I was heading home last night when I had a ranger rev his engine at me. Not much of a contest, but it got the attention of a mitsubishi I didn't see behind us. After the next light he flew around me and I heard his turbo spooled up. Looked quick, so at the next light I knew it was on. From a roll of about 10 mph I pulled on him. Not car lengths, but I was moving up on him. Shut it down by 75 (surface street) but he never caught up. I was surprised because I thought they were 320 Hp AWD. It was a manual because I heard him shift. All I have is an intake and a muffler for performance. The only thing I can figure is that he didn't know how to drive or his car wasn't running right. Either way he is on the kill list and he backed of to turn on a side street. What a great win.

 

looks to me like an SL... 222 hp

 

the VR-4 is pretty fast so no way... you wrong man killer2000se
is right...

 

It's actually pretty easy to believe. It couldn't have been the no name or SL unless it was boosting. A 2002 would pull away from that car with ease. Now to the VR-4, yes they are fast but not as fast as you guys think. You also need to know what year it was. The last model year, with a perfect driver, and doing a 5000rpm clutch drop, gets you around 13.5-13.6 in the quarter. The stock times only go up for the older model years. This was from a 10mph roll. Which means, no AWD advantage. 10mph roll to 75 and the Max is slightly ahead, makes sense to me. Great run!

Now just before anyone says anything. If it was modded, the guy was just playing.

 

Those suckers were heavy *****. 3600-3800 lb, IIRC. And with any AWD car, most of the 1/4 mile advantage is through doing high-rev clutch dump launches which people don't usually do on the streets. They're not nearly as quick from a roll.

 

http://www.car-stats.com/stats/shows...tsgivenid.aspx 97 VR-4 0-60 in 4.8 only...

 

I've driven in a 97 VR4 and it was sooooo much faster than my 2k2. 2nd and 3rd gear just pinned my head to the headrest - its a FAST car. And there were 3 people in the car plus extra crap, so with just 1 person it would be that much faster too. Granted I havent driven in a 6 speed max, but I've seen the times at the track and they aren't that much faster than me the older VR4's only have 300 hp and are slightly heavier I believe, was it one of those? Even with the weights of the cars, its hard to compare 320 hp to 250.

 

Dude your crazy, those things are quick, you raced the non turbo one. Even from a roll, wants the turbos spooled he would of ate you.

 

Either he had broken turbos with leaks all over the place, missing intercoolers, shot cylinders, or simply was an idiot and cant drive. I really don't think you would be able to toast that car.

Modded SL's can get pretty quick too and don't forget, ricers try to make their car look like they got the better model...

 

keep this thread civil...




or else locky locky

 

a girl i know has a Vr4 but its soo old that its now really slow. her turbos need to be refreshed and an extensive tune up. i could see it happening cuz of these reasons: bad driver, old car, heavy car, or he was just playinn around

 

The guy could've had Busted turbo seals. I doubt boost leak or he won't be able to Run hard at all b/c of fuelcut. maybe just poor tuned up car. I don't know about the Good/Bad Driver thing. It doesn't take much to drive a car fast once its already rolling, Unless you miss shift.
SL is a Dog
So is a MKIV N/A

 

you guys are haters! why doubt?

 

I used to own a 91 Stealth ES, with the 222hp DOHC non turbo V6... It was just as fast as my 01 GXE 5 speed from a roll... So there isn't a chance in hell a 02-03 6 speed would touch a VR-4... I've driven 2 VR-4's and riden in a modified 91 Stealth R/T TT as well. Even though they're heavy, they are twin turboed... so they're not slow. :P For reference, the 91-93 tt'd stealths and 3000gt's = 300hp, and the 94-96 stealths/94-99 3000gt's = 320hp due to a 2psi bump in the boost stock.

Bryan

 

hp:lbs ratio for VR4 = 11.8 lbs/1 hp
hp:lbs ratio for 2k2 = 13 lbs/1 hp

True, the AWD will give more resistance once up to speeds, but they have a nice lbs/hp advantage. A well maintained VR4 should smoke a 2k2 any day...thats why I almost bought one!!! hehe but now I got my Max and am happy since the VR4's do have numerous problems (so I've been told).
But hey, you beat him that day just like I beat a 300ZX turbo at the track - it wasn't the other guy's day! Congrats on this time, but beware

 

