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I dont think the engine in the Z was tweaked. I think our engine is capable of what the Z does (if nissan wanted us to). They just use the engine to its full potential on the Z. I think the Max,Altima, and Z really have the same horsepower. But why would you spend more on a max if the altima had the same horsepower? so they limit the altima. and of course the z has to have more since its a sportscar.
04-23-2003, 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by jttaylor155
I dont think the engine in the Z was tweaked. I think our engine is capable of what the Z does (if nissan wanted us to). They just use the engine to its full potential on the Z. I think the Max,Altima, and Z really have the same horsepower. But why would you spend more on a max if the altima had the same horsepower? so they limit the altima. and of course the z has to have more since its a sportscar.
I dont think the engine in the Z was tweaked. I think our engine is capable of what the Z does (if nissan wanted us to). They just use the engine to its full potential on the Z. I think the Max,Altima, and Z really have the same horsepower. But why would you spend more on a max if the altima had the same horsepower? so they limit the altima. and of course the z has to have more since its a sportscar.
04-23-2003, 09:15 AM
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It all depends on the intake design, exhaust design, ecu... The list goes on and on. The bore of the cylinders can be slightly larger....
It all depends on the intake design, exhaust design, ecu... The list goes on and on. The bore of the cylinders can be slightly larger....
04-23-2003, 10:37 AM
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Its mainly in the intake manifold. If you notice the 02-03 flatline at around 5500 but the 350z keeps gaining and gaining kind of like the 00-01 maxima dynos. The 350z is a faster car and will rip a 02-03 maxima a new one with equal drivers trust me. The highway power is unreal with the 350z.
04-23-2003, 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by jttaylor155
I dont think the engine in the Z was tweaked. I think our engine is capable of what the Z does (if nissan wanted us to). They just use the engine to its full potential on the Z. I think the Max,Altima, and Z really have the same horsepower. But why would you spend more on a max if the altima had the same horsepower? so they limit the altima. and of course the z has to have more since its a sportscar.
I dont think the engine in the Z was tweaked. I think our engine is capable of what the Z does (if nissan wanted us to). They just use the engine to its full potential on the Z. I think the Max,Altima, and Z really have the same horsepower. But why would you spend more on a max if the altima had the same horsepower? so they limit the altima. and of course the z has to have more since its a sportscar.
04-23-2003, 11:49 AM
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Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
04-23-2003, 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
04-23-2003, 02:11 PM
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Have you driven one Dave?
Because if u havent, it's like looking
at the Mets on paper and saying they have a great team (I'm a Mets fan BTW). I drove one and pushed it and "Ravaz" migrated to one from a 2k3 6spd and feels that it's faster, but not by much.
Because if u havent, it's like looking
at the Mets on paper and saying they have a great team (I'm a Mets fan BTW). I drove one and pushed it and "Ravaz" migrated to one from a 2k3 6spd and feels that it's faster, but not by much.
04-23-2003, 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by SilverMax02
Have you driven one Dave?
Because if u havent, it's like looking
at the Mets on paper and saying they have a great team (I'm a Mets fan BTW). I drove one and pushed it and "Ravaz" migrated to one from a 2k3 6spd and feels that it's faster, but not by much.
Have you driven one Dave?
Because if u havent, it's like looking
at the Mets on paper and saying they have a great team (I'm a Mets fan BTW). I drove one and pushed it and "Ravaz" migrated to one from a 2k3 6spd and feels that it's faster, but not by much.
whatever.
04-23-2003, 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
Also, for Dyno of 350Z, my friend dynoed his Z and it put down around 228hp and 225tq. Maybe the dyno was screwed up but that is what it put down.
I am pretty sure a properly driven 6-speed Max can ran with 350Z no problem.
04-23-2003, 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Dany
14.8@95mph for a 6-speed Max is pretty slow I would say. Stock 6-speed Max should be able to run low 14s.
Also, for Dyno of 350Z, my friend dynoed his Z and it put down around 228hp and 225tq. Maybe the dyno was screwed up but that is what it put down.
I am pretty sure a properly driven 6-speed Max can ran with 350Z no problem.
14.8@95mph for a 6-speed Max is pretty slow I would say. Stock 6-speed Max should be able to run low 14s.
Also, for Dyno of 350Z, my friend dynoed his Z and it put down around 228hp and 225tq. Maybe the dyno was screwed up but that is what it put down.
I am pretty sure a properly driven 6-speed Max can ran with 350Z no problem.
whatever.
