Comparison PICS of STILLEN to HOTSHOT Headers
Comparison PICS of STILLEN to HOTSHOT Headers
I was able to shoot a few pics while installing the Hotshot headers...you gcan really see difference between the two. The quality of the Hotshots is so much better as well...
Not going to talk about performance because I dont believe in butt dynos but I am pleased with the results. I can tell you that I like the sound these produce much better.
Not going to talk about performance because I dont believe in butt dynos but I am pleased with the results. I can tell you that I like the sound these produce much better.
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Wow, didn't realize the huge difference in design, with that said the Hot Shot Headers look a lot better. So far I love my Headers. Juice when are you Dynoing? Maybe I can join you and get my car dynoed, because I'm dying to see what these bad boys are putting out.
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I like the longer primaries of the Hot Shot. I'm no design engineer but shouldn't this create a better scavenging effect? Plus the equal length y-pipe is a nice touch to keep the exhuast pulses from colliding. Stillen looks like they took a few minutes to build a generic design that fit, and then marketed it. And the dynos seem to reflect that.
yea I was shocked when I saw these pics last week. Ohh and I'm dynoing the HS headers today around lunch time
. And for the guys wanting the hotshot headers and are pre 02 get them anyway. They will fit with minor tweaks and the 02 bungs will need to be relocated.
. And for the guys wanting the hotshot headers and are pre 02 get them anyway. They will fit with minor tweaks and the 02 bungs will need to be relocated.
I expect you to post just as soon as you get back Matt.
Mine are still sitting on the shelf, waiting for a little warmer weather but plan on getting the b-pipe put on this week if Jeff can fit me in at Budget.
I could get them to do it but I prefer doing it myself, especially with an engine thats not 8 or 9 years old like I am used to working on. Its nice not to have every bolt rusted on.
Mine are still sitting on the shelf, waiting for a little warmer weather but plan on getting the b-pipe put on this week if Jeff can fit me in at Budget.
I could get them to do it but I prefer doing it myself, especially with an engine thats not 8 or 9 years old like I am used to working on. Its nice not to have every bolt rusted on.
Originally Posted by kloogy
The equal length Y pipe section is the best part of the setup......
Originally Posted by Jime
I expect you to post just as soon as you get back Matt.
Mine are still sitting on the shelf, waiting for a little warmer weather but plan on getting the b-pipe put on this week if Jeff can fit me in at Budget.
I could get them to do it but I prefer doing it myself, especially with an engine thats not 8 or 9 years old like I am used to working on. Its nice not to have every bolt rusted on.
Mine are still sitting on the shelf, waiting for a little warmer weather but plan on getting the b-pipe put on this week if Jeff can fit me in at Budget.
I could get them to do it but I prefer doing it myself, especially with an engine thats not 8 or 9 years old like I am used to working on. Its nice not to have every bolt rusted on.
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
I'll definately be posting as soon as I get back. As long as my car is healthy I should be the first with a dynojet dyno for the hotshot headers. I plan to get the runviewer files from my best y pipe dyno and overlay them onto the header dyno and screen shot it. Wish me luck I always get nervous when going to the dyno and expecting good gains from a certain mod.
All of us that already have them as expecting the best. Hope we are safe in assuming that it will do as well as the Altima.
Although from the y pipe to the header will obviously be less than from stock y to headers which is where they get the approx 20 HP I believe.
And I get to slap Stillen in the face, because I told them what was wrong with their headers...and now HS goes and basically builds a correct setup, just like I explained to Stillen. Sheesh, Stillen is so on again, off again...
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Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
And for the guys wanting the hotshot headers and are pre 02 get them anyway. They will fit with minor tweaks and the 02 bungs will need to be relocated.
Hey, Blu...can u expand on that a little bit? Meaning, are you saying that those of us with 00 or 01 3-liter engines can indeed use the HS headers with some mods? Exactly what is involved in the o2 bung relocation?
thanks in advance....
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Originally Posted by HitManSE
Basically just plugging up the original o2 location, and welding an o2 bung at another location. Nothing major 
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Originally Posted by Y2KSESteve
The primaries from the HotShot headers should bolt up to any VQ, but the secondary pipes is where the 1995-2001 maximas may run into problems.
Steve....help me out here a bit...when u say 'secondaries' I presume you mean the second part of the headers, the long section with the flex coupling that in essence replaces what today is replaced with a y-pipe.
If that's the case, this one-piece section of the header kit bolts up on two sides: one to the individual header downpipes/collector assembly and the other to the b-pipe which contains the cat & resonator, etc.
When u say it has fitment problems on the secondaries, what does that mean? Does it not align well with the cat/B-pipe? I cant see why it would not align well with the primaries/downpipe/collector assembly, so....what do you mean here?
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Originally Posted by Luquire
man we need hotshot to make some headers for 00-01. they could redesign it in no time flat. it probably would not take them more than a day to redesign and then a week to build.
Agree there -that we need them, that is. Do we have a group deal in the making????
