5spd vs Auto
05-11-2001, 10:41 PM
#1
Donating Maxima.org Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 925
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
05-12-2001, 04:26 AM
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 200
I'm too much of a lamer these days to really race. The first week that I had my Max I had a guy in front of me doing 40 mph in a 45 so I decided to go around him on a yellow dotted line. Within 5 minutes I had a State trooper riding my tail like there was no tomorrow, I never even saw where he came from. I really don't know how some of you Max guys can get away with the type of driving that you are always talking about. I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
05-12-2001, 04:28 AM
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 200
Originally posted by GXEme
I'm too much of a lamer these days to really race. The first week that I had my Max I had a guy in front of me doing 40 mph in a 45 so I decided to go around him on a yellow dotted line. Within 5 minutes I had a State trooper riding my tail like there was no tomorrow, I never even saw where he came from. I really don't know how some of you Max guys can get away with the type of driving that you are always talking about. I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
I'm too much of a lamer these days to really race. The first week that I had my Max I had a guy in front of me doing 40 mph in a 45 so I decided to go around him on a yellow dotted line. Within 5 minutes I had a State trooper riding my tail like there was no tomorrow, I never even saw where he came from. I really don't know how some of you Max guys can get away with the type of driving that you are always talking about. I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
05-12-2001, 05:38 PM
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 252
Just need to find the right places
I'd have to say that there are more advantages to driving a manual than a stick. A well driven 5-Speed Max would put down an auto any day. Plus, it's more fun driving a stick , except in DC rush hour 
.
, except in DC rush hour .
05-12-2001, 05:41 PM
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,335
Re: Just need to find the right places
Originally posted by Y2K1MaximaDevil
I'd have to say that there are more advantages to driving a manual than a stick.
I'd have to say that there are more advantages to driving a manual than a stick.
i'm just messing w/ you
05-12-2001, 08:02 PM
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 370
Originally posted by GXEme
I'm too much of a lamer these days to really race. The first week that I had my Max I had a guy in front of me doing 40 mph in a 45 so I decided to go around him on a yellow dotted line. Within 5 minutes I had a State trooper riding my tail like there was no tomorrow, I never even saw where he came from. I really don't know how some of you Max guys can get away with the type of driving that you are always talking about. I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
I'm too much of a lamer these days to really race. The first week that I had my Max I had a guy in front of me doing 40 mph in a 45 so I decided to go around him on a yellow dotted line. Within 5 minutes I had a State trooper riding my tail like there was no tomorrow, I never even saw where he came from. I really don't know how some of you Max guys can get away with the type of driving that you are always talking about. I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
05-19-2001, 11:26 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
I have a 00 se auto and have raced my bro (97 se manual) from 60 to 100 and it was dead even. I know the 97 weighs less (so does my bro) but there's no doubt the standard will eat the auto - down low. I think from 100 to 130, I think I would win - don't know where my limiter is exactly, but I noticed when winding out the motor, I was catching ever sooooo slowly.
05-20-2001, 12:15 AM
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 122
Sticks are traditionally faster from 0-75mph in almost any car, but after that an auto will run even if not better the rest of the way.
The only way to run with a stick consistently off the line is to get a shift kit and torque converter.
The only way to run with a stick consistently off the line is to get a shift kit and torque converter.
05-20-2001, 07:29 AM
#11
Supporting Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,038
Originally posted by RMcoolX
Sticks are traditionally faster from 0-75mph in almost any car, but after that an auto will run even if not better the rest of the way.
The only way to run with a stick consistently off the line is to get a shift kit and torque converter.
Sticks are traditionally faster from 0-75mph in almost any car, but after that an auto will run even if not better the rest of the way.
The only way to run with a stick consistently off the line is to get a shift kit and torque converter.
For example, if the 5spd starts at 80 in 5th and leaves it there, and the auto punches it in 4th - maybe even drops to 3rd (assume no od), the auto ought to win because it has a better gear ratio than the 5spd.
But lets change this - say the 5spd starts in 3rd at 80 (~5000rpms and high up on its hp curve), I'm pretty sure the auto gets walked. Even if the auto drops into 3rd, it won't have a favorable enough gear ratio to overcome the hp difference.
