Acura Tl
05-31-2001, 09:33 PM
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I was reading some old posts and i realized that most of the people on this board hate the ACURA TL.I own a TL and my bro owns MAXIMA.We love each others cars.We often switch cars for the weekend and we really enjoy both cars.I personally prefer my ACURA because i get more luxury than my bro's MAXIMA + the same amount of sportiness(except for the manual tranny).Also i admit that the TL's styling is a bit more conservative than the MAXIMA but i think all together the acura is a better looking car.Now some of you are going to say ahhhh that tl is for old people and stuff.But u are all wrong.IF some of would prefer a little more sprotiness in the TL well than just get the TYPE S.I'm positive that if u MAXIMA owners would test drive that car you would want to change your MAXIMA's for a TYPE S without any doubt.
The TL's engine is one hell of an engine.I think that the maxima's and the TL's engines are the best V6 available on the market.I love the VTEC on my engine.IT pulls pulls and pulls.
The TL's engine is one hell of an engine.I think that the maxima's and the TL's engines are the best V6 available on the market.I love the VTEC on my engine.IT pulls pulls and pulls.
05-31-2001, 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by 99 BLACK TL
I was reading some old posts and i realized that most of the people on this board hate the ACURA TL.I own a TL and my bro owns MAXIMA.We love each others cars.We often switch cars for the weekend and we really enjoy both cars.I personally prefer my ACURA because i get more luxury than my bro's MAXIMA + the same amount of sportiness(except for the manual tranny).Also i admit that the TL's styling is a bit more conservative than the MAXIMA but i think all together the acura is a better looking car.Now some of you are going to say ahhhh that tl is for old people and stuff.But u are all wrong.IF some of would prefer a little more sprotiness in the TL well than just get the TYPE S.I'm positive that if u MAXIMA owners would test drive that car you would want to change your MAXIMA's for a TYPE S without any doubt.
The TL's engine is one hell of an engine.I think that the maxima's and the TL's engines are the best V6 available on the market.I love the VTEC on my engine.IT pulls pulls and pulls.
I was reading some old posts and i realized that most of the people on this board hate the ACURA TL.I own a TL and my bro owns MAXIMA.We love each others cars.We often switch cars for the weekend and we really enjoy both cars.I personally prefer my ACURA because i get more luxury than my bro's MAXIMA + the same amount of sportiness(except for the manual tranny).Also i admit that the TL's styling is a bit more conservative than the MAXIMA but i think all together the acura is a better looking car.Now some of you are going to say ahhhh that tl is for old people and stuff.But u are all wrong.IF some of would prefer a little more sprotiness in the TL well than just get the TYPE S.I'm positive that if u MAXIMA owners would test drive that car you would want to change your MAXIMA's for a TYPE S without any doubt.
The TL's engine is one hell of an engine.I think that the maxima's and the TL's engines are the best V6 available on the market.I love the VTEC on my engine.IT pulls pulls and pulls.
05-31-2001, 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by 99 BLACK TL
Now some of you are going to say ahhhh that tl is for old people and stuff.But u are all wrong...I'm positive that if u MAXIMA owners would test drive that car you would want to change your MAXIMA's for a TYPE S without any doubt.
Now some of you are going to say ahhhh that tl is for old people and stuff.But u are all wrong...I'm positive that if u MAXIMA owners would test drive that car you would want to change your MAXIMA's for a TYPE S without any doubt.
I love my Accord V6, you love your TL, and all of these guys here love their Maxima's.
05-31-2001, 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by stevepake
Well that's just your opinion and your perspective, and everybody is going to have a different one. I like the TL, too, and considered buying one but I didn't.
I love my Accord V6, you love your TL, and all of these guys here love their Maxima's.
Well that's just your opinion and your perspective, and everybody is going to have a different one. I like the TL, too, and considered buying one but I didn't.
I love my Accord V6, you love your TL, and all of these guys here love their Maxima's.
05-31-2001, 11:45 PM
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These are both nice cars....
I test drove both before picking up my Max AE SE. These are both nice cars, but in MY opinion, the Max has better styling, and I do not like the fake wood trim in the TL. But the point is... this is my opinion... some will agree, other will disagree.
