Installed my Dragon Intake - WeaponR
08-30-2004, 08:59 AM
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Installed my Dragon Intake - WeaponR
I must admit, this was my first mod and I love it.
If you want to purshase a short ram, the dragon is worth every dollar.
Crisp acceleration, deep growl noise over 3000 RPM.
BTW : I've read somewhere that Weapon R "garantees" 7WHP.....
I mean, I notice a diffrence but 7whp is a lot, could that be ?
If you want to purshase a short ram, the dragon is worth every dollar.
Crisp acceleration, deep growl noise over 3000 RPM.
BTW : I've read somewhere that Weapon R "garantees" 7WHP.....
I mean, I notice a diffrence but 7whp is a lot, could that be ?
08-31-2004, 07:35 AM
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u know, at first i didn't really like the growl at low rpms. But then I pulled up to a couple of ferraris and mustangs. theres bite to that bark. And it helped me justify it a lot more.
Gains? I have quicker revs but i dont seem quicker. I have the dragon, and a 5 sp. Met a Nissan tech who said there are upgrades for the ecu and other electrical "things" that should be done to acccount for the extra air flow.
Now this may defeat the weapon technology, but anyone considerin the K&N cone filter? I hear the weapon filter can be damaging? Waht should i tell my dealer if i want the best MAF? Does the SES light come on or will it come up with codes from ECU? I'm gettin the WSP Y pipe soon, Will my car be a lot louder?
Wow, even more questions still.
Gains? I have quicker revs but i dont seem quicker. I have the dragon, and a 5 sp. Met a Nissan tech who said there are upgrades for the ecu and other electrical "things" that should be done to acccount for the extra air flow.
Now this may defeat the weapon technology, but anyone considerin the K&N cone filter? I hear the weapon filter can be damaging? Waht should i tell my dealer if i want the best MAF? Does the SES light come on or will it come up with codes from ECU? I'm gettin the WSP Y pipe soon, Will my car be a lot louder?
Wow, even more questions still.
08-31-2004, 02:01 PM
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yes, get rid of the included filter asap. The foam in the filter will disintegrate in guess where the particles end up - your engine! Yes, it looks cool, but is the cool looks worth screwing up your engine for? There is no "weapon technology," it's just a stylish-looking foam filter.....
I'd suggest replacing it with an Apexi filter - it is similar to the K&N cone design, but you don't have to oil the Apexi like you do the K&N and from my experiece it is very good at catching particles, dirt, etc....
BTW, a short-ram intake will not make you "quicker" per se. Most people who have them have experienced a low-rpm power loss combined with better power on the high end where the additional airflow comes into play.All short-ram intakes are essentially the same....Weapon, Frankencar, Berk, etc.....
The MAF you want is number 226802Y001. You can get it for $88 at jerryromenissan.com. This is the updated MAF for the 2k-2k1. You just install it and you're done. Might want to reset the ECU by unplugging the battery for about 30 mins and then plugging it back in. As I said in the other thread, don't bother getting your ECU "flashed" - it will not do anything (except maybe give you peace of mind I suppose).
And yes, the WSP Y-pipe will make the car louder - on the 2k it gives kind of a low rumble at stoplights and roar at WOT. The rumble annoys me personally (in soonerfan's max) but some people really like it. But no, it won't be ALOT louder, just "kind of" louder
I'd suggest replacing it with an Apexi filter - it is similar to the K&N cone design, but you don't have to oil the Apexi like you do the K&N and from my experiece it is very good at catching particles, dirt, etc....
BTW, a short-ram intake will not make you "quicker" per se. Most people who have them have experienced a low-rpm power loss combined with better power on the high end where the additional airflow comes into play.All short-ram intakes are essentially the same....Weapon, Frankencar, Berk, etc.....
The MAF you want is number 226802Y001. You can get it for $88 at jerryromenissan.com. This is the updated MAF for the 2k-2k1. You just install it and you're done. Might want to reset the ECU by unplugging the battery for about 30 mins and then plugging it back in. As I said in the other thread, don't bother getting your ECU "flashed" - it will not do anything (except maybe give you peace of mind I suppose).