Last, lets assume a 100 mph roll - both will have to be in 4th. For the auto to win, it will have to have a good enough gearing advantage to make up for the 15 or so hp it gives away to the 5spd.
I don't know the gearing, but it is entirely possible. I'm sure someone on this board can look up the gear ratios and tell us how they compare.
Still, I wouldn't expect a stock auto to be beating a stock 5th gen absent driver error given the hp difference to the wheels.
05-20-2001, 10:56 AM
#13
Supporting Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,038
Originally posted by WILLSE
in a auto to manual race it is all about who gets the jump first!!! in the 5-speeds it all about where u launch them from
in a auto to manual race it is all about who gets the jump first!!! in the 5-speeds it all about where u launch them from
But, if you pull up next to me like you want to race, I am not going to sit there in 5th. I usually will see you coming and get into the right gear. I've had the "cheapo race" before. That's where another car pulls up next to you for an instant, immediately hits it and gets 1/2 a car jump, backs off when he knows you are reeling him in, and declares himself the winner because he is a bumper ahead. That cracks me up.
Would you declare yourself the winner if you got a jump on a car and that car immediately began reeling you in? I don't think so.
H
05-20-2001, 10:59 AM
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,279
Originally posted by Max_Gator
Well, getting the jump first doesn't have anything to do with which is faster from a roll. My point was absent driver error it is a matter of an auto overcoming the 5spd advantage in hp. Sure, driver error often results in an auto beating a faster 5spd.
But, if you pull up next to me like you want to race, I am not going to sit there in 5th. I usually will see you coming and get into the right gear. I've had the "cheapo race" before. That's where another car pulls up next to you for an instant, immediately hits it and gets 1/2 a car jump, backs off when he knows you are reeling him in, and declares himself the winner because he is a bumper ahead. That cracks me up.
Would you declare yourself the winner if you got a jump on a car and that car immediately began reeling you in? I don't think so.
H
Well, getting the jump first doesn't have anything to do with which is faster from a roll. My point was absent driver error it is a matter of an auto overcoming the 5spd advantage in hp. Sure, driver error often results in an auto beating a faster 5spd.
But, if you pull up next to me like you want to race, I am not going to sit there in 5th. I usually will see you coming and get into the right gear. I've had the "cheapo race" before. That's where another car pulls up next to you for an instant, immediately hits it and gets 1/2 a car jump, backs off when he knows you are reeling him in, and declares himself the winner because he is a bumper ahead. That cracks me up.
Would you declare yourself the winner if you got a jump on a car and that car immediately began reeling you in? I don't think so.
H
05-20-2001, 02:07 PM
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 112
no contest
I believe and I know dudes with AOD and 5-spd 5th gens that the automatic is no match for the 5-speed, barring any driving errors. Most magazines for automatic Maximas get 0-60mph in 7.6-8.1 seconds and quarter-miles of 15.8-16.1@86-89mph. For stick shifts, I've read 0-60mph of 6.7-7.0 seconds 15.1-15.5@91-94.4mph.
The trap-speed difference implies a huge pull on highway roll-ons and the faster 0-60mph implies an easy victory even with conservative launches on part of the manual-transmissioned Maxima.
However with optimal shiftpoints beyond the current rev-cut (for both manual and AOD), I think the automatic 5th gen will be a bit closer. The only way an automatic has a chance from 0 to 100+mph is to get a custom higher-stall torque convertor and add a cold-air intake.
The trap-speed difference implies a huge pull on highway roll-ons and the faster 0-60mph implies an easy victory even with conservative launches on part of the manual-transmissioned Maxima.
However with optimal shiftpoints beyond the current rev-cut (for both manual and AOD), I think the automatic 5th gen will be a bit closer. The only way an automatic has a chance from 0 to 100+mph is to get a custom higher-stall torque convertor and add a cold-air intake.
05-20-2001, 02:21 PM
#16
Supporting Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,038
Re: no contest
Originally posted by motectransam
However with optimal shiftpoints beyond the current rev-cut (for both manual and AOD), I think the automatic 5th gen will be a bit closer. .
However with optimal shiftpoints beyond the current rev-cut (for both manual and AOD), I think the automatic 5th gen will be a bit closer. .