We have not tried the headers and neither has HotShot on a 3.0. By secondary I am referring to the Y-pipe section. It may bolt up fine, it may not. You guys should contact HotShot and encourage them to make a set for the 3.0 or at least test them. I've been trying to get them to myself, but I think they need more enthusiasm,
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Originally Posted by Y2KSESteve
We have not tried the headers and neither has HotShot on a 3.0. By secondary I am referring to the Y-pipe section. It may bolt up fine, it may not. You guys should contact HotShot and encourage them to make a set for the 3.0 or at least test them. I've been trying to get them to myself, but I think they need more enthusiasm,
By all means, send them a note!! This is excerpted from an email exchange between Sergio at HS and I (about three weeks ago) on this subject of fitment of the 3.5 liter headers to the 3 liter cars:
galo, hello. well, unfortunately, we really don't know the answer to that question at this time. we're definitely aware of the relationship between the vq35 and vq30 mills; but have yet to physically try to fit our 2002-2003 header on these slightly older models. Truthfully, if we do end up finding this out, BELIEVE ME, it will be made public by every available avenue to us. anyhow, sorry i could'nt be of more direct assistance. take care. Sergio, HSP .
I just got my e-mail from hotshot.
brian, hello. well, we will definitely be considering parts fabrication for this particular engine/car in the future. however, as of right now, we don't have any IMMEDIATE plans to do so. best bet if interested in following our potential progress on this part/project would be to stop by our website every now and then to check out our updates pertaining to new product releases. www.hotshot.com hope this helps.
sergio, HSP.
brian, hello. well, we will definitely be considering parts fabrication for this particular engine/car in the future. however, as of right now, we don't have any IMMEDIATE plans to do so. best bet if interested in following our potential progress on this part/project would be to stop by our website every now and then to check out our updates pertaining to new product releases. www.hotshot.com hope this helps.
sergio, HSP.
Originally Posted by Galo
John...does that mean the mounting flanges that mate up to the cylinder heads are 100% perfect fit and the only changes required are these relatively minor ones??
just takes a bit more time & some patience but it should work. Im guessing the worst thing you'd have to do is bust out an air grinder and mess with the holes. They might be a few mm off, but thats nothing
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Originally Posted by HitManSE
I have not personally tried yet, so Im not 100% sure. What I can tell you though is with the right tools...anything can fit just takes a bit more time & some patience but it should work. Im guessing the worst thing you'd have to do is bust out an air grinder and mess with the holes. They might be a few mm off, but thats nothing
just takes a bit more time & some patience but it should work. Im guessing the worst thing you'd have to do is bust out an air grinder and mess with the holes. They might be a few mm off, but thats nothing Yes, I am a 3.0 guy.
And will be able to purchase should some nice gains be realized. Yes...I want to see dynos. 800 clams for pipes that just "sound good" is NOT a performance mod....But based on HS past performance, I would suspect nothing less than a good product anyway.
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The flanges on the Hotshot headers look a bit flimsy compared to the Stillen. Otherwise the HS headers look like they'll produce more power than the shorty Stillen's. I hope more of you start showing some power gains with these things. Hopefully HS will realize that the market for FWD VQ 3.0 headers is significantly larger than that of the FWD VQ 3.5.
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Originally Posted by Dave B
The flanges on the Hotshot headers looks a bit flimsy compared to the Stillen. Otherwise the HS headers look like they're produce more power than the shorty Stillen's. I hope more of you start showing some power gains with these things. Hopefully HS will realize that the market for FWD VQ 3.0 headers is significantly larger than that of the FWD VQ 3.5.
HS needs to tool a 3-liter header with all four o2 bungs (to fit the worst case '00 and '01 Cali Maxes) and supply plugs to fit the Fed spec cars....if they did that, the market would be all Maxes 1995 thru 2001, inclusive....yikes!
Sergio..are you seeing this? I'm going to send u an email, just in case....
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I also just noticed how much shorter the flex section is on the HS headers. That makes me a bit concerned because all the Y-pipe makers realized years ago that short flex sections simply don't cut it because the VQ flexes hard in it's mounts and torques the hell out of the flex section ultimately blows the flex. At least the fix is easy if/when the flex section decides to blow out on the HS y-pipe.
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Originally Posted by Dave B
I also just noticed how much shorter the flex section is on the HS headers. That makes me a bit concerned because all the Y-pipe makers realized years ago that short flex sections simply don't cut it because the VQ flexes hard in it's mounts and torques the hell out of the flex section ultimately blows the flex. At least the fix is easy if/when the flex section decides to blow out on the HS y-pipe.
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Originally Posted by Quicksilver
And I get to slap Stillen in the face, because I told them what was wrong with their headers...and now HS goes and basically builds a correct setup, just like I explained to Stillen. Sheesh, Stillen is so on again, off again...
yes but Im waiting for my runviewer files. Not as high as most are thinking but the last time I dynoed at this shop I made 210whp and 220tq. After the headers and removal of the HKS rear section and adding the stock muffler back on I gained 18whp and 13wtq. I will make a full post tomorrow with an overlay of todays dyno with the dyno last November. Also a quick compar. my buddy Scott with an 02 6 speed with full exhaust, UDP, GAB only made 209whp and 224wtq so these headers are for real and the dyno I ran on seems a little low, but I'll let the track numbers speak for themselves
and Im also running 12.0 a/f so TS can fix that and should bump the numbers a little more. 240whp is easily within reach after the ECU upgrade. And the numbers are SAE corrected not STD like everyone else posts.
Juice,
Got your message. I'm out of town for work until thursday night. I'll call you tomorrow to set up a dyno time. Nice pics. Glad your liking those HS headers. What did you end up doing with the secondary o2 bungs?
Got your message. I'm out of town for work until thursday night. I'll call you tomorrow to set up a dyno time. Nice pics. Glad your liking those HS headers. What did you end up doing with the secondary o2 bungs?
Originally Posted by 02MaximizedVQ
So you're saying you dyno'd at 228 hp and 233 tq with HotShot and stock muffler? The stock muffler is awfully restrictive...isn't the inlet 2 inches in diameter?