HP/TQ Ratings: 3.5SE Alt vs 2k2/3 Max 6sp
 

As I'm shopping around for a CAI, I naturally went to Injen's website where I was pleased to see that they have dyno charts to substantiate their HP/TQ increases.

What I wasnt pleased to see was the fact that their stock 5sp 3.5SE Altima made measurably more WHP/WTQ than the 6sp Max (208.6hp/215.3TQ versus 196.6hp/200.3TQ).

2002 Maxima SE 6sp
http://www.injen.com/webpages/testin...es/rd_1940.jpg

2002 Altima 3.5SE 5sp
http://www.injen.com/webpages/testin...nal/RD1979.jpg

I'm floored by this difference. WTH??? :confused:

NOTE: If this specific item was posted before, I apologize; the Search function was down as of this posting.

that would be why we are/were consulting with lawyers for legal action.

i thought it was the same hp??? not less??? am i wrong???

max was a 3rd gear pull..should have been 4th... :gotme:

I dont care what Dyno says , I have Navigation....no Alty has that from Nissan ! :laugh:

Aw..don't worry about it...You got a nicer interrior... :grinno:

gentlemen, at first I was a little upset when I realized what the power difference between 5th gens and 5.5 gens was, but now, I am very pleased that I wasn't able to afford a 5.5 gen, because that would make Altima people laugh at me! So all I can say, I feel sorry for you guys, at least I got what paid for :)

kloogy
dude, no offense there, but you overpaid about $1200 for that navigation, something that could've been done for say $600-700 and have more functions :slap: :gapteeth:

we're still faster than 2-2k1 :D
:nutkick:
but that does suck, even though the alti and the maxi are pulling about the same times on the track

I have one word to say about this reply.....retarded :newbie: ........do a little research and don't mind me laughing at you :lol:

different dyno, different day, different gear the cars dyno the exact same #'s the injen numbers are junk...

Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone) but I don't believe it matters what gear you're in when on the dyno as you only dyno in one gear.

Exactly!! At worst, I figured the 2K2 Max would have similar HP numbers to the 3.5SE.

yes it does matter what gear you're in. The closest 1:1 gear is 4th therefor it will pull higher numbers. Look at the dyno forum for peoples stock numbers and look at the altima forum for stock numbers. They are almost identical for the most part. Those numbers are way off on the maxima and pretty much right on for the altima.

i have a 2k, so are u saying i shouldnt get the injen CAI, like i was planning to??

it looks good and sounds good but thats about it...

Nice how you base you conclusions on a sample of 1. You are obviously no statistician. Probably a weak Max or a poorly pulled dyno run, or a combination of both. Most 6 speed Maxs put down 205 +/- 5 hp and 220 +/- 5 ft-lbs.

Do you have any dyno charts to post???? If so, we're all "eyes"!

so is it worth the $209??

Hey I don't know to much about the dyno's but if it says the the Max was pulled in third, and the Alty was in 4th from a roll on wouldn't that give the advantage to the Alt anyway.

i think thoses dyno numbers dont mean sh!t. see when u dyno there are so many factors you have to consider so these numbers dont mean crap. some people have dynoed over 200 hp stock.

It would help if the search function were up, but it is a rare that a 6 speed puts down less than 200 hp. I stand by my numbers based on the dynos I have seen.

Ive read about a few 6 speeds that have put down less than 200, but that would be strange......why would they Dyno the Altima in 4th gear , and The Max in 3rd ? :slap:

how am I retarted? You guys overpaid a good few g's where you could get the same power for less (hey, most of you brag about power of the 3.5 max)
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.

Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?

^ Actually, I think people were getting max's for under invoice while the more popular altima was selling at retail.. so the price difference was negligable.

How much did a base model 2001 go for compared to an equally equipped/trim level 2002? I would gladly pay any difference for the engine upgrade, not to mention the HIDs and various other things such as larger rotors. But I honestly dont think people were paying a lot more in 2k2 than 2k1

WTF! Stock Alty's are runnin' comparibly same 0-60/1320 numbers as 5.5 gen max's- with the same motor- I payed $23.9K for my 6MT SE whereas 3.5SE Alty were around 27.9K-

All I know is that Injen's numbers are weak -something wasn't right

It does not matter which gear you dyno in. The dyno drums calculate the exact gear ratios and calculate the ACTUAL HP/TQ based on that. I dyno identical numbers in 3rd gear vs 4th gear for example. That is the point behind a dyno. If you dyno considerably different numbers from one gear to another then something might be wrong with your tranny.

