2K3 Accord faster than the 2k2/3 Max
#1
2K3 Accord faster than the 2k2/3 Max
I was just reading the stats on C&D and it says that Maxima's 1/4 is 14.7 and that the new accord 0-60 in 5.9 sec and 1/4 mile 14.5. Could someone please explain this to me. Our cars have more HP and a lot mor torque and still the accord supposedly can outperform us in 1/4 mile.
#4
Originally Posted by xfirepwr1
I was just reading the stats on C&D and it says that Maxima's 1/4 is 14.7 and that the new accord 0-60 in 5.9 sec and 1/4 mile 14.5. Could someone please explain this to me. Our cars have more HP and a lot mor torque and still the accord supposedly can outperform us in 1/4 mile.
#7
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
yes they are quick but don't trust C&D....plus they are not in the same class etc...
#8
I drove inside my cousins Accord Coupe the other day and I must say the interior kicks ***... I don't know if he was BS'ing but he said climate control, cd-changer etc are all standard. It seemed pretty fast but it constantly had a nagging sound when accelerating and it didn't feel as smooth as our Max... it a 3.0 btw. I would still take a Max anyday!
#9
Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
like every other honda we killem from a roll-
the coupe is alot lighter though
the coupe is alot lighter though
Maxima 6spd 14.1-14.3 > Accord 6spd 14.5-14.7
Maxima auto 14.6-14.7 > Accord auto 15.0-15.3
above = real times, not mag times.
#12
Originally Posted by SteVTEC
no no, you're mixed up. Hondas have no torque so Nissans, Toyotas, Kias, etc, all kill them from a stop. They're much stronger from a roll.
Maxima 6spd 14.1-14.3 > Accord 6spd 14.5-14.7
Maxima auto 14.6-14.7 > Accord auto 15.0-15.3
above = real times, not mag times.
Maxima 6spd 14.1-14.3 > Accord 6spd 14.5-14.7
Maxima auto 14.6-14.7 > Accord auto 15.0-15.3
above = real times, not mag times.
#13
Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
their advantage (coupe) is weight /taller gearing
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/hond...enav..8.Honda*
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/niss...nav..8.Nissan*
#16
Originally Posted by xfirepwr1
Our advantage is more HP and a lot more TQ, that should give us an edge over the new Accord.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.
#18
Originally Posted by SteVTEC
Actually, in reality, the Maxima has LESS horsepower.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.
Your fwhp figures of both cars were from some dyno run? Why does the Maxima (claimed 255-hp) looses so much power on dyno vs the Honda (240-hp) engine? With that saying, any updates on Nissan's false advertisement claimed of horsepower on the Maxima?
#19
Originally Posted by VMaximus02
Your fwhp figures of both cars were from some dyno run? Why does the Maxima (claimed 255-hp) looses so much power on dyno vs the Honda (240-hp) engine? With that saying, any updates on Nissan's false advertisement claimed of horsepower on the Maxima?
#20
Originally Posted by xfirepwr1
I was just reading the stats on C&D and it says that Maxima's 1/4 is 14.7 and that the new accord 0-60 in 5.9 sec and 1/4 mile 14.5. Could someone please explain this to me. Our cars have more HP and a lot mor torque and still the accord supposedly can outperform us in 1/4 mile.
Thank God it still can't beat the Altima
#23
Here is a stock "255 HP" Maxima 6spd on the dyno... Dyno source: www.nissanperformancemag.com
205 fwhp / 220 fwtq
Here is a stock "240 HP" Accord 6spd on the same type of dyno... Dyno source: www.vtec.net
217 fwhp / 195 fwtq
The 3.5L Nissan has significantly extra power in the low-end and mid-range because it has the extra displacement and because that's how it was designed to operate. It'll still give superior performance off the line and through the 1/4 mile. But the 3.0L Honda rules at the top-end. If you are on the highway, that motor will cook. It doesn't have anything on a VQ35 at lower speeds, though.
The crossover point is 5500 rpm where both are at about 200 fwhp but the Maxima's power has crested but the Honda's is still building. So an Accord V6 6spd will be able to take out a Maxima 6spd, but only if it can keep its revs above 5500 rpm solidly. The only place that will happen is at high (illegal) speeds. Weights are similar between the two cars so that would not be a factor.
