WarpSpeed 5th Gen y-pipe
01-30-2001, 08:48 PM
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FYI, we are finally getting around to the 5th Gen Maxima y-pipe. We have a guy sending us his California stock pipe so we can get a look at it as well. About all I can say right now is once we do the prototype it does not take us long to go into production. We are curious, do you guys really want a 304 SS version? We plan to offer it in 409 SS because of it's superior flex ability, long life and resistance to cracking vs 304 SS thats real shiney, but crack and tarnish prone, and more expensive. Please let us know what you think.No prices yet, just our policy of quality products and reasonable pricing. Dan and Dallas WarpSpeedPerformance
01-30-2001, 09:16 PM
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i think e/o wants something that is very competitively priced ... & ...
(compared 2 Stillen & Cattman)with proven (dyno's please!) results ... it's that simple ... yet so damn hard!
Originally posted by Dan 93 SE
FYI, we are finally getting around to the 5th Gen Maxima y-pipe. We have a guy sending us his California stock pipe so we can get a look at it as well. About all I can say right now is once we do the prototype it does not take us long to go into production. We are curious, do you guys really want a 304 SS version? We plan to offer it in 409 SS because of it's superior flex ability, long life and resistance to cracking vs 304 SS thats real shiney, but crack and tarnish prone, and more expensive. Please let us know what you think.No prices yet, just our policy of quality products and reasonable pricing. Dan and Dallas WarpSpeedPerformance
FYI, we are finally getting around to the 5th Gen Maxima y-pipe. We have a guy sending us his California stock pipe so we can get a look at it as well. About all I can say right now is once we do the prototype it does not take us long to go into production. We are curious, do you guys really want a 304 SS version? We plan to offer it in 409 SS because of it's superior flex ability, long life and resistance to cracking vs 304 SS thats real shiney, but crack and tarnish prone, and more expensive. Please let us know what you think.No prices yet, just our policy of quality products and reasonable pricing. Dan and Dallas WarpSpeedPerformance
01-30-2001, 11:05 PM
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y-pipe and engine damage?
Since you're in the process of making a new y-pipe, maybe you can address this issue. There have been suggestions that the Stillen and Cattman 5th gen CA y-pipes create uneven exhaust back pressure between the front and rear cylinder banks because of the elimination of the pre-cats in one bank and not in the other. Long term engine damage has been suggested. Is this something we need to worry about? See thread below.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....threadid=16583
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....threadid=16583
01-31-2001, 05:30 AM
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y-pipe
FYI, I was the one who theorized that my Cattman pipe with BIG dent in it was the cause of my rear bank of cylinders running very lean. 3rd gen Maximas only have one 02 sensor, back by the Cat. I never got an answer that completely satisfied me, so I still feel y-pipes can potentially do bad things to engines. If any one can give me a name or # to call, I will be more than happy to pursue the concern about removing one precat. I personally have not seen the 5th gen y-pipe. Remember the 3rd and 4th gen Maxima y-pipes are designed to have the rear down pipe enter the exhaust flow AGAINST the backward flow of the front down pipe. Thats where I believe alot of the power (and noise) come from. The 3rd gen has no precat to deal with, so the theory about gains from removing precats may only be partly true. Thanks for listening. Dan WSP
01-31-2001, 05:54 AM
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Basically if you have a 99 Maxima YPIPE, it will fit a 2000 perfectly except for the length to the cat needs to be extended about 1-2 inches. I tested one for cattman and that was the only problem.