I have a brand new tranny BTW. But even with my old tranny I noticed a similar trend and that tranny was even dying! I think I must have close to 60 dynos between my Maxima and my previous car.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the 2k2/2k3 Maxima advertised at 255hp (crank) and the 3.5L Altima advertised at 245HP crank? That would mean that a stock 2k2/2k3 6-spd Maxima should dyno about 216HP at the wheels and the Altima should dyno about 208HP at the wheels. Seems like those two dynos are reversed, if anything.

That was my understanding also. Thank you, speed.

I'll have to dis-agree w/ the same power remark. I'm not the absolute best driver in the world and I've pulled on quite a few 2k and 2k1 Max's from a stop and from a roll. But we all fam so its all good!! :thumbsup:

and didn't you get yours on sale or something?

oh, no, I do NOT disagree that 2k-2k1 are slower. They are. That's a fact. What I was saying was that it's kind of sad that what many people pay for the Max they can get cheaper if they go with Alts. But then again, some are more lucky then others with all those rebates and stuff.

In the long run, it just seems like this is my first and last Max I have/will ever own. Nissan's politics towards MAximas are somewhat ununderstandable. G35, on the other, seems to be more maxima then the real Max itself :)

good for you...pulling on maximas with a base engine design from 95. go try pulling on G35s with a better VQ35 degsin then yours, then you'll be a hero

(95=first VQ in a maxima, 2k=better verison of the 95VQ but still the same base)

You just can't really trust vendor dynos. Also, the torque on that Maxima is ridiculously low. For all you know it could have been running on regular gas, not 91/93, or had something else small wrong with it. Could have been anything.

I'd take the numbers like a grain of salt. $0.02

well genius if you check 3rd party dynos you would see that both cars dyno the exact same. How did we overpay? New the 00-01 were the same price as the 02-03's and look what you got...the slowest maxima ever made. I have a sense of humor but not to dumb a$$ newbies that think they have all the right info but really don't know wtf they're talking about.

And for those that don't think it matters what gear you dyno in :rolleyes:

I agree with you here... and in fact, can you not get a 2k2/2k3 Maxima for as cheap as $24K? However the 3.5L Altima is no cheaper than about $27K.

... plus I'd rather say that I drive a Maxima than an Altima any day! :D
Why don't you call Dynojet and ask them? :) There is a toll free number on their website. I have called them to substantiate a lot of my dyno results since I was under the same misconception as you at first.

Well I still know it matters what gear you dyno in. I have been to many dyno days and been on the dyno many times and I know for a fact that the closest 1:1 gear on the dyno will pull higher numbers. This has been proven time and time again but I guess if Dynojet says it doesn't matter than its set in stone...

dude, i didn't get my max brand you, so you're the one who needs to ask questions first before making dumb conclusions like that. I do know that maxima and altima dyno the same, the price is different. The story of what you _can_ get it for is different. also, you forgot the cheap interrior thing and ugly design.

dude, you stupid or something, if i have fewer posts then you do does automaticallty make me wrong no matter what i say? Now, out of all your posts 90% is like "oh you stupid muthafreaking newbie." bro, GET A LIFE

who cares about price , dyno charts and all that other bs. If you all love driving your MAXIMA as much as i do than you wont care what people think. This site is called maxima.org, not altima.org....6sp 3.5L BABY, we got what we paid for nomatter what you say

The altima has the same 3.5, laid out the same way, on basically the same platform as the Maxima. The cars put down the same numbers. To me thats the end of it. I like the Maxima better and I got a good deal on it, cheaper than a 3.5 Altima. Wish it really had 255 hp, but i can deal with 240/245. 10 hp is like adding an intake - very little difference. No biggy

muthafreaking huh!!!Did you search all my posts or something? Wait you can't can you...

I have a great life and I know I have my facts straight so thats why you get called out like an idiot. Compare options genius a fully loaded altima is damn near the same price as a maxima with equal options. Also did I say you bought your max brand new?

Don't get your little panties in a bunch it will be ok...

ok ill dyno in 6th gear and then dyno in 1st and see if the numbers are same! :thumbsup: :grinno: