HP/TQ Ratings: 3.5SE Alt vs 2k2/3 Max 6sp
12-05-2003, 08:57 PM
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HP/TQ Ratings: 3.5SE Alt vs 2k2/3 Max 6sp
As I'm shopping around for a CAI, I naturally went to Injen's website where I was pleased to see that they have dyno charts to substantiate their HP/TQ increases.
What I wasnt pleased to see was the fact that their stock 5sp 3.5SE Altima made measurably more WHP/WTQ than the 6sp Max (208.6hp/215.3TQ versus 196.6hp/200.3TQ).
2002 Maxima SE 6sp
2002 Altima 3.5SE 5sp
I'm floored by this difference. WTH???
NOTE: If this specific item was posted before, I apologize; the Search function was down as of this posting.
What I wasnt pleased to see was the fact that their stock 5sp 3.5SE Altima made measurably more WHP/WTQ than the 6sp Max (208.6hp/215.3TQ versus 196.6hp/200.3TQ).
2002 Maxima SE 6sp
2002 Altima 3.5SE 5sp
I'm floored by this difference. WTH???
NOTE: If this specific item was posted before, I apologize; the Search function was down as of this posting.
12-06-2003, 05:40 AM
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gentlemen, at first I was a little upset when I realized what the power difference between 5th gens and 5.5 gens was, but now, I am very pleased that I wasn't able to afford a 5.5 gen, because that would make Altima people laugh at me! So all I can say, I feel sorry for you guys, at least I got what paid for 
kloogy
dude, no offense there, but you overpaid about $1200 for that navigation, something that could've been done for say $600-700 and have more functions
I dont care what Dyno says , I have Navigation....no Alty has that from Nissan !
dude, no offense there, but you overpaid about $1200 for that navigation, something that could've been done for say $600-700 and have more functions
12-06-2003, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
gentlemen, at first I was a little upset when I realized what the power difference between 5th gens and 5.5 gens was, but now, I am very pleased that I wasn't able to afford a 5.5 gen, because that would make Altima people laugh at me! So all I can say, I feel sorry for you guys, at least I got what paid for
kloogy
dude, no offense there, but you overpaid about $1200 for that navigation, something that could've been done for say $600-700 and have more functions
kloogy
dude, no offense there, but you overpaid about $1200 for that navigation, something that could've been done for say $600-700 and have more functions
but that does suck, even though the alti and the maxi are pulling about the same times on the track
12-06-2003, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
I am very pleased that I wasn't able to afford a 5.5 gen, because that would make Altima people laugh at me! So all I can say, I feel sorry for you guys, at least I got what paid for
........do a little research and don't mind me laughing at you 
12-06-2003, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by IgS
we're still faster than 2-2k1
but that does suck, even though the alti and the maxi are pulling about the same times on the track
but that does suck, even though the alti and the maxi are pulling about the same times on the track
12-06-2003, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
different dyno, different day, different gear the cars dyno the exact same #'s the injen numbers are junk...
Originally Posted by krmaxima
i thought it was the same hp??? not less??? am i wrong???
12-06-2003, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone) but I don't believe it matters what gear you're in when on the dyno as you only dyno in one gear.
Exactly!! At worst, I figured the 2K2 Max would have similar HP numbers to the 3.5SE.
Exactly!! At worst, I figured the 2K2 Max would have similar HP numbers to the 3.5SE.
12-06-2003, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
As I'm shopping around for a CAI, I naturally went to Injen's website where I was pleased to see that they have dyno charts to substantiate their HP/TQ increases.
What I wasnt pleased to see was the fact that their stock 5sp 3.5SE Altima made measurably more WHP/WTQ than the 6sp Max (208.6hp/215.3TQ versus 196.6hp/200.3TQ).
2002 Maxima SE 6sp
2002 Altima 3.5SE 5sp
I'm floored by this difference. WTH???
NOTE: If this specific item was posted before, I apologize; the Search function was down as of this posting.
What I wasnt pleased to see was the fact that their stock 5sp 3.5SE Altima made measurably more WHP/WTQ than the 6sp Max (208.6hp/215.3TQ versus 196.6hp/200.3TQ).
2002 Maxima SE 6sp
2002 Altima 3.5SE 5sp
I'm floored by this difference. WTH???
