we were leaving the base and i asked him if he wanted to run and he said sure. i wanted to see how the max would hold up after the header install.i was in 2nd and about 3000rpm and i told him to go and he took off about a second before me he was a car length ahead until i was @6000rpm at 3rd gear i started to gain on him we stopped @ 110mph with me @ his passenger door. i believe that if we started out at the same time i would have had him. he was a guy i work with. just a good run. he was boosting 5psi. should i have had gotten beat bad or did the max do a worthy job?

 

you could have done better since you say you were coming on to him. is your car stick or auto?
but either way good race.

 

The Max should win that one. The 240 handles great but is pretty slow (used to drive my mom's 89 240). The turbo would have to increase his hp by about 50-60 rwhp to keep up with the Max. and then whoever has a manual will have an extra advantage. I bet that 240 is fun to drive though!

 

Was it a turbo KA or an SR20det?

 

1989 240sx w. ka24e = 140hp
1989 240sx w. sr20det red = 205
1995 240sx w. sr20det black = 220
1995 240sx w. Greddy Turbo = 220+

Also these are stock motors. You put an intake exhaust downpipe intercooler etc w/ more boost and you are well over 280hp.... btw the sr20det can take much more boost from factory...

Also the sr20det or the greddy, xs, or f-max kit all run more than 5 psi.... i dont think that their wastegate spring is set that low...

Used to have a custom turbo kit w/ a t3/t4 hybrid revhard manifold greddy wastegate etc... on a 95 240sx ... and would always ... and i mean always ... serve my friend in his 2000 maxima... and I dont mean just "keeping up"

 

well my trunk was full(about 100lbs) and so was my gas tank...i will run him again!!

 

With 5psi he must've had the KA, but each psi gives about 12hp or something, depending on the car of course.
I think it was a good job to keep up with the car if it was boosted. You should've continued to 4th. I bet you would've left him as soon as 4th hit 4500rpms. I love that gear.

 

Whats up with the supra?

 

a tuned SR20DET will kill any max...sorry..

 

Sorry, but he's damm right!!

 

An SR20DET has insane internals. I love that 4banger.

The supra is my "other" car.

 

You should've walked him easily.

 

I played with the idea of doing a SR Swap on the 240z. S13 maily b/c of Cost Reasons. S14 is too expensive of a project b/c the car is still up there in price. I'm not sure about 5psi but If its a Redtop or Black top SR engine, he should be enough to take a Maxima out. There's a point to how much those SR's will make with basic boltons, Fuel and Boost upgrades. Beyond that, The $$ factor starts to kick in to make them go Real fast. Bigger turbo, better internals etc etc..


My Supaaaa nicer Looking

 

Showoff

 

I have a SR20DET powered P10 G20, and I can tell ya... any FWD DET powered car will SMOKe the shizzo out of a RWD car. Most 240SXs run low 14s with just a swap, us FWD folks run mid to low 13s on stock engines. I have built a 547WHP all turbo SR20DET ( had NOS too, 50 shot but never used it) with all stock Nissan Motorsport internalls, basically GTi-R internals. Pistons cost me 175 for all 4, rods where 130 bux for 4, and 75 bux for pistons rings. VQ might be a great engine, but I would yank it for a SR20DET in my Maxima :P 5psi on a KA24DE is about 200-230WHP depending on mods. I am currently building a KA24DE for my friends 97 240SX, forged Ross Pistons, stock shot peened rods, blue printed and balanced lower end, JWT cams, TO4E .82 AR exhaust housing turbo w/ Super60 compressor. I'm looking for around 400HP and 420lbs of torque. Nissan 4 cylinders are always better than the V6s when it comes down to making power. Give me enough $$$ and I will make a 1000WHP Maxima The crank will snap in half on a VQ motor at anything over 500WHP for prolonged period of time. SR20s are good for 400-500WHP with nothing touched on lower end of the motor. I hate Supras :P

 

BTW if U got the cash and wanna build a sick SR20 engine, PM me Don't matter if U wanna NA or Turbo engine.... I been around these things for years. I have tons of pictures etc. I don't like 240SX for one reason, they are slower than the Sentras... unless ya wanna car that does donuts and drifts, then S13 is tha shizzo. For all out speed, look for a B13 or B12.

 

SR20DET are crazy engines. Response from them is about as good as the RB engines i hear.
My next project after the supra is a sr20 powered 240 for sure. For track though.