05-20-2001, 02:48 PM
#17
Donating Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,604
daddy
Originally posted by 1BADMAX
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
oh NO daddy make it STOP
05-20-2001, 02:49 PM
#18
Donating Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,604
Originally posted by GXEme
I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
I can only assume that the cops in your areas have better things to do then to hunt down driving violators.
yeh that's mostly true here
Originally posted by GXEme
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
Now when I was a teenager, things were different, I had no fear of the law. I guess they finally ticketed me into submission.
05-20-2001, 03:13 PM
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 722
Originally posted by 1BADMAX
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
Dave
05-20-2001, 03:15 PM
#22
Supporting Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,038
Re: Re: Just need to find the right places2
Originally posted by MaineI30
Could you talk me through this one, very slowly?
Could you talk me through this one, very slowly?
a-u-t-o
i-s
s-l-o-w-e-r
a-n-d
l-e-s-s
f-u-n
t-o
d-r-i-v-e
slow enough?
(IMO of course)
05-20-2001, 03:23 PM
#23
Donating Maxima.org Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,604
Re: Re: Re: Just need to find the right places2
Originally posted by Max_Gator
t-h-e
a-u-t-o
i-s
s-l-o-w-e-r
a-n-d
l-e-s-s
f-u-n
t-o
d-r-i-v-e
slow enough?
(IMO of course)
t-h-e
a-u-t-o
i-s
s-l-o-w-e-r
a-n-d
l-e-s-s
f-u-n
t-o
d-r-i-v-e
slow enough?
(IMO of course)
Pretty slow, but apparently you didn't read what he posted slowly enough, coz that's not what he said.
05-20-2001, 06:23 PM
#25
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,279
Re: no contest
Originally posted by motectransam
I believe and I know dudes with AOD and 5-spd 5th gens that the automatic is no match for the 5-speed, barring any driving errors. Most magazines for automatic Maximas get 0-60mph in 7.6-8.1 seconds and quarter-miles of 15.8-16.1@86-89mph. For stick shifts, I've read 0-60mph of 6.7-7.0 seconds 15.1-15.5@91-94.4mph.
The trap-speed difference implies a huge pull on highway roll-ons and the faster 0-60mph implies an easy victory even with conservative launches on part of the manual-transmissioned Maxima.
However with optimal shiftpoints beyond the current rev-cut (for both manual and AOD), I think the automatic 5th gen will be a bit closer. The only way an automatic has a chance from 0 to 100+mph is to get a custom higher-stall torque convertor and add a cold-air intake.
I believe and I know dudes with AOD and 5-spd 5th gens that the automatic is no match for the 5-speed, barring any driving errors. Most magazines for automatic Maximas get 0-60mph in 7.6-8.1 seconds and quarter-miles of 15.8-16.1@86-89mph. For stick shifts, I've read 0-60mph of 6.7-7.0 seconds 15.1-15.5@91-94.4mph.
The trap-speed difference implies a huge pull on highway roll-ons and the faster 0-60mph implies an easy victory even with conservative launches on part of the manual-transmissioned Maxima.
However with optimal shiftpoints beyond the current rev-cut (for both manual and AOD), I think the automatic 5th gen will be a bit closer. The only way an automatic has a chance from 0 to 100+mph is to get a custom higher-stall torque convertor and add a cold-air intake.
05-20-2001, 07:13 PM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
The 5spd is 1 sec faster period than the auto. You will see its tailights badly.
Originally posted by 1BADMAX
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
I have a new Maxima SE w/auto and am wondering if an automatic SE versus a 5spd SE, who could win. I've noticed so far with mine that from 0 to 40mph i'm decently fast but after 40 you better whatch out cause the auto comes with a vengence. I've drove a 5spd before and they seem faster at first, like from maybe a dead start. But I feel if you have a rolling start you better have your game face on or the auto is gonna jump away. Either way I could personally care less cause i've owned 4 different standard vehicles and by far I like the auto better.
05-20-2001, 07:15 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Wrong.... A auto is weaker on the highway period and throughout the powerband. They have very tall gearing, the 5spd does not, and will keep the car in its power band. After 110-115 the auto won't accel very fast......compared to the 5spd.
Originally posted by RMcoolX
Sticks are traditionally faster from 0-75mph in almost any car, but after that an auto will run even if not better the rest of the way.
The only way to run with a stick consistently off the line is to get a shift kit and torque converter.