Originally posted by Dan 93 SE
FYI, we are finally getting around to the 5th Gen Maxima y-pipe. We have a guy sending us his California stock pipe so we can get a look at it as well. About all I can say right now is once we do the prototype it does not take us long to go into production. We are curious, do you guys really want a 304 SS version? We plan to offer it in 409 SS because of it's superior flex ability, long life and resistance to cracking vs 304 SS thats real shiney, but crack and tarnish prone, and more expensive. Please let us know what you think.No prices yet, just our policy of quality products and reasonable pricing. Dan and Dallas WarpSpeedPerformance
FYI, we are finally getting around to the 5th Gen Maxima y-pipe. We have a guy sending us his California stock pipe so we can get a look at it as well. About all I can say right now is once we do the prototype it does not take us long to go into production. We are curious, do you guys really want a 304 SS version? We plan to offer it in 409 SS because of it's superior flex ability, long life and resistance to cracking vs 304 SS thats real shiney, but crack and tarnish prone, and more expensive. Please let us know what you think.No prices yet, just our policy of quality products and reasonable pricing. Dan and Dallas WarpSpeedPerformance
01-31-2001, 05:56 AM
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Re: y-pipe
I also have detail pics of the 5th gen ypipe compared to Cattmans SS pipe. I will try to find them tonight if I remember. I get off late at work after 9pm, so I will look...
Originally posted by Dan 93 SE
FYI, I was the one who theorized that my Cattman pipe with BIG dent in it was the cause of my rear bank of cylinders running very lean. 3rd gen Maximas only have one 02 sensor, back by the Cat. I never got an answer that completely satisfied me, so I still feel y-pipes can potentially do bad things to engines. If any one can give me a name or # to call, I will be more than happy to pursue the concern about removing one precat. I personally have not seen the 5th gen y-pipe. Remember the 3rd and 4th gen Maxima y-pipes are designed to have the rear down pipe enter the exhaust flow AGAINST the backward flow of the front down pipe. Thats where I believe alot of the power (and noise) come from. The 3rd gen has no precat to deal with, so the theory about gains from removing precats may only be partly true. Thanks for listening. Dan WSP
FYI, I was the one who theorized that my Cattman pipe with BIG dent in it was the cause of my rear bank of cylinders running very lean. 3rd gen Maximas only have one 02 sensor, back by the Cat. I never got an answer that completely satisfied me, so I still feel y-pipes can potentially do bad things to engines. If any one can give me a name or # to call, I will be more than happy to pursue the concern about removing one precat. I personally have not seen the 5th gen y-pipe. Remember the 3rd and 4th gen Maxima y-pipes are designed to have the rear down pipe enter the exhaust flow AGAINST the backward flow of the front down pipe. Thats where I believe alot of the power (and noise) come from. The 3rd gen has no precat to deal with, so the theory about gains from removing precats may only be partly true. Thanks for listening. Dan WSP
01-31-2001, 04:57 PM
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WarpSpeed y-pipe
Hell yes!!, we will have a Fed. version. We had an opportunity to look at a Calif. version so we took it.We expect to have both out by the end of Feb. We have dyno tested both the 3rd and 4th gen y-pipes, and have had good gains. Expect the same for the 5th Gen. We probably will test it as well, but not the Cailf. version. We appreciate your interest and input. Dan WSP
01-31-2001, 07:21 PM
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Dan 93 SE,
Do you have an estimate as to what the price may be for a 5th gen y-pipe?
I am asking because there are two other brands on the market: Cattman and Stillen. I am quite sure your model will be priced accordingly. My thoughts were if you offered your product at a significantly lower cost than the competitors, you would get many more orders than if it were closely price matched to the competition. My college Economics class taught me sometimes more is better.
I can reference a super charger as an example. There is one super charger offered for a 5th gen, which is about $3,000+. There are only a handful of people that will pay that. I will never pay that. But, if the super charger were offered for $1,000, then chances are there would AT LEAST be 3 times as many orders placed for a super charger. I would buy at $1,000, as would many of my friends. So, you would come out ahead in the long run, using the example I have just given.
Look at the price of DVD players. A DVD player, when they first came out, was $1000. That was unreachable by many. Now, you can get one for as little as $200 and everybody is snapping them up.
This is by no means an attempt to drive your prices down for sake of you not making a profit, which you must, and I hope you do for simply supporting the Maxima community. I understand that. The point I am trying to make is that if the product is priced right, you'll get the customers.