Why don't you like supras? The 7M power represented a few times on you? :P

 

Oh yeah, why would you want that kind of power in a FWD car to begin with? Besides, with those power levels the RWD won't be no dog.

 

Like that time you left me on 540 When I was behind you in the Supra

My car @ 7Psi, The Maxima was just holding up traffic on the Hwy at 100MPH

 

As i said earlier....

 

Reason I hate Supras- I used to own a 300ZX TT with JWT Sport 650s on it I'm a Nissan guy, never lost to a Supra on the highway with my SE-R at 24psi of boost. 7MGTE sounds nice... all I will give it :P VG30DETT makes more power. I work for a Acura/Lexus dealer as a tech... I see 7Ms all the time gloriffied IS motor. Nissan V6 vs Toyota V6- Nissan wins, Nissan I6 vs Toyota I6- Nissan wins- RB series motor.... 4 Cylinder hands down SR20. Team up with a JWT SR24 kit.... I reather own a DSM than a Supra sorry. I don't care how good the car looks if its slow.

 

If U wanna drag race ONLY, FWD SR20 will cost LESS. U can make a SE-R run 9s in the 1/4 for about 15K bux including the car. Try that with a Honda or a 240SX. We where talking bout a straight line performance here. Most Maxima drivers here are not interested in road racing their car like I am. I don't have my SE-R no more. U really need a ride in a 200WHP NA SR20 FWD road race SE-R or P10 to trully appreciate what FWD can do. 240SX are pretty expensive to build nowa days since everyone and their mother seems to be doing swaps and drift cars. Road Racing and drifin' are totally diff. Going sideways around corners is not the fastest way around the track- ask any gokart racer

 

Dude you are getting too Hyper.. Relaxx, Here are some Facts for you to boost on..

VG = V6 Twin Turbo
7M = I6 Single Turbo
IS = 2JZ GE NON TURBO No Car but MKIII Supra Turbo uses 7MGTE in the U.S(And there are Only a Hand Full of em to be found, Much less MOdded to hell) I'm willing to put $ down You find more "GLORIFIED" SR Owners out there then You'll ever find 7M.

Nissan V6 Vs Toyota V6 = VQ is a Nice motor
Nissan I6 Vs Toyota I6 = Good Argument RB Vs 2JZ GTE Both will make 800HP easy on stock bottom, get the HKS Stroker kit for the RB and make it a 3.2liter displacement.

Nissan 4 Cylinder Vs Toyotas 3S GTE.. FORGET IT..TOYOTA All the way..

RB is Nissan's Race Engine
3S is Toyotas Race Engine

300ZX is soo far behind in power its not even funny. And you are contridicting your above statement, "I will make a 1000WHP Maxima The crank will snap in half on a VQ motor at anything over 500WHP for prolonged period of time" A VQ is the VG's Successor.. so If the VQ will snap the crank, What makes you think the VG can produce as much power?

Lets just say, I'm not a dreamer about turbo cars, I've been around the block a few times and know what my compitition has to offer.

 

94 SC300 Lexus uses the 7MGE motor... sorry. 3SGTE while a nice motor, has a Yamaha head and blows head gaskets left and right. I dont see many of them used in competition compared to SR20s. There are plenty of 600+WHP VG30DETTs roming around, VG doesn't share anything with the VQ motor, have ya ever torn a VG30DETT apart and compared it to a VQ motor ? VQ motor wasn't produced to be forced inducted, it was build for longetivity, efficiency, low emissions and smoothness. VG motor will last longer than a VQ motor under boost. U are correct that 7MGTE was used in the MKIII but the same motor- sans the turbo was used in a Cressida- I owned one of these. I have a pretty good source in-within Nissan, one of my friends is a engineer and used to do engine failure investigations for Nissan Warranty department (now works for Nismo). He straight up told me to watch for crank shaft failures on the VQ motors. VG30 motor is the most bullet proof V6 engine Nissan made- especially the DETT version. I also been around the block a few times, built quite a few turbo engines in my past... Show me a 1000HP 3SGTE and I will show ya a 1000*WHP* SR20DET. It just goes to show ya Toyota has to source help from Yamaha to make a decent motor, where Nissan does their own development, and still makes a better, stronger motor. RB is not a Race engine, they made RB30E motors in Africa and Australia, and there is nothing RACE bout it. Only real race engine Nissan ever had was a SR20DET *54C* - this is not a ****ing game as to who knows what bout this n that car company's engine. Since this is a Nissan Maixma forum, I don't wanna read bout Toyotas leaking oil, blown headgasket, tranny leaking pigs. Thanx have a nice nite.