NOTE: If this specific item was posted before, I apologize; the Search function was down as of this posting.
12-06-2003, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaws
Nice how you base you conclusions on a sample of 1. You are obviously no statistician. Probably a weak Max or a poorly pulled dyno run, or a combination of both. Most 6 speed Maxs put down 205 +/- 5 hp and 220 +/- 5 ft-lbs.
12-06-2003, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Do you have any dyno charts to post???? If so, we're all "eyes"!
12-06-2003, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
I have one word to say about this reply.....retarded ........do a little research and don't mind me laughing at you
........do a little research and don't mind me laughing at you and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
12-06-2003, 06:43 PM
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^ Actually, I think people were getting max's for under invoice while the more popular altima was selling at retail.. so the price difference was negligable.
How much did a base model 2001 go for compared to an equally equipped/trim level 2002? I would gladly pay any difference for the engine upgrade, not to mention the HIDs and various other things such as larger rotors. But I honestly dont think people were paying a lot more in 2k2 than 2k1
How much did a base model 2001 go for compared to an equally equipped/trim level 2002? I would gladly pay any difference for the engine upgrade, not to mention the HIDs and various other things such as larger rotors. But I honestly dont think people were paying a lot more in 2k2 than 2k1
12-06-2003, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
how am I retarted? You guys overpaid a good few g's where you could get the same power for less (hey, most of you brag about power of the 3.5 max)
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
All I know is that Injen's numbers are weak -something wasn't right
12-06-2003, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
yes it does matter what gear you're in. The closest 1:1 gear is 4th therefor it will pull higher numbers. Look at the dyno forum for peoples stock numbers and look at the altima forum for stock numbers. They are almost identical for the most part. Those numbers are way off on the maxima and pretty much right on for the altima.
I have a brand new tranny BTW. But even with my old tranny I noticed a similar trend and that tranny was even dying! I think I must have close to 60 dynos between my Maxima and my previous car.
12-06-2003, 07:14 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the 2k2/2k3 Maxima advertised at 255hp (crank) and the 3.5L Altima advertised at 245HP crank? That would mean that a stock 2k2/2k3 6-spd Maxima should dyno about 216HP at the wheels and the Altima should dyno about 208HP at the wheels. Seems like those two dynos are reversed, if anything.
12-06-2003, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by speedemn
It does not matter which gear you dyno in. The dyno drums calculate the exact gear ratios and calculate the ACTUAL HP/TQ based on that. I dyno identical numbers in 3rd gear vs 4th gear for example. That is the point behind a dyno. If you dyno considerably different numbers from one gear to another then something might be wrong with your tranny.
12-06-2003, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
how am I retarted? You guys overpaid a good few g's where you could get the same power for less (hey, most of you brag about power of the 3.5 max)
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
12-06-2003, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
WTF! Stock Alty's are runnin' comparibly same 0-60/1320 numbers as 5.5 gen max's- with the same motor- I payed $23.9K for my 6MT SE whereas 3.5SE Alty were around 27.9K-
All I know is that Injen's numbers are weak -something wasn't right
All I know is that Injen's numbers are weak -something wasn't right
12-06-2003, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 1TyteMAX03
I'll have to dis-agree w/ the same power remark. I'm not the absolute best driver in the world and I've pulled on quite a few 2k and 2k1 Max's from a stop and from a roll. But we all fam so its all good!!
In the long run, it just seems like this is my first and last Max I have/will ever own. Nissan's politics towards MAximas are somewhat ununderstandable. G35, on the other, seems to be more maxima then the real Max itself
12-06-2003, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 1TyteMAX03
I'll have to dis-agree w/ the same power remark. I'm not the absolute best driver in the world and I've pulled on quite a few 2k and 2k1 Max's from a stop and from a roll. But we all fam so its all good!!
good for you...pulling on maximas with a base engine design from 95. go try pulling on G35s with a better VQ35 degsin then yours, then you'll be a hero
(95=first VQ in a maxima, 2k=better verison of the 95VQ but still the same base)
12-07-2003, 12:33 AM
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You just can't really trust vendor dynos. Also, the torque on that Maxima is ridiculously low. For all you know it could have been running on regular gas, not 91/93, or had something else small wrong with it. Could have been anything.