Sticks are traditionally faster from 0-75mph in almost any car, but after that an auto will run even if not better the rest of the way.
The only way to run with a stick consistently off the line is to get a shift kit and torque converter.
05-20-2001, 07:18 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
LOL, you newbies obviously need to read more about the difference between autos and 5spds. Autos will never touch a manual car stock for stock same everything. Just will never ever happen.
Originally posted by WILLSE
i was talkin about from a stop..... and if i drop it down to second it will be close and i know that u will win i was sayin from a stop not a roll from a roll any decent 5-speed driver will win
i was talkin about from a stop..... and if i drop it down to second it will be close and i know that u will win i was sayin from a stop not a roll from a roll any decent 5-speed driver will win
05-20-2001, 07:27 PM
#29
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,335
i'm going to have to get back in this
you can make an auto faster than a 5spd, but if you do the same mods to both, the 5spd will come out on top
my last trip to the track, i went with icey2k1...he just has an intake but has a 5spd...my 1st run i had a 15.5 with a crappy launch...my next 4 runs my tires kept spinning...then on my 6th and final run i had a perfect launch and ran another 15.5...my engine was very hot (i felt my engine right before i closed my hood and burned my hand)...icey2k1 ran 3 times i think (maybe 4) and had a best of a 15.5...with my exhaust and y pipe, i feel that i can pull from a stock 5spd (except for the launch...but i feel that i can catch up)...i know in stock form, every time i went over 100 the needle went really really slow...if a 5spd is driven well, a stock auto max cannot take it...end of story...5spd's rule the day and everytime i climb into a porsche or ferrari at work, i yearn for a 5spd (or 6spd...)
russ, i don't know where you get 1 full second from...best mag time 0-60 for a stick is 6.7 and best 1/4 is 15.1...best mag time for auto 0-60 is 7.2 and 1/4 mile is 15.6
i will go to the track again in a couple of weeks and bring ice for my engine
too bad i will sell my car before winter comes around where i will actually be able to get good times...o well, maybe my next trip to the track i'll take out a lot of weight (door pannels, seats, etc.)
and losing by 1 car length in the 1/4 mile is a lot (about .8 seconds)...last time i went to the track, i brought my friend in his typhoon (or syclone...i always forget the difference...he has the blazer (SUV) version)...so i raced him a few times...the first time i didn't let him build up his boost and he ran a 14.8 while i ran a 15.6 (my 2nd race of the night)...he was only ahead by a tiny bit...my front bumper was even with his back bumper...our reaction times were almost identical...then i raced him a couple more times and let him build up his boost...his best time of the night was a 14.3...it was over 70 degrees outside and 6 runs really heated up my engine...o well...maybe gordon (maxae...i think that was your name, right?) will come with us and he has a 5spd ae max...we can get another 5spd into the mix
you can make an auto faster than a 5spd, but if you do the same mods to both, the 5spd will come out on top
my last trip to the track, i went with icey2k1...he just has an intake but has a 5spd...my 1st run i had a 15.5 with a crappy launch...my next 4 runs my tires kept spinning...then on my 6th and final run i had a perfect launch and ran another 15.5...my engine was very hot (i felt my engine right before i closed my hood and burned my hand)...icey2k1 ran 3 times i think (maybe 4) and had a best of a 15.5...with my exhaust and y pipe, i feel that i can pull from a stock 5spd (except for the launch...but i feel that i can catch up)...i know in stock form, every time i went over 100 the needle went really really slow...if a 5spd is driven well, a stock auto max cannot take it...end of story...5spd's rule the day and everytime i climb into a porsche or ferrari at work, i yearn for a 5spd (or 6spd...)
russ, i don't know where you get 1 full second from...best mag time 0-60 for a stick is 6.7 and best 1/4 is 15.1...best mag time for auto 0-60 is 7.2 and 1/4 mile is 15.6
i will go to the track again in a couple of weeks and bring ice for my engine
too bad i will sell my car before winter comes around where i will actually be able to get good times...o well, maybe my next trip to the track i'll take out a lot of weight (door pannels, seats, etc.)