 

Bro, now you're really talking before thinking. I thought you were taught better.
I am willing to bet you have NEVER seen the 7M engine before. IS with 7M? Show me 1. Now if you're talking about the 2jz and comparing that to the SR20, that's even a crazier.
Bro, the Sentra and 240s are nice cars and i am more of a Nissan fan than most guys here, but to knock on the supra is crazy. Let's be honest here. You spend 15k in your sentra to make it a 9sec car.
I spend 1/2 that to make the supra eat the sentra and spit out the chassis.
As mentionned, the 7M will put down WAY more power than the SR can ever dream of for much much less money.
When the site is up, pay a visit to 7mpower.com. You'll be surprised.
You're just talking about horsepower here. Now in terms of torque, which matters most, the SR will NEVER EVER EVER, did i say EVER, make the kind of torque the 7M does.
VG30DETT? What a joke it was. There are some fast 300zs out there but boy are they weak compared to the 7M.
I wonder why do you never hear of VG30DETT powered cars when you're talking high powered cars.
There are way more faster mkiii supras out there than vg powered.
Also, the true competition to the vg powered 300z is the 1jz powered supra in japan.
That's another ballpark all in itself.
Being a tech for a dealer doesn't make you any more knowledgeable.
We rebuild engines here like we change oil. 5th pull this past weekend in less than 6months, and i don't even deal with cars for a living.
You remind me of the guys that go to a dyno day and when a mkiii pulls in they laugh. But then this happens almost everytime....

http://mkiiisupra.com/jt2ma71/dynovid.wmv

 

Bro, best advice i'll give you......
QUIT YOUR JOB.
94 SC300 with 7MGE? Pigs have wings too you know.
You're the reason why i don't take my cars to dealers. They don't even know the product they're carry.
The only 3 accurate things you said in this whole thread is that we are all on maxima.org, that Nissan makes good engines, and that the cressida had the 7MGE.
Show me 1 pattern of the 3SGTE blowing headgaskets. You're thinking the stock 7m. Guess what? A 1.2mm HKS Metal Head gasket fixes that. AND, that same gasket holds ton of power.
That's the ONLY re-occuring problem with STOCK 7MGTE engines.
Boy, have you made a fool out of yourself today.
If you don't know that the RB26 is nissan's race engine and the 3SGTE is toyota's, then you need a new hobby. The 3sgte is in toyota's race cars. NOT the 2jz.

Boy, this was funny...... 94 SC300 with 7MGE..

BTW, it has the same engine as the glorified IS300 you're supposed to be servicing...

 

SC 300 and the GS300 both use a 2JZ GE.. ALL years..
89-92 Cessida's use 7MGE N/A so does 86.5-92 supra, and some trucks overseas..

Nissan is not ammune from any of the above problems.. you talk about 500HP, the VQ throws a Rod at 400HP (i'm sure you've seen the video of the 350Z I'm talking about) and few of the Nos and Turbo happy guys here.

Maybe we'll cross our path's one day at the track, should be a Good Toyota Vs Nissan battle. I havn't clamed any #z on my car here but I have enough to take a VG

 

Oh for the record, The same SC300 with the 7MGE With a 2JZ GTE and 6speed will put it on Any VG You can bring to the table

 

I'm never letting a technician at the dealer touch my car again. This is scary.

 

I've seen a 7M, I've done a few head gaskets on those motors. Since ya own one U ARE BIASED towards it. I wanna see U get a SUPRA in the 9s INCLUDING the car for 15K bux... SHOW ME PLEASE. Read the original post where I write 15K bux for 9 sec SE-R including a car. I wanna 9 sec 15K dollar Supra, that is NONE EXISTANT. Torque ? once again when U run 9s for 15K bux including the car does it matter that a 2JZ makes 900HP and runs the same time with about 30K+ dollars worth of mods on it PLUS a 40K dollar car on top of that. See here in the midwest, Supras don't rule the streets, its the DSMs that rule the streets or the strips. Most Supra owners are cocky guys who can't accept the fact that there are cheaper, faster cars out there that will eat em alive. Just cause U own a Supra don't mean U concoured the friggn world man, seems like the same attitude every Supra guy has- SUPRAS ARE DA BOMB, and if god where to drive a car it WOULD be a Supra. Bow down to the mighty Supra sorry I got into this... but I hate Supra owners and their cars.