Just a few things to think about. Of course, I do not run a business myself and could be totally off base here. If so, you can
me.
Do you have an estimate as to what the price may be for a 5th gen y-pipe?
I am asking because there are two other brands on the market: Cattman and Stillen. I am quite sure your model will be priced accordingly. My thoughts were if you offered your product at a significantly lower cost than the competitors, you would get many more orders than if it were closely price matched to the competition. My college Economics class taught me sometimes more is better.
I can reference a super charger as an example. There is one super charger offered for a 5th gen, which is about $3,000+. There are only a handful of people that will pay that. I will never pay that. But, if the super charger were offered for $1,000, then chances are there would AT LEAST be 3 times as many orders placed for a super charger. I would buy at $1,000, as would many of my friends. So, you would come out ahead in the long run, using the example I have just given.
Look at the price of DVD players. A DVD player, when they first came out, was $1000. That was unreachable by many. Now, you can get one for as little as $200 and everybody is snapping them up.
This is by no means an attempt to drive your prices down for sake of you not making a profit, which you must, and I hope you do for simply supporting the Maxima community. I understand that. The point I am trying to make is that if the product is priced right, you'll get the customers.
Just a few things to think about. Of course, I do not run a business myself and could be totally off base here. If so, you can
me.
01-31-2001, 07:44 PM
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you're not suggesting he sell @ a loss do u?
he has 2 recover his costs at a minimum & then expect some sort of return on his investment of time & energy ...
Originally posted by mdeal
Dan 93 SE,
Do you have an estimate as to what the price may be for a 5th gen y-pipe?
I am asking because there are two other brands on the market: Cattman and Stillen. I am quite sure your model will be priced accordingly. My thoughts were if you offered your product at a significantly lower cost than the competitors, you would get many more orders than if it were closely price matched to the competition. My college Economics class taught me sometimes more is better.
I can reference a super charger as an example. There is one super charger offered for a 5th gen, which is about $3,000+. There are only a handful of people that will pay that. I will never pay that. But, if the super charger were offered for $1,000, then chances are there would AT LEAST be 3 times as many orders placed for a super charger. I would buy at $1,000, as would many of my friends. So, you would come out ahead in the long run, using the example I have just given.
Look at the price of DVD players. A DVD player, when they first came out, was $1000. That was unreachable by many. Now, you can get one for as little as $200 and everybody is snapping them up.
This is by no means an attempt to drive your prices down for sake of you not making a profit, which you must, and I hope you do for simply supporting the Maxima community. I understand that. The point I am trying to make is that if the product is priced right, you'll get the customers.
Just a few things to think about. Of course, I do not run a business myself and could be totally off base here. If so, you can me.
Dan 93 SE,
Do you have an estimate as to what the price may be for a 5th gen y-pipe?
I am asking because there are two other brands on the market: Cattman and Stillen. I am quite sure your model will be priced accordingly. My thoughts were if you offered your product at a significantly lower cost than the competitors, you would get many more orders than if it were closely price matched to the competition. My college Economics class taught me sometimes more is better.
I can reference a super charger as an example. There is one super charger offered for a 5th gen, which is about $3,000+. There are only a handful of people that will pay that. I will never pay that. But, if the super charger were offered for $1,000, then chances are there would AT LEAST be 3 times as many orders placed for a super charger. I would buy at $1,000, as would many of my friends. So, you would come out ahead in the long run, using the example I have just given.
Look at the price of DVD players. A DVD player, when they first came out, was $1000. That was unreachable by many. Now, you can get one for as little as $200 and everybody is snapping them up.
This is by no means an attempt to drive your prices down for sake of you not making a profit, which you must, and I hope you do for simply supporting the Maxima community. I understand that. The point I am trying to make is that if the product is priced right, you'll get the customers.
Just a few things to think about. Of course, I do not run a business myself and could be totally off base here. If so, you can
me.