and losing by 1 car length in the 1/4 mile is a lot (about .8 seconds)...last time i went to the track, i brought my friend in his typhoon (or syclone...i always forget the difference...he has the blazer (SUV) version)...so i raced him a few times...the first time i didn't let him build up his boost and he ran a 14.8 while i ran a 15.6 (my 2nd race of the night)...he was only ahead by a tiny bit...my front bumper was even with his back bumper...our reaction times were almost identical...then i raced him a couple more times and let him build up his boost...his best time of the night was a 14.3...it was over 70 degrees outside and 6 runs really heated up my engine...o well...maybe gordon (maxae...i think that was your name, right?) will come with us and he has a 5spd ae max...we can get another 5spd into the mix
05-20-2001, 07:30 PM
#30
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,335
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
LOL, you newbies obviously need to read more about the difference between autos and 5spds. Autos will never touch a manual car stock for stock same everything. Just will never ever happen.
LOL, you newbies obviously need to read more about the difference between autos and 5spds. Autos will never touch a manual car stock for stock same everything. Just will never ever happen.
and as i was saying, in the winter months, since i was dead even with a 5spd in the summer, i hope to run very low 15s but i probably won't have my car then and i'll have to work on high 13s with the bimmer (14.4 sec stock)
05-20-2001, 07:38 PM
#31
Guest
Posts: n/a
The auto maxima best tiem in the magazine I ever saw was a 15.9. I ran a 16.2 with heavy momo arrows at the track, when I put hte CAI on, I ran a 15.8...
Originally posted by MrBurner
i'm going to have to get back in this
you can make an auto faster than a 5spd, but if you do the same mods to both, the 5spd will come out on top
my last trip to the track, i went with icey2k1...he just has an intake but has a 5spd...my 1st run i had a 15.5 with a crappy launch...my next 4 runs my tires kept spinning...then on my 6th and final run i had a perfect launch and ran another 15.5...my engine was very hot (i felt my engine right before i closed my hood and burned my hand)...icey2k1 ran 3 times i think (maybe 4) and had a best of a 15.5...with my exhaust and y pipe, i feel that i can pull from a stock 5spd (except for the launch...but i feel that i can catch up)...i know in stock form, every time i went over 100 the needle went really really slow...if a 5spd is driven well, a stock auto max cannot take it...end of story...5spd's rule the day and everytime i climb into a porsche or ferrari at work, i yearn for a 5spd (or 6spd...)
russ, i don't know where you get 1 full second from...best mag time 0-60 for a stick is 6.7 and best 1/4 is 15.1...best mag time for auto 0-60 is 7.2 and 1/4 mile is 15.6
i will go to the track again in a couple of weeks and bring ice for my engine
too bad i will sell my car before winter comes around where i will actually be able to get good times...o well, maybe my next trip to the track i'll take out a lot of weight (door pannels, seats, etc.)
and losing by 1 car length in the 1/4 mile is a lot (about .8 seconds)...last time i went to the track, i brought my friend in his typhoon (or syclone...i always forget the difference...he has the blazer (SUV) version)...so i raced him a few times...the first time i didn't let him build up his boost and he ran a 14.8 while i ran a 15.6 (my 2nd race of the night)...he was only ahead by a tiny bit...my front bumper was even with his back bumper...our reaction times were almost identical...then i raced him a couple more times and let him build up his boost...his best time of the night was a 14.3...it was over 70 degrees outside and 6 runs really heated up my engine...o well...maybe gordon (maxae...i think that was your name, right?) will come with us and he has a 5spd ae max...we can get another 5spd into the mix
i'm going to have to get back in this
you can make an auto faster than a 5spd, but if you do the same mods to both, the 5spd will come out on top
my last trip to the track, i went with icey2k1...he just has an intake but has a 5spd...my 1st run i had a 15.5 with a crappy launch...my next 4 runs my tires kept spinning...then on my 6th and final run i had a perfect launch and ran another 15.5...my engine was very hot (i felt my engine right before i closed my hood and burned my hand)...icey2k1 ran 3 times i think (maybe 4) and had a best of a 15.5...with my exhaust and y pipe, i feel that i can pull from a stock 5spd (except for the launch...but i feel that i can catch up)...i know in stock form, every time i went over 100 the needle went really really slow...if a 5spd is driven well, a stock auto max cannot take it...end of story...5spd's rule the day and everytime i climb into a porsche or ferrari at work, i yearn for a 5spd (or 6spd...)