 

For the record I work at a Lexus Acura dealer, and I will not touch a Toyota Product with a 10 foot pole, I done head gaskets on their motors INCLUDING friends 100K mile 92 MR2 Turbo that had a blow gasket and a warped head. I don't care what motor Toyota sticks in any of their cars cause my tool box wears a Calvin ****ing on Lexus sticker... thats how much I like their cars. BTW do U know what a 54C Nissan engine is ? Seems like U read alot of BS online... Personally I'm not a 350Z fan, I hate the car, take my old 92 TTZ with 200K miles on STOCK head gaskets any day.

 

Do you even know how much a MKIII costs man or are you just talking out of frustration? $3000 for a Good Looking MKIII, $1000 for a Busted *** Blown headgasket/Blown Rod, Torn Seats, faded body. Now I have $14,000 to spend on Engine mods..

7MGTE Block JE Forged internals, Twin Valve springs, retainiers all the other goodies
T70
Walbro Twin Pumps, 720injectors,
Chevy 3shifter tanny
high stall Tq Converter

Who said it had to look pretty :-p
Oh its been done brohter..

there is a difference in a Supra and a MKIII Owner. I think you are reffereing to the MKIV supra owner as being cocky. Just like you are trying to keep the SR alive, I'm trying to keep a 7M alive. They are both old warriers. There are better improved machines out there but I love my car b/c its not like the other cars on the road.. Hell most of the ricers don't even know there was a supra before 1993.

Keep it real man, Not knocking on anything, just stating facts.

 

I wanna see one run 9s 1st, I am refferencing MKVI owners here with their trailer queens runing 11s with thousands of mods in them, talking **** to guys who have about 6K bux into the car including it at the strip. Then they try showing off on the way back from the strip what their car can do on the highway and what it can't do on the track..... sorry that I offended anyone, I'm not into Toyotas cause they have nothing interesting to offer since the demise of the MKVI. I reather own a DSM any day. My friend just got a MKIII from a junk yard for 1200 bux, blown head gasket, hes got about 2K + car in it so far still in the 14s. This is like a discussion bout blonds vs brunettes... everyone has their favorites. Peace.

 

Bro, you have a lot of frustration against the MKIV croud and you need to know when to unleash it and where to aim it. The sig you see is a mkiii, not a mkiv.
I am not biased. If i was, i wouldn't be driving a maxima.
As mentioned before, i am a nissan fan before all other brands. But since Nissan can't bring their true engines here, i have to settle for the brands that do.
THAT being said, the supra is not a car to knock on. It's a VERY heavy car, and puts it down like almost no other. You can't hate a car that has proven itself because of the owners.
A mkiii supra is sooooo overlooked and underrated it's not even funny. Now even mkiv owners are starting to give respect to the mkiii because of what they've seen them do. Believe it or not, a mkiii putting down 400HP ONLY, does as much damage as a mkiv doing 600hp (if not more).
And on stock internals and nothing but boltons costing less than 3k.
Your friend needs to call people who know supras instead of trying to be a hero.
Between pioneer and I we both have good example of reliable mkiiis that are fast.
Right now my car is stock with intake and exhaust and i bet you it's in the 14s. A turbo elbow and downpipe, mbc set to 13psi puts me in the 13s. And this only for $500 tops.
Don't look down on the 7M or you'll be surprised my friend.
But i still stand by the fact that you don't know the 7M. You're thinking of the 2JZGE, otherwise why would u say that the sc300 has the 7m if you work for a lexus dealership?

 

BTW, if you're comparing nissan's general reliability to toyota's, then that's a whole other mistake.

 

BlackBIRDVQ: damn, wanna be my best friend? I'd hit you up for technical **** all day. haha

Anyway it's all about road racing for me, anything over 500whp is undrivable IMO. As for me I'll always be a little biased after seeing a streetable R34 kill a 10 second build camaro without even smoking it's tires. I bet he could have taken that thing to the road course later that same day And just so you all know the VQ is now nissan's 'race engine' http://www.nissan-dakar.com/EN/SPECIAL/RACING_VQ/

I know yall love your maximas, but u have to admit. 2JZ owners are a little bit elitist aren't they?