01-31-2001, 07:51 PM
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5th Gen y-pipe
Have you guys ever looked at the prices of the 3rd and 4th Gen y-pipes at our web site? We sell the aluminized version for $260-265 and the 409 SS version is $350 or 355. Not bad when you consider our competitors prices are considerably higher, and Maxima.org members have posted that they like not only the fit,but customer service and power gains. If you make a good product and price it right the people will come.My guess is that prices won't be much different for this pipe. As soon as we have her up and running we will post.
01-31-2001, 07:59 PM
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Re: WarpSpeed y-pipe
Originally posted by Dan 93 SE
Hell yes!!, we will have a Fed. version. We had an opportunity to look at a Calif. version so we took it.We expect to have both out by the end of Feb. We have dyno tested both the 3rd and 4th gen y-pipes, and have had good gains. Expect the same for the 5th Gen. We probably will test it as well, but not the Cailf. version. We appreciate your interest and input. Dan WSP
Hell yes!!, we will have a Fed. version. We had an opportunity to look at a Calif. version so we took it.We expect to have both out by the end of Feb. We have dyno tested both the 3rd and 4th gen y-pipes, and have had good gains. Expect the same for the 5th Gen. We probably will test it as well, but not the Cailf. version. We appreciate your interest and input. Dan WSP
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...010&a=11318493
At that link there are about 15 pics I would say. I hope there detail enough...here is a few:
<img src="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1174010&a=11318493&p=39728264&Sequence=0&re s=high">
<img src="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1174010&a=11318493&p=39728268&Sequence=0&re s=high">
01-31-2001, 08:03 PM
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I am not suggesting he sell at a loss. I said in my post I would expect, and hope, the manufacturer to make a profit. Please re-read my post more clearly before suggesting the manufacturer not make a profit or break even.
Materials cost X, labor costs Y, and the cost is X + Y + profit = price (Note: overhead may play a part in this). Once you get the process down it is a matter of pumping them out at a LESS PROFIT PER UNIT BUT MORE UNITS SOLD.
He could sell a million of those things at $375. Is his R&D covered? Yes. Is his labor covered? Yes. Is his overhead covered? Yes. At what point does the manufacturer begin pumping at units at no cost to him? That is the question.
I am simply saying that a different marketing approach could prove more beneficial.
He may opt to price the y-pipe at or near the competition, which is ok. If that is the case, than the "unproven" product will be matched against what is proven: the Cattman and Stillen versions.
Many make a product and price it to the market, but if you price it to what people will REALLY want to pay as opposed to what you can get away with could be better.
I am ONLY suggesting a different approach, because so many price products to what they *think* they can get by with and not what it costs them to manufacture it and make a good profit.
Materials cost X, labor costs Y, and the cost is X + Y + profit = price (Note: overhead may play a part in this). Once you get the process down it is a matter of pumping them out at a LESS PROFIT PER UNIT BUT MORE UNITS SOLD.
He could sell a million of those things at $375. Is his R&D covered? Yes. Is his labor covered? Yes. Is his overhead covered? Yes. At what point does the manufacturer begin pumping at units at no cost to him? That is the question.
I am simply saying that a different marketing approach could prove more beneficial.
He may opt to price the y-pipe at or near the competition, which is ok. If that is the case, than the "unproven" product will be matched against what is proven: the Cattman and Stillen versions.
Many make a product and price it to the market, but if you price it to what people will REALLY want to pay as opposed to what you can get away with could be better.
I am ONLY suggesting a different approach, because so many price products to what they *think* they can get by with and not what it costs them to manufacture it and make a good profit.
01-31-2001, 08:09 PM
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WoW!!!!
Thank YOU John Maynard Keynes! I've just been schooled! LOL
Originally posted by mdeal
I am not suggesting he sell at a loss. I said in my post I would expect, and hope, the manufacturer to make a profit. Please re-read my post more clearly before suggesting the manufacturer not make a profit or break even.