russ, i don't know where you get 1 full second from...best mag time 0-60 for a stick is 6.7 and best 1/4 is 15.1...best mag time for auto 0-60 is 7.2 and 1/4 mile is 15.6
i will go to the track again in a couple of weeks and bring ice for my engine
too bad i will sell my car before winter comes around where i will actually be able to get good times...o well, maybe my next trip to the track i'll take out a lot of weight (door pannels, seats, etc.)
and losing by 1 car length in the 1/4 mile is a lot (about .8 seconds)...last time i went to the track, i brought my friend in his typhoon (or syclone...i always forget the difference...he has the blazer (SUV) version)...so i raced him a few times...the first time i didn't let him build up his boost and he ran a 14.8 while i ran a 15.6 (my 2nd race of the night)...he was only ahead by a tiny bit...my front bumper was even with his back bumper...our reaction times were almost identical...then i raced him a couple more times and let him build up his boost...his best time of the night was a 14.3...it was over 70 degrees outside and 6 runs really heated up my engine...o well...maybe gordon (maxae...i think that was your name, right?) will come with us and he has a 5spd ae max...we can get another 5spd into the mix
05-20-2001, 08:38 PM
#33
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,279
Originally posted by MrBurner
russ, i completely agree...stock for stock, there is no contest (unless the 5spd driver misses a shift)...i'm saying an auto has to have at least a few mods to be able to keep up w/ a 5spd driver
and as i was saying, in the winter months, since i was dead even with a 5spd in the summer, i hope to run very low 15s but i probably won't have my car then and i'll have to work on high 13s with the bimmer (14.4 sec stock)
russ, i completely agree...stock for stock, there is no contest (unless the 5spd driver misses a shift)...i'm saying an auto has to have at least a few mods to be able to keep up w/ a 5spd driver
and as i was saying, in the winter months, since i was dead even with a 5spd in the summer, i hope to run very low 15s but i probably won't have my car then and i'll have to work on high 13s with the bimmer (14.4 sec stock)
05-21-2001, 05:04 AM
#35
Originally posted by Menacer
Why is it that an auto losses hp to the wheels versus a stick? Is it because of the gearing? Just trying to gain a some knowledge.
Why is it that an auto losses hp to the wheels versus a stick? Is it because of the gearing? Just trying to gain a some knowledge.
05-21-2001, 05:48 AM
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Originally posted by MrBurner
hmm...i ran a 15.6 bone stock w/ heavy a$$ stock 17" rims...when i take them off to put on my rsb, i will weigh them...with tires i think they weigh upwards of 30-40 lbs. each
hmm...i ran a 15.6 bone stock w/ heavy a$$ stock 17" rims...when i take them off to put on my rsb, i will weigh them...with tires i think they weigh upwards of 30-40 lbs. each
Your wheels don't weigh near what my momo's did
05-21-2001, 07:38 AM
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,335
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Your wheels don't weigh near what my momo's did
Your wheels don't weigh near what my momo's did
05-21-2001, 08:03 AM
#38
Newbie - Just Registered
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 6
5spd vs Auto
In this car the 5spd is quicker overall. I had a 1999 SE with a stick but chose an auto this time around mainly because I know I will likely want to sell it within 2 years and I believe it will be much easier to sell, plus I expect to get a higher price. No matter which transmission I chose, I knew that there would be times that I wish I had the other. So if you want the advantages of an auto plus the acceleration advantages of the manual, just make up the difference with some upgrades. From driving both, I believe the biggest difference between the two is simply the acceleration from a dead stop to the shift to 2nd gear.
05-21-2001, 08:45 AM
#39
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,983
Re: 5spd vs Auto
me living in NYC.. i made my decision pretty quickly and easily... i took the auto cause its just too much to sit in traffic here with a stick... but i definatly wouldnt mind having a second car in stick to take out on the weekends and to other places when i kno its no traffic...
i heard my dad saying something about a M-Roadster... hehehe
i wish...
i heard my dad saying something about a M-Roadster... hehehe
i wish...
05-21-2001, 09:08 AM
#40
Does driving a stick in traffic really bother you guys? I've been in hours of bumper to bumper traffic and I don't really even notice the difference. If anything, it keeps you slightly more awake when you're sitting there.