I'd take the numbers like a grain of salt. $0.02
I'd take the numbers like a grain of salt. $0.02
12-07-2003, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
how am I retarted? You guys overpaid a good few g's where you could get the same power for less (hey, most of you brag about power of the 3.5 max)
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
and don't give me that stupid "cheap interior" excuse haha.
Research on what? Yeah, 2ks are slower, so what? They're older, have smaller displacement and cost much less comparing to what many of you guys paid. Dude, you do some research. Btw, what happened to your sense of humor and stuff?
And for those that don't think it matters what gear you dyno in
12-07-2003, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
well genius if you check 3rd party dynos you would see that both cars dyno the exact same. How did we overpay? New the 00-01 were the same price as the 02-03's and look what you got...the slowest maxima ever made. I have a sense of humor but not to dumb a$$ newbies that think they have all the right info but really don't know wtf they're talking about.
... plus I'd rather say that I drive a Maxima than an Altima any day!
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
And for those that don't think it matters what gear you dyno in
There is a toll free number on their website. I have called them to substantiate a lot of my dyno results since I was under the same misconception as you at first.
12-07-2003, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by speedemn
Why don't you call Dynojet and ask them?
There is a toll free number on their website. I have called them to substantiate a lot of my dyno results since I was under the same misconception as you at first.
12-07-2003, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
well genius if you check 3rd party dynos you would see that both cars dyno the exact same. How did we overpay? New the 00-01 were the same price as the 02-03's and look what you got...the slowest maxima ever made. I have a sense of humor but not to dumb a$$ newbies that think they have all the right info but really don't know wtf they're talking about.
And for those that don't think it matters what gear you dyno in
And for those that don't think it matters what gear you dyno in
dude, you stupid or something, if i have fewer posts then you do does automaticallty make me wrong no matter what i say? Now, out of all your posts 90% is like "oh you stupid muthafreaking newbie." bro, GET A LIFE
12-07-2003, 11:58 AM
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who cares about price , dyno charts and all that other bs. If you all love driving your MAXIMA as much as i do than you wont care what people think. This site is called maxima.org, not altima.org....6sp 3.5L BABY, we got what we paid for nomatter what you say
12-07-2003, 12:04 PM
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The altima has the same 3.5, laid out the same way, on basically the same platform as the Maxima. The cars put down the same numbers. To me thats the end of it. I like the Maxima better and I got a good deal on it, cheaper than a 3.5 Altima. Wish it really had 255 hp, but i can deal with 240/245. 10 hp is like adding an intake - very little difference. No biggy
12-07-2003, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
dude, i didn't get my max brand you, so you're the one who needs to ask questions first before making dumb conclusions like that. I do know that maxima and altima dyno the same, the price is different. The story of what you _can_ get it for is different. also, you forgot the cheap interrior thing and ugly design.
dude, you stupid or something, if i have fewer posts then you do does automaticallty make me wrong no matter what i say? Now, out of all your posts 90% is like "oh you stupid muthafreaking newbie." bro, GET A LIFE
dude, you stupid or something, if i have fewer posts then you do does automaticallty make me wrong no matter what i say? Now, out of all your posts 90% is like "oh you stupid muthafreaking newbie." bro, GET A LIFE
muthafreaking huh!!!Did you search all my posts or something? Wait you can't can you...
I have a great life and I know I have my facts straight so thats why you get called out like an idiot. Compare options genius a fully loaded altima is damn near the same price as a maxima with equal options. Also did I say you bought your max brand new?
Don't get your little panties in a bunch it will be ok...
12-07-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by speedemn
It does not matter which gear you dyno in. The dyno drums calculate the exact gear ratios and calculate the ACTUAL HP/TQ based on that. I dyno identical numbers in 3rd gear vs 4th gear for example. That is the point behind a dyno. If you dyno considerably different numbers from one gear to another then something might be wrong with your tranny.
I have a brand new tranny BTW. But even with my old tranny I noticed a similar trend and that tranny was even dying! I think I must have close to 60 dynos between my Maxima and my previous car.
I have a brand new tranny BTW. But even with my old tranny I noticed a similar trend and that tranny was even dying! I think I must have close to 60 dynos between my Maxima and my previous car.
ok ill dyno in 6th gear and then dyno in 1st and see if the numbers are same!