205 fwhp / 220 fwtq
Here is a stock "240 HP" Accord 6spd on the same type of dyno... Dyno source: www.vtec.net
217 fwhp / 195 fwtq
The 3.5L Nissan has significantly extra power in the low-end and mid-range because it has the extra displacement and because that's how it was designed to operate. It'll still give superior performance off the line and through the 1/4 mile. But the 3.0L Honda rules at the top-end. If you are on the highway, that motor will cook. It doesn't have anything on a VQ35 at lower speeds, though.
The crossover point is 5500 rpm where both are at about 200 fwhp but the Maxima's power has crested but the Honda's is still building. So an Accord V6 6spd will be able to take out a Maxima 6spd, but only if it can keep its revs above 5500 rpm solidly. The only place that will happen is at high (illegal) speeds. Weights are similar between the two cars so that would not be a factor.
#24
wasn't doubtin ya stevo, so those dyno numbers are at the crank right?? sorry not really into dyno'n and all that. has anyone ever ran against one to see 1st hand?? and the honda driver would have to basically know how to run his car to beat a max in top end racing.
#27
you get take car of the low end with a few good mods.
#29
Originally Posted by bigdo26
i agree that I'd rather have more torque, seeing as hp at 6000 rpms is rarely used. But those honda interiors are real nice... any you seen them?
#31
The Accord is a butt ugly looking car IMO. Maximas rule!!! Who gives a crap if a Honduh Accord is a few tenths faster than our Maximas. There is alot more to a car than 1/4 mile times. At least you will not see a Maxima at every street corner like a Honduh.
Just look at my avatar
Just look at my avatar
#32
First of all it doesnt matter , because its a honda. If you drive one, win or lose you still look like a RETARD !
Second of all, with that tight a comparison, it will be a drivers race. Most manual transmission drivers dont know how to race their cars anyway, so if you are savy with your Max , you should be far ahead !
Second of all, with that tight a comparison, it will be a drivers race. Most manual transmission drivers dont know how to race their cars anyway, so if you are savy with your Max , you should be far ahead !
#33
Am I the only one to call BS on a 6 speed stock Max at 14.1-14.3?????? Show me one time slip of a Stock max at 14.3 or better. I saw one 14.3 with a stripped interior and a 14.1 with a CAI but the actual average is 14.5 and up. I bet if you averaged all the 6 speed times in the 1/4 mile form its even higher. I think a AV6 (new) 6 speed is a drivers race with the both cars even. 14.1 out of a stock 6 speed....now come on. (yes with slicks...)
#34
Originally Posted by KL99SEA
Am I the only one to call BS on a 6 speed stock Max at 14.1-14.3?????? Show me one time slip of a Stock max at 14.3 or better. I saw one 14.3 with a stripped interior and a 14.1 with a CAI but the actual average is 14.5 and up. I bet if you averaged all the 6 speed times in the 1/4 mile form its even higher. I think a AV6 (new) 6 speed is a drivers race with the both cars even. 14.1 out of a stock 6 speed....now come on. (yes with slicks...)
#36
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Originally Posted by SteVTEC
Actually, in reality, the Maxima has LESS horsepower.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.
What does the V6 accord coupe weigh? 4 door?
Are their any NA bolt on mods that do anything significant power wise as of yet? Or are they tuned nicely from the factory?
#38
Originally Posted by KL99SEA
Am I the only one to call BS on a 6 speed stock Max at 14.1-14.3?????? Show me one time slip of a Stock max at 14.3 or better. I saw one 14.3 with a stripped interior and a 14.1 with a CAI but the actual average is 14.5 and up. I bet if you averaged all the 6 speed times in the 1/4 mile form its even higher. I think a AV6 (new) 6 speed is a drivers race with the both cars even. 14.1 out of a stock 6 speed....now come on. (yes with slicks...)
#39
Originally Posted by SteVTEC
205 fwhp / 220 fwtq
36-secs. and 40-secs. between runs. Look how much the extra 4-secs. added between the 2nd-3rd vs. 1st-2nd.
That is exactly how NOT to dyno a car. Look at the heat soak affect due to no cool down. Maximas don't like that!
I'm still calling on the peak numbers, since dynolab actually uses a cooling fan when we know Stillen doesn't and heat soak had a 10hp/6wtq effect.
Got any better stock dynos Stevo?
#40
Originally Posted by SteVTEC
Actually, in reality, the Maxima has LESS horsepower.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.
Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock
But way more torque...
Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock
Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.