And yes, the WSP Y-pipe will make the car louder - on the 2k it gives kind of a low rumble at stoplights and roar at WOT. The rumble annoys me personally (in soonerfan's max) but some people really like it. But no, it won't be ALOT louder, just "kind of" louder
08-31-2004, 02:06 PM
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But then I pulled up to a couple of ferraris and mustangs. theres bite to that bark. And it helped me justify it a lot more.
08-31-2004, 06:20 PM
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which intake from these three are cheaper? and where can i get one from? Weapon, Frankencar, Berk? and do they make the pipes black instead of chrome and where can i get a apexi filter also? thanks guys. i am a nebie with intakes. this will be my first purchase and i need one to get asap so i can drive my car again. thanks.
08-31-2004, 06:25 PM
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[QUOTE=irish44j]yes, get rid of the included filter asap. The foam in the filter will disintegrate in guess where the particles end up - your engine! Yes, it looks cool, but is the cool looks worth screwing up your engine for? QUOTE]
Do you know this first hand? Do you have proof? I have had a Weapon R intake on every Maxima I have ever owned (3 all together). I have never had any problems whatsoever. My brother has my old 95 Maxima with a Weapon R intake with the original filter. This intake has been on there for over 4 years and is still in perfect condition. If what you say is true, that "the foam will disintegrate," then why haven't any of mine? I have always been pleased with the quality and performance of these intakes.
Do you know this first hand? Do you have proof? I have had a Weapon R intake on every Maxima I have ever owned (3 all together). I have never had any problems whatsoever. My brother has my old 95 Maxima with a Weapon R intake with the original filter. This intake has been on there for over 4 years and is still in perfect condition. If what you say is true, that "the foam will disintegrate," then why haven't any of mine? I have always been pleased with the quality and performance of these intakes.
08-31-2004, 06:28 PM
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Frankencar comes in black, red, and silver powdercoat (i think) and is made of steel. They are available with Apexi or K&N filters from F.C. www.frankencar.com
Berk is essentially identical to frankencar except it is aluminum and comes in a brushed or polished finish (though I'm sure you could paint it if youwanted to).... www.berktechnologies.com (I think!) I'm sure you can get Apexi or K&N filter with it also.
Weapon....well see above - the filter it comes with is neat looking but not good IMHO.
There are also a couple other short-ram intakes such as stillen and some others, but Berk and FC are the "big 2" of the short-rams. There is also the Injen "long-ram" and the Place racing, which is a true COLD air intake (all the others are "warm-air intakes)
And then there is the GAB (which is free and gives the same results as the others!!) and the OSCAI, which is basically a "ghetto do-it-yourself intake"
I have a Frankencar, and am happy with it. I think most of the "veterans" here are using Berk.......
damn my fingers are tired now.
Berk is essentially identical to frankencar except it is aluminum and comes in a brushed or polished finish (though I'm sure you could paint it if youwanted to).... www.berktechnologies.com (I think!) I'm sure you can get Apexi or K&N filter with it also.
Weapon....well see above - the filter it comes with is neat looking but not good IMHO.
There are also a couple other short-ram intakes such as stillen and some others, but Berk and FC are the "big 2" of the short-rams. There is also the Injen "long-ram" and the Place racing, which is a true COLD air intake (all the others are "warm-air intakes)
And then there is the GAB (which is free and gives the same results as the others!!) and the OSCAI, which is basically a "ghetto do-it-yourself intake"
I have a Frankencar, and am happy with it. I think most of the "veterans" here are using Berk.......
damn my fingers are tired now.
08-31-2004, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MAXINXS
Do you know this first hand? Do you have proof? I have had a Weapon R intake on every Maxima I have ever owned (3 all together). I have never had any problems whatsoever. My brother has my old 95 Maxima with a Weapon R intake with the original filter. This intake has been on there for over 4 years and is still in perfect condition. If what you say is true, that "the foam will disintegrate," then why haven't any of mine? I have always been pleased with the quality and performance of these intakes.
In general terms, though, a foam filter is "more likely" to disintegrate at a slow rate and release particles than will a paper/composite filter.
Also, you are splitting definitions here. The FILTER is not the INTAKE. They are two seperate things. The Weapon R intake can be used with an Apexi, K&N, Stillen, whatever filter. BTW, after 4 years, you should be changing the filter anyhow....