Agreed littledog... we just got tired of the Type-S guys thinking they got the fastest car on the road now. Just because some Max guys said they beat some Type-S guys. Hey, you win some, you lose some, right?
Agreed littledog... we just got tired of the Type-S guys thinking they got the fastest car on the road now. Just because some Max guys said they beat some Type-S guys. Hey, you win some, you lose some, right?
05-31-2001, 11:49 PM
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TL is a nice car...
But there are reasons why we get Maximas. I have a 4th gen and when I got it, the TL and CL had a much inferior engine than the Max. Now you look at a 5th gen Max vs a current TLS. Most of the time the TLS will win but the Max will outhandle it stock. Also, go to the CLS/TLS forums. Tranny this tranny that... The truth is, you abuse any automatic tranny, it'll go bad on you. But the Max has always had a 5 speed and THAT SINGLE REASON makes the Max more sporty in the eyes of many enthusiasts. You can abuse a 5 speed much more than an auto tranny car without having to worry about your tranny dying on you.
Yes I know that the CLS will get a six speed manual in August but the Max has one NOW. The Max will also get the 260 horsies and still be lighter than a CLS/TLS by several hundred pounds (current Max is about 3300 Fully loaded vs 3500 for CLS). Coupled with the six speed, the Max will probably be the faster car. I like the Acura's engine, but sorry, the VQ is BETTER. Rode in both and the VQ is smoooooth. Anyhow, I'm happy that you like the TL, but for us, the Max is here to stay
Yes I know that the CLS will get a six speed manual in August but the Max has one NOW. The Max will also get the 260 horsies and still be lighter than a CLS/TLS by several hundred pounds (current Max is about 3300 Fully loaded vs 3500 for CLS). Coupled with the six speed, the Max will probably be the faster car. I like the Acura's engine, but sorry, the VQ is BETTER. Rode in both and the VQ is smoooooth. Anyhow, I'm happy that you like the TL, but for us, the Max is here to stay
06-01-2001, 07:32 AM
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Re: Both cars are nice
i was originally planning on getting a TL (early this year), but, when I found out the new TL Type-S was coming out, I died.
I wanted to the get "TL-S", but the wait was too long, so I got the next best thing, Maxima AE... but like, their was a 2 week wait on that too... so I got a GLE (damned woodtrim got me)
I've always talked about the Maxima with my freinds as a 'kid', and its kinda funny that I drive one now.
I wanted to the get "TL-S", but the wait was too long, so I got the next best thing, Maxima AE... but like, their was a 2 week wait on that too... so I got a GLE (damned woodtrim got me)
I've always talked about the Maxima with my freinds as a 'kid', and its kinda funny that I drive one now.
06-01-2001, 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by littledog
I think the people on the board are not against the TL/CL, they just hate the people who own a TL/Cl -S that talks crap and trashes other's cars. By the way, I think a TL is a nice car too.
I think the people on the board are not against the TL/CL, they just hate the people who own a TL/Cl -S that talks crap and trashes other's cars. By the way, I think a TL is a nice car too.
and 99 black tl - yeah what is your point? I love my car - you love yours! End of story!
06-01-2001, 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
Maybe someone should go to the TL board and count the # of bashings against the maxima vs bashings against the TL here.
You still think everyone hates the TL here?
Maybe someone should go to the TL board and count the # of bashings against the maxima vs bashings against the TL here.
You still think everyone hates the TL here?
Well, I have direct experience actually driving both a 99TL and my 94 and 99 Max.
The obvious:
- VQ, overall, is smoother, TL auto makes the Max auto seem buttery-smooth; but TL is better on high end (VTEC, etc.)
- TL is built better (and it's not exactly a JD Power & Associates winner; but at least things feel like they're supposed to fit, unlike 4th gen Maximas)
- TL has better brakes (when OEM sized)
- Max has LOADS of personality compared to a TL
- Max.org has members who actually work on their cars, while acura-tl.com has members who seem REALLY scared to touch their cars. It's quite interesting to see some of their posts.....
But honestly, the cars aren't really comparable, except that Nissan (stupidly) overprices the Maxima and then offers $6k rebates, while the TL offers some luxury for a bargain price that they don't stand around apologizing for their prices.
