ya i think im gonna stick with a short ram like the franken, i would rather get rid of the WHOLE stock system if possible ya know. THanks for your help though. In your setup though, wouldnt the temp sensor read differently than whats actually goin in? Or is it just the fact that its ABOUT the same temp at that distance on the battery? do you like, only need to have it in the pipe if its like cold air because of its difference in temp? If anyone understands what im getting at ha sry