Wow.. the new TL seems to be upping the maxes. I hope Nissan will put the q45 engines soon to compete..

 

Speaking of Q45...compared to the same class cars, weird how it's not as fast. E430/500, LS430, BMW 540, all faster then the Q45...kinda wierd.

 

They are going to have to raise the bar on the '04 G35 sedan then. That's the only way I see it...

 

Don't count on it. Nissan would never drop its premier engine into a lesser car than the Q. I mean, why would they? There would be even less incentive for people to drop $50K+ AND the whole Infiniti line being one upped by the lowly Nissan line...

don't think so...

 

Umm...didn't they use that engine in the M45 and possibly the FX45 also?

I know they aren't badged as Nissans, but they are considered "lower" than the Q45.

 

Yes, they sure did. But would you pay $45K for a Nissan M45? Probably not, and that's why it's called an Infiniti...

That's like the whole VW dilemma...they have high end cars and low end cars...$40K to $18K in their current lineup.

 

Yes, but he specifically mentioned the Q, to which I was responding.

Also, try pricing out FX and M 45's...you are still around the $40-$50K territory...lower than the Q, yes, but beyond anything badged a Nissan.

 

Yea Maximas were a better value in the past. With 04 Max's MSRP at 34/35K.......I suspect the new TL's will be competitive with loaded 04 Max's. I hope Acura does put a 6spd in the TL's finally.......

 

Possibly. If they are not considering that route, they should either upgrade the vq35de or come out with vq40 or something. Nissan has become popular b/c of thier engines.. so

 

What good does 280hp do if its FWD? Traction problems?

 

Oh, about the same as those on this .org running boosted Max's around 300hp.

 

Or Mardi and his high 11 second runs He's at 400 WHP...

 

just wondering ..what rims and tires is he running on?

Im just thinking that they might make it RWD!

 

hey im off topic here but i heard the 04 max is coming out with a 2 door coupe sports model?? is any pat of that true or no?? just wondering cuz i cant wait till they make a 2 door max....my 2k max is as good as traded... wll except if it looks like the 04 max..EEEWWWWWWW

 

I heard Elvis is still alive and working at a gas station.

 

FWD CARS CANT GET ANY FASTER THAN THE MAX. THE 2004 MAX
IS SLOWER THAN MY 2k2 6 speed- & "04 ITS MORE POWERFULL- SO ILL SMOKE
ANY TLS IN A WHEELSPIN - 0-60 in 6.0 1/4 mile in 14.6 stock.
AND THE NEW GRAND PRIX- Supercharged piece of ****-aint goin nowhere
MAXIMAS RULE- till I get MY MB E55 AMG

 

Too bad -my 2k2 3.5 6 speed 0-60 in 6.0 / 1/4 mile 14.6
STOCK!!!!
FWD CARS CANNOT GET FASTER THAN THE MAX- even the '04 Max is
slower than the 2k2/2k3's and the '04 is more powerfull.
So ACURA can suck a fat one -Ill smoke any TL-S w/280 hp
or the new GRAND PRIX w/280 hp while they stuck in a wheelspin-
Supercharged piece of ****-

 

 

That's a great first post man. You have great pride in your Maxima, good for you!!

 

what...the 02/03 maxima's smokes my 00 5 speed and you have 33 more hp...
to 35 more hp is alot

 

the new dodge neon is front wheel drive...that will smoke our cars ***

 

This thread has turned to $hit!

 

a fully loaded fx45 is ~$55k

 

Gone are the glory days of 4DSC. The best Max ever made was 4th gen, the design, the power, the price, and the reliability. I am sure many of you folks would want to drop your hard-earned 30 grand into smthg better than 6th gen and can't really blame you for it. This goes beyond the brand loyalty. You gotta constantly change and try other things if you want to stay @ top of the game.

 

Very well said!

 

Here's a quick piece of info: The 260hp CL Type-S 6 speed runs the near same exact time as the 02/03 Maxima. I am more curious to see what they MSRP for.

 

I have a 2002 TLS and here's the latest from Acura forums about the 2004 TL:

1. Only one trim (no Type S)
2. Around 280 to 300 HP
3. Wipers (the air nozzle didn't make it to production)
4. Side mirrors (camera won't make production)
5. Optional 18s (possibly)
6. Lighter and smaller than current TL
7. Definite 6-speed manual option
8. ~$35k to ~$38k
9. Factory Brembos on crossdrilled rotors (probably)

If I misquoted any info above, please feel free to fix it.

