yea my dream car is a 69 trans am, or maybe 69 camaro zl1, will run a 10.4 STOCK on slicks, will a 11.8 on stock tires, thats insane

 

Good picks...

I'd like a '69 DZ302 Z28 Camaro myself...awesome engine...

 

yea it is, i love 1st gen camaros and firebirds

 

Anyone a fan of the 68 Mustangs? Wanna get one of those to fool around wtih when I get out of college

 

No I'm not High Yeah a stock 5th Gen max will have a hard time getting 1.9 60' time, but the best 60' time that I had is 2.2.

You can go ask Neal / BriGuy and Hawk25 if you don't believe me.

They were at the track when I ran a 14.4 / Stock with only a drop in K&N Filter.

 

From the last time I checked, this post was asking if a Maxima could beat a Mustang GT. I stated that I DID beat a mustung GT 4.6. Did I answer incorreclty?

 

You're asking if the Maxima can beat the GT...I understand that. The answer is no. You can/did beat a sh1tty driver, but if you're both the same caliber driver, you're going to get owned.

 

I've owned quite a few Mustangs (older models, NEWER models) in my 2k2 6spd. As long as they're highway rolls I'm just continually walking away as we row through the gears.

 

Yes, I've owned my share of 99+ Mustang GTs at the track too, but I know they are the quicker car overall. Your Max ran a 14.4 basically stock which is pretty impressive and rare. The point is most 02+ Maximas are 14.6-14.9 where as most GTs are low 14s. Like your Maxima, there are GTs that pull off stunning stock numbers too. The best I've heard for a bonestock GT is 13.5@102mph and I've heard of lots of 13.7-13.8s. So until I hear otherwise, I'll believe that the 99+ Mustang GT is a quicker and faster car on average. It should be too. It makes better HP and TQ, it's RWD, and weighs the same as the 02+.


Dave

 

I understand what your saying. I know that the Mustang GT have more HP and TQ than a 6spd Max. But in my opinion, for stock Maxima's running mid to high 14's is not that bad.

If Neal can run low 13's with his 5speed maxima (All Motor and I've seen him run personally). Adding performance bolt ons and a 6speed max can run those numbers as well.

I'm not trying to any credit away from the Mustang GT, but the VQ can be a contender in my opinion.

 

From a stop I think he'll take you, but a roll would be closer. Went against a 2k2 GT 5spd (longtube headers, straight pipes, flowmaster 40series,CAI, 3.73's and hypertech) from a roll at 45 and stayed right w/ him (on spray), from a stop he owned me though.

 

I agree that it's a pretty good car stock. But if you're interested in track times, then why buy a Maxima? A street driven FWD car can never fully compete with a similarly equipped RWD car if you're talking about bolt ons and performance, either. Bolt on intake and exhaust on the Max, and you'll get to the low 14's consistently. Bolt on intake and exhaust on a newer GT, and they run mid 13's. Add drag slicks to the Max, and you're in the high to (maybe) mid 13's, and the GT is in the low 13's all day long. Add to that some N2O (Max) and you're at the low 13's-high 12's depending on the shot. Add N2O to the GT, and you're in the 12's and possibly high 11's...

Mod for mod, we'll lose. Stock for stock, we'll lose. If you do beat them, then you're just a better driver (which is where most of the races are won anyway).


EDIT-- Alright, this has been discussed to death. No more "Can I beat a GT" talk. If you need the info, search older posts. The GT is the faster car. It's all up to the driver...

 

It's always up to the driver.

 

We're building a house with a third stall just for a 67-68 Mustang Fastback.

My cousin / roomate in college had a 69 Fastback. Fun to drive.

 

the old fastbacks are nice cars,

 

Anyone who bolts intake and exhaust on a GT before gears and intends to race it doesn't know what they are doing. You put gears on a stang GT and its good for mid high 13s. I've heard these stories about people running high 13s in stock 5spds on a cold day in hell, but it's far from the norm. Typically I see them running 14.5ish at like 95-97. Autos are running high 14s ant like 95. I've never heard of an auto running 14.0-14.2 in bone stock form but I suppose its probably happened. The best I've ever seen with my own eyes out of a stock 99-02 GT was 14.05 at 97 on a low 2.0 60. I'm positive that some have run quicker but never seen it myself.

The started of this thread was I THINK talking about 96-98 GTs vs 00-01 Maxs, in which case I'd say its a tossup. Between 99-02 GTs and 2002 6spds I'd give the edge to the GT for ET all things being equal but if you have a more skilled driver in the Max I can easily see the maxima winning the race based solely upon the driver.

I know Jordan's a pretty good driver and I've seen him rae 99-02 GTs and beat them, but thats not to say that I think the Max is necessarily a faster car, but rather that jordan was more skilled as a driver. From a roll I'd call the race a tossup with the max probably edging out if the race went to extreme speeds.

 

What exactly is the definition of a "better driver"?

 

that would be a "race a holic" who has several years behind the wheel, and experience at the track versus some turd who comes to the track, comes out of the gates spinning, and misses a gear half way down the track ... lol !

example: I was excited to see a dodge neon srt-v4 at the track and the guy hit first and spun like crazy, and just went nuts in second , and then put up a 14.6 ? I saw him do a few more runs and 14.4 was his best.

Come to find out he also had nitrous ???!!?!?!

Now if he had been a "better driver" Im willing to bet that he would easily destroy 14.4. I dont know my cars but I thought that car was 14.2 stock ? See what I mean ..

 

Actually, you see it quite ofeten in GA...but the cars don't remain stock for long. GT's are also slightly underrated in the HP department. Must be nice to have a car that's actually underrated

 

I have a 69 z but it no longer has the dz302 in it. I pulled it out and put it in the corner of the garage. It now has a bored and stroked small block thats at 434 cubic inches making 560 rear wheel hp, and puts it power through a heavley modified 700r4 into a 12 bolt with 4:11 gears. This is a street car, on street tires it runs 10.10 sec in the quarter @ 128 mph. On slicks it runs 9:60 secs at 133 mph. Its a real blast to drive but i still love my 2k2 max for everyday driving.

 

So you were speaking of the earlier 4.6?

then why is the topic "02 mustang gt, who would win"

-vq

 

put several videos of ford mustangs up in the 1/4 mile forums...check it out ..

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=252630