F23A4

Bump all of you guys who are trying to play it down!! The torque steer does suck. I run my Max @ the track and it flatout sucks (though the spectators do enjoy the burnout show I usually put on).

I want to tear out on a hard launch without pulling a "3:15" (if you know what I mean). TS (coupled with the HID theft problem) is why I may be trading up for a GS430 as soon as this weekend.

Benj-AMG

2004 Acura TL has similar specs and exhibits very little torque steer. Its a similar combo (FWD and lots of ponies) as our cars, how come its so different?

spirilis

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What's the core cause of torque steer...? Differences in the mass of the drive axles? (why not design the shorter driveaxle with dead weight around it so it's equal mass to the longer one?)

housecor

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Torque steer isn't just caused by unequal length drive axles. Check out this article for the full scoop on causes:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ed..._technobabble/

03maximan

Very informative housecor, thanks for that link- that makes complete sense!

spirilis

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Very informative!

So to summarize... torque steer has less to do with the uneven drive axle lengths and more with the fact that we are, of course, using the FRONT wheels to apply torque (where the front wheels have the ability to steer).
I guess RWD would theoretically have this problem, except the rear wheels can't steer, so there's no problem!

housecor

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Exactly. The sad fact is the Max (and it's competitors such as the TL) have pushed the capabilities of the front drive platform to the limit. The front tires simply have too much work to do! The only way the next generation of Maxima can produce much more torque/hp and still "behave" at the limit is to move to a RWD platform. I, for one, am hoping for just that in 2K8!

itdood

Or get an LSD for FWD, works wonders. If the front suspension is designed for power from the get-go, that too will help (i.e. double wishbone and/or less castor....BUT less castor=less centering force).

For HLSD the torque split can get as close as 60/40 from what I've read, I have no torque steer at all. It's schweet. But I think that will even give up traction wise @ about 260+ HP. Stock I still can't punch it in first w/o some wheel hop. 2nd I get some wheel spin around 4k once in a while but for the most part even the protenzas stay planted with the HLSD 2nd gear on...

itdood

I knew torque steer has a lot to due with the need for castor up front, here's similar articles on it with diagrams:

http://www.ukcar.com/features/tech/h...g/feedback.htm

Good suspension primer with torque steer explained further down:

http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_s...handling_6.htm

it's all about suspension geometry. these articles point out how double wishbone can help a lot.

jgibson146

If you had rwd and stomped on it you should be holding onto the steering wheel also. If your rwd has ***** you better be ready to do correctional steering. In the end any spirited driving requires hands on the wheel.

itdood

Hi limsandy,

That was very helpful, thanks.

read above, perhaps you'll learn something.

itdood

very true, I had a '70 chevelle with about 600 HP when I hit the nitrous, that thing was impossible to keep straight when I was on it, so much weight came off the front that the front tires didn't have much say in where the thing was going.

Benj-AMG

Nevermind. I'm just gonna trade my Maxima in for a unicycle.

bluemaxx

I don't have much experience 'modding' a Maxima or anything else FWD. So sometimes even when I think I know the answer I don't raise my hand.
But after reading this, http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ed..._technobabble/, I think I understand the connection between FSTB and torque steer.
If one accepts the author's overall premise, anything that helps anchor the top of the struts will have a positive impact on torque steer.
If the question is what is the first/best thing that one can do to mitigate torque steer, the answer is not FSTB. But the FSTB should be included on the list of things that can help torque steer.
My experience with mondo tq/hp is with G.M. RWD V8s. Camaro, Chevelle and Corvette. Any of these cars can get wormy when a big block and a stick are applied. The first/best way to get it under control is to reinforce and stiffen the chassis. That would seem to apply to the front end of a FWD car too.

MannyNJ2k2max

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just hold that focker like a man.....and keep it movin'........

PearlWhtMaX2000

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!!!

03maximan

I'm with ya -it seems some people just want to whine about the TS
that the Max has , if you got the ***** to floor it you should have the arms to hold it!.
P.S. a FSTB does help reduce TS.

NCTRNL

I mean honestly...if the damn thing starts to pull...let off the freaking gas... You will not get away from TS if you have front wheel drive. It is like asking how to get rid of fishtailing in a rear wheel drive car.

kklier

and neither does HLSD!!!!

bluemaxx

Neither does HLSD what?

kklier

I have read that HLSD is supposed to help reduce torque steer, but it does not.

PAPA SMURF

want to eliminate torque steer and wheel hop completely??? buy a damn RWD german car and be done with it

kklier

yup, I read the post wrong...

maximo-SE

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hahaha awesome thread

Wait how much is it to install HLSD on 2003 SEs?? Didnt know we can have it installed.....

Yeah when im trying to steer with the crazy torque we have, I have to brake no matter what... then I hit a Bostonian pot hole, which ****ed the hell outta me........

Benj-AMG

I've changed my mind. Can I get MORE torque steer?

sorcereur

Beat off more often. It'll strengthen your grip...

I have HLSD and if you say that it doesn't help tq steer, pass on the blunt.

MannyNJ2k2max

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puff puff give fool....

kklier

Yup, I had a 6spd for 2 weeks without HLSD while the found mine...with HLSD...I expected a larger difference with it. Personally, I don't mind the TS.

Then again, since I've been married my grip aint what it used to be...

bluemaxx

caugh, caugh, ear, ear

bluemaxx

Have you experienced both? With LSD v. without LSD?
My AE was not bad at all. And it got even better after the FSTB was installed.
The other non AE 2k1's I drove were noticeably worse.
If I had kept the AE it was destined for sub-frame connectors. I haven't done that to a FWD car but my money says it would have further improved torque steer.
It's all about keeping the drive wheels firmly planted and the steering geometry consistent.
But as you can see I have only 650 posts so I’m probably wrong.