 

That's not a totally fair comparison. They don't make a 2 door Maxima. The 6 speed CL-S is usually ahead of the 6 speed Maxima in most races when the two are stock. TL-S vs Maxima, well, that's a drivers race IMHO.

 

BECAUSE OF A TURBO- and professional drivers that test drove it

 

 

The doors don't matter much when you compare the TLS and CLS. They are 99.9% identical. Therefore, instead of comparing a manual Maxima to an auto TLS, I think it's fair game to compare the manual CLS to the manual Maxima.

 

Wow, I guess the org has its share of idiots too. Hey Manny, what about the Altima? I heard it was the fastest production FWD manual ever built. Guess it's faster than yours.

One other thing, Honda hasn't had the traditional torque steer problems that the 3.5 FWD's have had. If you want to see wheelspin and, God forbid, wheelhop, try the Neon SRT or just floor your own car. I go to all the Maxima meets here because a lot of my friends have Max'es and they told me that sometimes it gets so bad that the wipers turn on by themselves, especially on the manuals. Even on the autos, last month my friend and I almost died because we did a U-turn and when he (oxidizer2k1 on this forum) floored his 03 SE we started going sideways. You can Honda bash all you want, but because the torque always kicks in at higher RPMs, you are already moving before you get the torque. Plus the TCS kicks mucho ***.

 

A TL-S is a sport tuned TL 3.2 from ACURA -with and updated intake manifold/exhaust and tweeked VTECH- The Max is just what it is. My neighbor has a Black '02 TLS- And we run all the time- all I have is an intake to compensate for the 5 xtra horse he has over me. And
by the time I get to 100mph hes barely touching my bumper!
Our motor is just bigger !! No bias just the truth- '04 TLS should
come w/the 3.5 of the RL- But the dilemma is that these cars can only go so fast before the limitations of FWD(w/out turbo/SC).
3.5 Altima 5 speed- 0-60mph in 5.9 secs- names fastest FWD production car ever tested - Now thats quick -as quick as FWD could get Stock-
We'll never see a stock FWD car below 5 secs to 60

 

I agree with pretty much everything you said. One thing though is nobody said the new TL is going to be below 5 seconds. On a FWD, you're more likely to see improvements in the 1/4 mile. Plus, it will take a lot more than ~280 HP to move such a big sedan to 60 in less than 5.

By the way, my friends (oxidizer2k1) and I will be doing some runs this week. I have a stock 2002 TLS while he has an auto 2003 Maxima SE Titanium with PAB (ported air box) mod. The last time I ran him, we did 3 runs. He had a fresh oil change, was running sythetic, new air filter, while I needed an oil change, had a full tank of gas, and wasn't running synthetic.

Run 1: By 50 MPH, he was by my rear doors. By 65, his front was at my side mirrors while I shifted to 3rd. After that, I started gaining and we shut down around 100 when he was at the end of my front door.

Run 2: By 50 MPH, he was by my rear doors. By 65, he had a car on me. By 75 he was long gone. I hit my rev limiter twice on 2 gears on this run. I tried to be cool and used manumatic.

Run 3: By 50 MPH, he was right behind my rear bumper. By 65, I had a car on him. By 75, I had 1.5 cars on him. He never caught up.

Bottom line is this: Nissan has the raw power but the TLS has the killer gearing that lets it hang with a car that weighs several hundred pounds less, has much more torque, and has more displacement. I don't see why the new TL can't be a 5.5 second car.

 

Obviously your friend doesn't know how to drive. I've done literally 20 of these races, the only race I've lost was my brother's modded up 2002 TL S (around 300 horsepower) The Only Mods I have on my 03' SE Auto is Injen intake and greddy exhaust. But I don't see how you friend always is behind you at 50 mph, In my experience it's always been the other way around, and by 75 the TL S start gaining slowly.

 

You have any videos or timeslips to prove it? Otherwise, your words are absolutely pointless. I can say that I can beat a Z06 in the 1/4 dead stock with my '03 GLE, but unless I have some kind of documentation to back it up, it BS...

 

I want to know how you get a timeslip when you race on Route 80 or 23.

 

Get pulled over!

 

Like I said, it's BS unless you have video or timeslips. Racing on the streets is a huge no no, and besides that, there are too many variables like traffic, weather, cops...you don't have those on a track (if you have bad weather, you don't run). Run your friend at a local track, video it or just get the slips, and it will probably be a better way to compare.

 

I bet if you had fresh oil you would have pulled car lengths on him