Materials cost X, labor costs Y, and the cost is X + Y + profit = price (Note: overhead may play a part in this). Once you get the process down it is a matter of pumping them out at a LESS PROFIT PER UNIT BUT MORE UNITS SOLD.
He could sell a million of those things at $375. Is his R&D covered? Yes. Is his labor covered? Yes. Is his overhead covered? Yes. At what point does the manufacturer begin pumping at units at no cost to him? That is the question.
I am simply saying that a different marketing approach could prove more beneficial.
He may opt to price the y-pipe at or near the competition, which is ok. If that is the case, than the "unproven" product will be matched against what is proven: the Cattman and Stillen versions.
Many make a product and price it to the market, but if you price it to what people will REALLY want to pay as opposed to what you can get away with could be better.
I am ONLY suggesting a different approach, because so many price products to what they *think* they can get by with and not what it costs them to manufacture it and make a good profit.
I am not suggesting he sell at a loss. I said in my post I would expect, and hope, the manufacturer to make a profit. Please re-read my post more clearly before suggesting the manufacturer not make a profit or break even.
Materials cost X, labor costs Y, and the cost is X + Y + profit = price (Note: overhead may play a part in this). Once you get the process down it is a matter of pumping them out at a LESS PROFIT PER UNIT BUT MORE UNITS SOLD.
He could sell a million of those things at $375. Is his R&D covered? Yes. Is his labor covered? Yes. Is his overhead covered? Yes. At what point does the manufacturer begin pumping at units at no cost to him? That is the question.
I am simply saying that a different marketing approach could prove more beneficial.
He may opt to price the y-pipe at or near the competition, which is ok. If that is the case, than the "unproven" product will be matched against what is proven: the Cattman and Stillen versions.
Many make a product and price it to the market, but if you price it to what people will REALLY want to pay as opposed to what you can get away with could be better.
I am ONLY suggesting a different approach, because so many price products to what they *think* they can get by with and not what it costs them to manufacture it and make a good profit.
01-31-2001, 08:26 PM
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ohboiya,
I am surprised you, as an accountant, have a different opinion without prying into the "books" of Warpspeed. Did you learn about Mr. Keynes in your "official" schoolings, or was that a quick internet search? Am I a rebirth of him? Some of what I said is in line with his thoughts.
Warpspeed has responded and have indicated their product will certainly fall in line with the competition, if not at a lower cost.
I am surprised you, as an accountant, have a different opinion without prying into the "books" of Warpspeed. Did you learn about Mr. Keynes in your "official" schoolings, or was that a quick internet search? Am I a rebirth of him? Some of what I said is in line with his thoughts.
Warpspeed has responded and have indicated their product will certainly fall in line with the competition, if not at a lower cost.
01-31-2001, 08:45 PM
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fun!
Originally posted by mdeal
ohboiya,
I am surprised you, as an accountant, have a different opinion without prying into the "books" of Warpspeed.
& I'm impressed u did your DD 2 find out I was an accountant!
Did you learn about Mr. Keynes in your "official" schoolings,
YES & ...
or was that a quick internet search? YES ...
Am I a rebirth of him?
Don't flatter yourself =)
Some of what I said is in line with his thoughts.
hence .. what I called u!
Warpspeed has responded and have indicated their product will certainly fall in line with the competition, if not at a lower cost.
Perfect!
ohboiya,
I am surprised you, as an accountant, have a different opinion without prying into the "books" of Warpspeed.
& I'm impressed u did your DD 2 find out I was an accountant!
Did you learn about Mr. Keynes in your "official" schoolings,
YES & ...
or was that a quick internet search? YES ...
Am I a rebirth of him?
Don't flatter yourself =)
Some of what I said is in line with his thoughts.
hence .. what I called u!
Warpspeed has responded and have indicated their product will certainly fall in line with the competition, if not at a lower cost.
Perfect!
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