99Max vs. 99TL slushboxes? TL hands-down. As for 5th gen comparo, I would say the gap has closed (speculation only).
06-01-2001, 10:55 AM
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.....and now a word from a 3rd Gen Owner
At one time, I considered the TL as well. The price fully loaded could not be beat. The sole option on that car was the navigation system for $2000. But when I sat in one, I was gravely disappointed with the legroom. For someone of my stature, there was not enough seat travel for me to feel comfortable. Also, the headroom was not too great, either. Maxes (Even the 5th Gen AE I test drove) have enough room to comfortably seat me and give me the level of performance I am looking for.
Would I buy a TL-S? No. For the asking price, I would do better with an older 540i. Would I buy a 2002 Maxima or I35? Yep. Would I bash either car? No.
You ask why I have a 3rd Gen as opposed to a 5th. Let's just say that for the amount of driving that I do, the price was right.
Would I buy a TL-S? No. For the asking price, I would do better with an older 540i. Would I buy a 2002 Maxima or I35? Yep. Would I bash either car? No.
You ask why I have a 3rd Gen as opposed to a 5th. Let's just say that for the amount of driving that I do, the price was right.
06-01-2001, 10:57 AM
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Re: .....and now a word from a 3rd Gen Owner
Also the 3-gen build quality is almost unbeatable among the different gen maximas! Good choice!
Originally posted by PrinzII
At one time, I considered the TL as well. The price fully loaded could not be beat. The sole option on that car was the navigation system for $2000. But when I sat in one, I was gravely disappointed with the legroom. For someone of my stature, there was not enough seat travel for me to feel comfortable. Also, the headroom was not too great, either. Maxes (Even the 5th Gen AE I test drove) have enough room to comfortably seat me and give me the level of performance I am looking for.
Would I buy a TL-S? No. For the asking price, I would do better with an older 540i. Would I buy a 2002 Maxima or I35? Yep. Would I bash either car? No.
You ask why I have a 3rd Gen as opposed to a 5th. Let's just say that for the amount of driving that I do, the price was right.
At one time, I considered the TL as well. The price fully loaded could not be beat. The sole option on that car was the navigation system for $2000. But when I sat in one, I was gravely disappointed with the legroom. For someone of my stature, there was not enough seat travel for me to feel comfortable. Also, the headroom was not too great, either. Maxes (Even the 5th Gen AE I test drove) have enough room to comfortably seat me and give me the level of performance I am looking for.
Would I buy a TL-S? No. For the asking price, I would do better with an older 540i. Would I buy a 2002 Maxima or I35? Yep. Would I bash either car? No.
You ask why I have a 3rd Gen as opposed to a 5th. Let's just say that for the amount of driving that I do, the price was right.
06-01-2001, 11:13 AM
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Re: Re: .....and now a word from a 3rd Gen Owner
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Also the 3-gen build quality is almost unbeatable among the different gen maximas!
Also the 3-gen build quality is almost unbeatable among the different gen maximas!
If I had said that, Kev would have to move this topic because of the barage of flames.......but since Jeff said it, it isn't considered to come from someone evil. I guess it's OK for him to make the claim.
06-01-2001, 11:52 AM
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Re: Re: Re: .....and now a word from a 3rd Gen Owner
Originally posted by bill99gxe
If I had said that, Kev would have to move this topic because of the barage of flames.......but since Jeff said it, it isn't considered to come from someone evil. I guess it's OK for him to make the claim.
If I had said that, Kev would have to move this topic because of the barage of flames.......but since Jeff said it, it isn't considered to come from someone evil. I guess it's OK for him to make the claim.
06-01-2001, 12:13 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: .....and now a word from a 3rd Gen Owner
Originally posted by Jeff92se
You know Bill! Chipping paint, slushy autos, herky jerky throttles etc... : )
You know Bill! Chipping paint, slushy autos, herky jerky throttles etc... : )
"Sir, would you like your gas nozzle to be properly protected from the elements, or is it OK if we just leave it off?"
Jeff,
I've already seen 2 of those in my 99 Max.......I pray my slushbox won't start slipping. Of course, if I add that Tornado intake, then I may have to get the VB mod so I won't stress the tranny....
06-01-2001, 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Ooooo... bad 3rd gen owners in here!
