Anyone?

 

are there actual gains in stopping distance of the bremob'd g35 and the non bremobo'd g35???

 

I dunno, but it looks cool.

 

 

I would be willing to try it and make any brackets if necessary if someone can show me where to get a set at a reasonable price.

 

DAVEB priced the 350Z Brembo for me, should be the same:
Rotor $390/each
Caliper $1200 or $925(not sure why two)
Brembo Pads $30

 

I want something a little less expensive than that if I am just experimenting

 

After two or three hot laps the Brembos will out-perform the stock brakes night and day!

 

I was priced about 1200 per corner . For that price you can get a real big brake kit !

 

Hmmmm. I wonder if there that orange-ish color caliper paint kit out......

 

Yes there is. I have seen it. It called Gold..Not orange-ish...But that would look wack on our cheesey stock calipers.

 

ok and where is the proof of that??

i am not disagreeing i would just like to see proof

 

 

Not 100% proof, but I've seen more than one magazine writeup claim the G35/350Z Brembos were fade free and we know from experience that the Maxima brakes fade easily after a few high speed trashings. Not to mention they warp or crack if pushed hard and put away wet.

Those G35/350Z Brembos are the sheit, but for $2400/pair for just the front, I'd get the Gran Turismo kit like Kev:
Then throw the 350Z/G35 Brembo calipers/rotors on the rear AFTER I paint them silver or black to match of course.

 

Grand Turismos are worth it, if you consider what Z /G35 rotors and clalipers go for. Your aftermarket Stillen kit will perform better than this, and you will still have $$ for Goldfinger !

 

I'd take the GT kit over the AP racing kit ANYDAY, however neither make a rear setup so SOMEBODY needs to come up with something that replaces the punny stock caliper/rotor. Either the 300Z TT or 350Z/G35 has to be similar enough to work.

 

Is there enough interest to make it worthwhile? If there are a bunch of people looking for a rear kit I would be more than happy to see what I can do.

 

I doubt it...10-people tops, but what do you have in mind?

 

I could use whatever calipers you want pretty much. I have acces to machine shop so fabrication shouldnt be a prob.

 

You know instead of putting a bigger caliper in the back w/ the same puny bias, why not just try to up the bias of the existing brakes? The rears have about zero bias stock. I don't know where the bias adjusters are on the maxima though. It might be in the master cylinder.

 

CBass69187 - So you're just talking about fabricating new hangers to hold the caliper, right? If the front rotors are ~13", then the rears would need to be ~12"-13", but the caliper wouldn't need to be more then a 2-4 piston design. It just needs to compensate for the larger mass of the rotors at least.

Jeff92se - I'm PURELY after looks for the rears not performance, since we know most of the braking is done with the fronts and most likely we aren't going to gain much more then fade-free brakes from a BBK. I just don't want to INcrease the stopping distance, while having MATCHING F/R rotors.

Also, I don't think ABS would be too happy if we changed the F/R bias.

 

ABS should be fine. It "might" work slightly harder but that's it(if any)

You can't put front calipers on the rear w/o some serious mods to the e-brake configuation.

 

The latest ABS can accomodate changes such as minor wheel weight, size, and tire grip, however I'd say ANY BBK is going to confuse the hell out of it and actually INCREASE your stopping distance. I don't have evidence of this since NOBODY will do before/after tests, but IF I ever get a BBK, I for sure will. Also, a friend of mine worked for Honda R&D until recently as a test driver and driving instructor and he says they did extensive testing on vehicles with ABS to design systems that can accomodate the wild things people do to their cars nowadays like HUGE rims/tires, super light weight/heavy rims, and even suspension geometry changes. It's VERY difficult to design an ABS algorithm that can handle wide margins and they require EXTENSIVE testing, but I know BMW for a fact purposefully design their ABS to handle larger rims/tires SAFELY without increasing stopping distances dramatically. I doubt any other car manufacturer cares.

I wasn't considering that, I'd use a rear caliper from another vehicle like the Brembo G35/350Z.

 

post pics of my setup but for now...get to the Wilwood web site and see...13" two-piece slotted (not x-drilled) rotors, Superlite III four piston calipers, braided SS lines, perfect fit for just under $1300.00.

Do you still wanna deal with Stealin or Brembo at either 1.3x or 2x the price?

 

Sad to say, but I'd cough up $2200 for the GT kit vs. Wilwood.

 

I'm shopping for a BBK... Why do think the Brembo is that much better?

 

to drive my car and afterwards, if you still wanna blow the extra 1200 clams on the Brembo kit, by all means, you're welcome to do so...

I've had my brakes on for...ohh...maybe two months and as of today they're flawless..not a pipsqueak, groan, squeal or anything untowards and they brake...ohh, how they brake!

For instance, a couple of weeks ago, driving around some back country roads with my better half in the car, she brings up the question of 'well, as expensive as they were (with a hint of obvious annoyance in her voice) are these brakes really worth it?'

To which I reply 'wanna see'? and she says 'yes' so after checking mirrors I just lay into them....her purse -which is in her lap- sails forward into the dash, her belts lock while the car is just nose-diving to the pavement....in nothing flat we've hauled down from 60 mph to like 10 at which point I let up on the brakes, I look over at her and ask 'well, what do you think?'

Her face was priceless...her eyeballs were half again bigger than normal, she just sits there for a second collecting her purse and her wits and then just says 'damn!

Yeah, cheap ol' Wilwoods work quite well, sank u bery moch.

 

I never said Wilwoods weren't awesome or "cheap", but if I'm going to spend $1300 on the Wilwood or $1700+ on an AP BBK from Stillen, I'd cough up the extra couple hunny for the GT kit($2150).