Don't get all defensive, I'm not trying to bash your product or whatever - I'm just giving perspective on what I have heard from others who have had it (both online and "real" friends)....also I spent (too much) time studying materials engineering back in school and strangely enough, one of the projects DID include a comparison of air filters' materials (granted they were the filter for a Chevy V-8, but same idea)....so no, I don't have PROOF, but do have some background....
08-31-2004, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by irish44j
Obviously its a generalization, based on things I've read here and other forums (not just Maxima, either). I will take back the "WILL" part and say "COULD"......I guess it's like how everyone says "5th gen MAFs always go bad".....even though most people have never had a problem. You have been lucky and have had no problems. My MAF hasn't blown, I've been lucky too.
In general terms, though, a foam filter is "more likely" to disintegrate at a slow rate and release particles than will a paper/composite filter.
Also, you are splitting definitions here. The FILTER is not the INTAKE. They are two seperate things. The Weapon R intake can be used with an Apexi, K&N, Stillen, whatever filter. BTW, after 4 years, you should be changing the filter anyhow....
Don't get all defensive, I'm not trying to bash your product or whatever - I'm just giving perspective on what I have heard from others who have had it (both online and "real" friends)....also I spent (too much) time studying materials engineering back in school and strangely enough, one of the projects DID include a comparison of air filters' materials (granted they were the filter for a Chevy V-8, but same idea)....so no, I don't have PROOF, but do have some background....
In general terms, though, a foam filter is "more likely" to disintegrate at a slow rate and release particles than will a paper/composite filter.
Also, you are splitting definitions here. The FILTER is not the INTAKE. They are two seperate things. The Weapon R intake can be used with an Apexi, K&N, Stillen, whatever filter. BTW, after 4 years, you should be changing the filter anyhow....
Don't get all defensive, I'm not trying to bash your product or whatever - I'm just giving perspective on what I have heard from others who have had it (both online and "real" friends)....also I spent (too much) time studying materials engineering back in school and strangely enough, one of the projects DID include a comparison of air filters' materials (granted they were the filter for a Chevy V-8, but same idea)....so no, I don't have PROOF, but do have some background....
08-31-2004, 07:53 PM
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it's all good - everyone always says I sound either mean or defensive...guess it's just the way I type (unfortunately can't type sarcasm!). As to this filter thing....just forwarding what I've read on here and on the honda/acura forums for several years...but then again, people only post on forums to b1tch...nobody ever posts a thread saying "My MAF has never blown" So who knows maybe only 10 in 1000 have had problems with the dragon filter.....just that we never hear from the other 990..
all in good argument though - not like either of us work for Weapon R, Apexi, etc....so doesn't affect us!
So who knows maybe only 10 in 1000 have had problems with the dragon filter.....just that we never hear from the other 990..all in good argument though - not like either of us work for Weapon R, Apexi, etc....so doesn't affect us!
08-31-2004, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by irish44j
it's all good - everyone always says I sound either mean or defensive...guess it's just the way I type (unfortunately can't type sarcasm!). As to this filter thing....just forwarding what I've read on here and on the honda/acura forums for several years...but then again, people only post on forums to b1tch...nobody ever posts a thread saying "My MAF has never blown" So who knows maybe only 10 in 1000 have had problems with the dragon filter.....just that we never hear from the other 990..
all in good argument though - not like either of us work for Weapon R, Apexi, etc....so doesn't affect us!
So who knows maybe only 10 in 1000 have had problems with the dragon filter.....just that we never hear from the other 990..all in good argument though - not like either of us work for Weapon R, Apexi, etc....so doesn't affect us!
09-01-2004, 06:13 AM
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I can't read 99% of that page, but I can read "poor" and "very poor" at the top of the pages with foam filters.
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/fil...t/1/index.html
click a filter to see the page where they rate how each did in a test of "what gets through the filter"
more info (very good thread, IMO)
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/sh...ghlight=filter
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/fil...t/1/index.html
click a filter to see the page where they rate how each did in a test of "what gets through the filter"
more info (very good thread, IMO)
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/sh...ghlight=filter
09-01-2004, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 2k2wannabe
click a filter to see the page where they rate how each did in a test of "what gets through the filter"
more info (very good thread, IMO)
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/sh...ghlight=filter
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