Go away!
5th gen owners~~>
<~~3rd gen owners
Ooooo... bad 3rd gen owners in here!
Go away!
5th gen owners~~>
<~~3rd gen owners
If I keep this up, Kev's gonna show me what it feels like to be "moderated" upon.
06-01-2001, 12:19 PM
#28
Originally posted by bill99gxe
hehe......the 5th gen guys FEAR the 3rd gen guys......
If I keep this up, Kev's gonna show me what it feels like to be "moderated" upon.
hehe......the 5th gen guys FEAR the 3rd gen guys......
If I keep this up, Kev's gonna show me what it feels like to be "moderated" upon.
We wouldn't want to waste our gas even for an easy roadkill like this. 
06-01-2001, 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE
They're speechless cuz they know it's true.
They're speechless cuz they know it's true.
Nah, speechless because you actually believe that rhetoric.....
Let's see....I can still add a good 80 ponies on my 94 slushbox before I have to worry about my automagic (and I can also actually UPGRADE my ECU)......meanwhile you 5th geners can't put more than a K&N panel filter without the tranny hiccupping......
Better yet, you have to get it fixed AT A NISSAN DEALER.
Furthermore, I bet Jeff92se can beat you right now....ticking and all.....
How's that for fightin' words?
06-01-2001, 01:49 PM
#32
I wouldn't lose! I'd get bombarded by flying paint chips! I also got the upgraded suspension in order to avoid that auto tranny that just fell out! 
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
We fear jOO?!?!?! We wouldn't want to waste our gas even for an easy roadkill like this.
We fear jOO?!?!?!
We wouldn't want to waste our gas even for an easy roadkill like this.
06-01-2001, 01:53 PM
#33
Originally posted by Jeff92se
I wouldn't lose! I'd get bombarded by flying paint chips! I also got the upgraded suspension in order to avoid that auto tranny that just fell out!
I wouldn't lose! I'd get bombarded by flying paint chips! I also got the upgraded suspension in order to avoid that auto tranny that just fell out!
06-01-2001, 02:05 PM
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Re: .
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
So do we!
You need custom work... we need custom work. Same deal.
So do we!
You need custom work... we need custom work. Same deal.
Equations:
Drop an S/C in 5th gen slushbox = Tranny on ground
Drop an S/C in 5th gen 5-speed = Fast, when tranny doesn't decide to cut off fuel
Naturally, it's a good thing Jeff has Eibachs/Toks and a RSB to avoid that hunk of metal on the ground.
Actually, the 94 is bone stock, and I can only think of 50 or 60 easy ponies I could bolt on......
06-01-2001, 02:06 PM
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Re: .
What turbo option?!?! You mean add a turbo and have it blow up turbo option??
At least the 3-gen turbo options actually work!
At least the 3-gen turbo options actually work!
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
So do we!
You need custom work... we need custom work. Same deal.
So do we!
You need custom work... we need custom work. Same deal.
06-01-2001, 02:09 PM
#38
So you admit your paint sucks?
"I said I wouldn't lose"
5-gen owners don't have to go to reading class I guess.
"I said I wouldn't lose"
5-gen owners don't have to go to reading class I guess.
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
How would you get bombarded by flying paint chips if we're not in front of you?
How would you get bombarded by flying paint chips if we're not in front of you?
06-01-2001, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe
Equations:
Drop an S/C in 5th gen slushbox = Tranny on ground
Drop an S/C in 5th gen 5-speed = Fast, when tranny doesn't decide to cut off fuel
Naturally, it's a good thing Jeff has Eibachs/Toks and a RSB to avoid that hunk of metal on the ground.
Actually, the 94 is bone stock, and I can only think of 50 or 60 easy ponies I could bolt on......
Equations:
Drop an S/C in 5th gen slushbox = Tranny on ground
Drop an S/C in 5th gen 5-speed = Fast, when tranny doesn't decide to cut off fuel
Naturally, it's a good thing Jeff has Eibachs/Toks and a RSB to avoid that hunk of metal on the ground.
Actually, the 94 is bone stock, and I can only think of 50 or 60 easy ponies I could bolt on......
What kind of bolt-ons will give you 50-60 ponies?