I've only rode in one Max with a Wilwood kit and it seemed alright, but we never pushed it like you just stated.

Personal preference and the fact that it's designed SPECIFICALLY for the Maxima with the utmost quality and safety is ALL I'd be concerned about. I'm more worried about HOW ABS handles a BBK and since Brembo claims to have designed these specifically for the Maxima, I'd hold them to it if I got into an accident because the ABS 'freaked' and it took me 200ft to stop from 60mph.

I don't believe Wilwood or AP Racing design their kits for the Maxima, but I could be wrong. Again, I'm when it comes to Brembo.

 

I never said Wilwoods weren't awesome or "cheap", but if I'm going to spend $1300 on the Wilwood or $1700+ on an AP BBK from Stillen, I'd cough up the extra couple hunny for the GT kit($2150).

I've only rode in one Max with a Wilwood kit and it seemed alright, but we never pushed it like you just stated.

Personal preference and the fact that it's designed SPECIFICALLY for the Maxima with the utmost quality and safety is ALL I'd be concerned about. I'm more worried about HOW ABS handles a BBK and since Brembo claims to have designed these specifically for the Maxima, I'd hold them to it if I got into an accident because the ABS 'freaked' and it took me 200ft to stop from 60mph.

I don't believe Wilwood or AP Racing design their kits for the Maxima, but I could be wrong. Again, I'm when it comes to Brembo.

 

I have not tested the brakes under locking/ABS conditions and I'm not going to do that in the dry so...when it rains again up here I'll try to lock them up and see what happens...

That said, at this rate of dry days, the next day of rain could well be October...

 

You are probably right, but i have a wilwood kit on my SE-R and its AWESOME. If you think about, what do they have to "design" a kit around? all you need is a bigger rotor, caliper relocation plates, the big a$$ 4 piston caliper and some SS lines. IMO< you can NEVER have 2 much brake. I am looking into upgrading my 02 brakes, and if i EVERY SEE GALOS PICS i would probably buy them in a heartbeat. BABKs rule, for many reasons. Stop better and the bling bling factor. what more can you ask for? here a 11" rotors with 4 piston wilwood calipers on my sentra. Lets just say at the track (road racing) guys on stock brakes were I would come into a corner WAY fast, brake late, and pass all my buddies with $hitty stock brakes and better pads.





I dont think the $tillen AP kit is worth it. Checkout fastbrakes.com for better pricing. ALthough i got my SE-R kit for $600 SHIPPED, and now its over $800.

 

Just find a dirt road?

Do you have a G-Tech Pro by chance?

 

I've been told the caliper piston design is dependent on the master cylinder capacity. However, my ONLY real concern is the compatability with ABS.

 

QUOTE]Originally posted by IceY2K1


I've been told the caliper piston design is dependent on the master cylinder capacity. However, my ONLY real concern is the compatability with ABS. [/QUOTE]

well, you were told "somewhat" right. when i get bigger brakes in the rear, i need an altima MC (in my sentra). If you are only doing fronts, the stock MC should be more than fine. Also, what caliper piston design are they talking about. Sounds like but i could be wrong. ANd on ABS cars, BABKs are WAY WAY BEtter than cars with out ABS...

 

mismatch of master cylinder capacity with caliper/piston sizes; as it turned out I should not have worried, the pedal is most definitely firmer and has MUCH less travel now than with the OEM brakes -so go figure. It's possible the braided lines have something to do with this...

One of these days I'll get pics -promise!

 

Alright...I don't have time right now, but it's pretty much all in this post by iwannabmw:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=124860

I'm talking about line pressure, clamping force, etc....

 

before I got my brake kit. Indeed, in many prior (and subsequent) discussion I too made the comment that for single, isolated 'panic' type stops better brakes mean nothing because retardation force is only as good as can be achieved thru the cooefficient of friction (grip) between the tires and the road...

There's another conssideration in top-line BBKs that no one has discussed yet, that being the overall -principally unsprung- weight reduction: the Wilwood kit reduced unsprung weight by 9 lbs PER WHEEL and the difference in ride quality was immediately noticeable....

 

I agree...people spend BIG $$$$ trying to reduce unsprung weight with light weight rims and then they choose a 1-piece HEAVY azz rotor, which defeats the purpose.

I think the Wilwood, AP Racing, and Brembo all use two piece designs that reduce the unsprung mass.

 

Alright, time to toss in my .02



The Brembo GT brakes w/14" rotors. Those would be sick as hell, I get stares all the time with just my c/d rotors but id love to have something bigger, something that stops better (obviously) and honestly, for the looks as well.

Wilwood ive considered, but its just too plain looking IMO. True they do the job well, they done look bad either. They still wont draw as much attention as a Brembo GT kit would.

The biggest concern that I personally have with ANY brake kit is the noise. If im going to fork over the $ for a brake kit I dont want any noise. Not one little frigging squeal. I had the Axxix metal matrix pad on be4 & I literally threw them away within 1 week. Sure they stopped well, but my car sounded like an airport shuttle when slowing down, not the mention they sounded like I had a pregnant cat stuck in my calipers when under 5mph.
They chew up the rotors pretty quick too. I just tossed in a new pair of OEM pads and called it a day.

The stillen AP kit squeals like hell plus it gives off too much brake dust. I cant have my car (its pearl white) being covered by a shade of brake dust on the sides either

So I too am weary of any brake kit. Here is what I personally would look for.
1. Its got to look sick
2. Stop decently better then the OEM setup
3. NO NOISE.
4. Minimal dust

 

I'd love to see someone make a nice little rear BBK for us. Maybe something that uses the stock 300ZX calipers?