04-23-2003, 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by 255HP_03_SE
whatever.
whatever.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=183264
04-23-2003, 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by 02MaximaSE
at the track down here, ,a 350z track edition was pulling 13.8's at 109 mph with just k&n filter, or so he says. But upon inspection it was still stock, new car smell and 3,288 miles on the ODO
at the track down here, ,a 350z track edition was pulling 13.8's at 109 mph with just k&n filter, or so he says. But upon inspection it was still stock, new car smell and 3,288 miles on the ODO
04-23-2003, 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
Stock 2K2+ Maxima 6 speed dyno: 205-210fwhp / 215-220fwtq
Stock 2K3 350 6 speed dyno: 235-240rwhp / 230-235rwhtq
A stock 2K2+ Maxima isn't going to hang with a 350Z if the Z driver is halfway competent. VQMan (2K3 6 speed) managed a high 14.8@95mph at my track on a cold day. A few weeks ago I watched a bonestock 350Z with aftermarket 19s do a 14.46@98mph in 85 degree heat. Enough said.
Dave
04-23-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by blubyu2k2
Its mainly in the intake manifold. If you notice the 02-03 flatline at around 5500 but the 350z keeps gaining and gaining kind of like the 00-01 maxima dynos. The 350z is a faster car and will rip a 02-03 maxima a new one with equal drivers trust me. The highway power is unreal with the 350z.
Its mainly in the intake manifold. If you notice the 02-03 flatline at around 5500 but the 350z keeps gaining and gaining kind of like the 00-01 maxima dynos. The 350z is a faster car and will rip a 02-03 maxima a new one with equal drivers trust me. The highway power is unreal with the 350z.
04-23-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
Well my wife doesnt walk me or vis versa when we switch and both are competent drivers manual and auto, and those times are slow for the 6spd Max.
Well my wife doesnt walk me or vis versa when we switch and both are competent drivers manual and auto, and those times are slow for the 6spd Max.
04-23-2003, 03:36 PM
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I own both. I drive both. I have dyno'd both.
The Z is faster. The reason that it doesn't "pull" on the butt dyno like the Maxima does is because the HP line is very very smooth. The Maxima has a break between 3400 and 3700 RPMs where the butterfly valve finally opens. And the torque on the Z is smooth as well, so you don't get a slow-then-fast feeling like the Max does.
All in all, the Z is faster. If you blew one away, he was probably on his cell phone. If he was really racing, he'd taken you.
Look at my sig to see the dyno results.
The Z is faster. The reason that it doesn't "pull" on the butt dyno like the Maxima does is because the HP line is very very smooth. The Maxima has a break between 3400 and 3700 RPMs where the butterfly valve finally opens. And the torque on the Z is smooth as well, so you don't get a slow-then-fast feeling like the Max does.
All in all, the Z is faster. If you blew one away, he was probably on his cell phone. If he was really racing, he'd taken you.
Look at my sig to see the dyno results.
04-23-2003, 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
Shes cool!
Shes cool!
Gotta love a woman who knows how to drive fast cars!To stay on topic, the Z has a superior (to our car anyway) intake, more agressive tuning, and if I remember correctly, higher compression pistons. It also has a more freely flowing dual exhaust setup. More air in and out, and more fuel added to the mix usually means more power. It's RWD setup is ideal for traction while accelerating, turning, and has been proven over and over again in both theory and operation. All wheel drive setups are superior in acceleration and mid speed handling, but for top speed performance, it's got to be RWD for maximum effectiveness (and less overall parasitic loss). Now, there are plenty of fast FWD and AWD cars, but AWD cars are more expensive to produce and are heavier overall in their respective segments. FWD cars just can't hang with similar powered & weighted RWD cars because of the physical dynamics of the platform. They also can't turn or drift like RWD cars can (they tend to understeer...sometimes severely when the brakes are applied too hastily). There are valid reasons for all of the platforms to exist and for each of their overall uses. Think of all the current races (leagues/types)...NASCAR, IRL, LeMans, NHRA...all use RWD cars (well, 99% of them overall are).
04-23-2003, 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by slickrick
im not sure whats so funny.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=183264
im not sure whats so funny.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=183264
04-23-2003, 07:26 PM
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checked...unless you emailed me and you have MJblahblah@aol.com
04-23-2003, 07:33 PM
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checked...unless you emailed me and you have MJblahblah@aol.com
checked...unless you emailed me and you have MJblahblah@aol.com
mjethier@bellatlantic.net i sent it there.
04-23-2003, 10:10 PM
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04-23-2003, 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dany
14.8@95mph for a 6-speed Max is pretty slow I would say. Stock 6-speed Max should be able to run low 14s.
Also, for Dyno of 350Z, my friend dynoed his Z and it put down around 228hp and 225tq. Maybe the dyno was screwed up but that is what it put down.
I am pretty sure a properly driven 6-speed Max can ran with 350Z no problem.
14.8@95mph for a 6-speed Max is pretty slow I would say. Stock 6-speed Max should be able to run low 14s.
Also, for Dyno of 350Z, my friend dynoed his Z and it put down around 228hp and 225tq. Maybe the dyno was screwed up but that is what it put down.
I am pretty sure a properly driven 6-speed Max can ran with 350Z no problem.