Half the Mitsu's (VR4's and SL's) sound like shyt-
cannot say that about Supras/RX'7's
Last night headin out of work on 287N I was cruisin on the fast lane- Noticed two cars racing behind me
(thae one had killer HID's -caught my attention-
It was a Celica GT-s pulling on an S2000(*black)
So I was doin' 65mph waited on the Celica- punched
into third to catch up to his speed he was maybe doin 80mph- cught upto his bumper- waited for a car to pass(meanwhile the S2000 is riding my ***)
then we pass traffic and all three lanes open back up- the Celica gets in the middle- but the s2000 didnt budge moving over- so I drop it like its hot and fly past the Celica and the S2000 went
from riding my *** to 3 to 4 car lenghts behing me
until I shut it down about 110mph cause we caught up to traffic- So I go back down to 65mph and the S2000 drives by slowly(gave me the thumbs up)
And holy shyt- this car had the two fattest pipes on his exhaust i'd ever seen- nice car
Anyway what i've noticed about gunnin' it with the
new breed of pocket rockets( similar experiences w/wRX'S) is that they dont have shyt on the Max
from a roll- And 9/10 of these on the road are modded to hell-
I'm quite sure from a stop that S2000 would've made me climb out of a cloud of smoke- Its hard to imagine how the 350Z wasn't pushed hard enough against the S200 in C/D- the torque difference is astounding-

 

Hey guys. Thamx for the info on the VR4. The car said VR4 on the back that didnt look like some sticker. It was however an older one and I think that maintainence along with the fact that the driver was some young looking dopey guy led to my victory. Good race though and I am sure that one in good shape with a better driver would walk me, but I still took this one. I htought it was a good race for what it was.

 

Could you tell if his 1G VR4's active aerodynamics was working still? That was a cool feature in the 1G 3KGT VR4.

 

Yep. Very heavy cars. They are not the ideal car for dragging at all. Its like watchign an over weight person run against a kid.

And its still a DSM.

 

The VR-4 was designed to be a fast car not a quick car. The car is very heavy for a reason, because it supposed to be able to hit 180 + mph. The gives it was more downforce at high speeds, even if you have been in a maxima going 140 + it is not that comfertable. VR-4 = very comfertable and very sturdy. And they are pretty quick for such a big *** car.

 

Yes, they are quick for their weight but they are def. not the choice of most drag racers. I am not doubting this car since I have had my fiar share of work on them.

If you even want a VR4 to hit 180mph, you better be heavily modded. I personally don;t know why anyone would even try 180mph unless you are on a closed course.

To each and their own.

 

Top speed specs have to be the most pointless and irrelevant spec of all. What point is there to design a car to go 180? Making it heavy as hell is the cheap way of doing it. Active aerodynamics and good aerodynamic design can have the same stability but without the penalties at lower speeds. I guess that's what separates Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lambo from Mitsubishi.

I did some fiddling in CarTest2000. Assuming the VR-4 is running to spec (not over-rated or under-rated), and with a stock dyno in use for the 2k2 6spd, the VR-4 should be able to steadily walk away.

 

its possible the vr-4 just has his boost set low, rem with a boost controler u can do that. those cars only get like 12-15mpg, boostin low is a good way at helping that. one of my best friends has a 92 vr-4, all vr-4s are manual btw, 91-93=5spd 94-99 6spd. he got his stock witha bout 75k, in decent shape, still new to the car, we went to the track and got 14.4-14.2's out of it with no prob. i have never felt a car wiht as much force as this thing, its getting slightly modded as the months pass, and it just keeps gaining huge amounts of power for not to much $$$. i think hes put in like $600ish and is up to like 420-450hp with stock turbos,but above 90/100 or so, they just dont have a huge amount of power, if we, NA 5th gen'ers ever hope to add one to our kill list its gonna have to be top end and with alot of luck, and hoping u dont top out. ive been in the vr-4 at 140+, i have no idea what they top out at, i heard like 160 or so, damn thats fast. but theres alot of stuff to go wrong with those things, and they seem very easily broken.

 

My friend has a 91VR4 with 68k miles on it, and he's already replaced the transmission and everything else that tends to go wrong with it (ECS, antenna, 60k tuneup). I finally got to drive it and it pins you to your seat. They may be heavy but they are still fast. He is selling is BTW as he is moving to Jersey and can't afford the insurance. http://ase.tufts.edu/aiche/car/vr4.htm

 

Nice run, but as most have posted the VR4 should win that race. Especially running only to 75. Even from a 10 mph roll awd still has an advantage. If I floor my max at 10 mph I get some nice wheel spin . With a VR4 you can floor it at any speed and between shifts as well, it was great! : 1st and 2nd gear are by far the best in the VR4 as well, it will start losing speed at 80 and those tiny turbos can only hold so much boost till redline. The thing I miss the most is the gearing: 1st ends about 40, 2nd about 80, and 3rd about 120 . 3rd on the max runs out a little after 90. And cruising at 120 feels like cruising at 70-80 in most cars. Mmm, must start working on VR4 again .