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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 11:59 PM
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Bedding in new brakes?

Currently my car has Axxis ULT + Brembo Blanks in the front...stock pads & rotors for the rears...the squeal of the Axxis ULT is driving me nuts so I'm thinking of swapping them with some Hawk HPS pads....while I'm at it, I'm going to purchase new rotors & Hawk HPS pads for the rear...here are two questions though

1. Do I have to get my front brembo rotors resurfaced when I swap my Axxis ULT for Hawk HPS? The rotors only have bout 2k miles on them...

2. When I bed in the new HAWK pads, is it bad to use the ebrake afterwards? In other words, is it bad to use the ebrake after you have parked with your brakes warmed up?

thanks in advanced! oh yeah does anyone know where to purchase Hawk HPS pads for cheap?
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 12:38 AM
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This is the same setup I'm going for on my fronts. I'd think you should be fine with replacing the pads without a resurface. Especially if it's only been 2k miles.

From what I've seen, Tirerack is a decent place to pick up the HPS pads. I haven't ordered mine yet however.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 03:20 AM
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there is no need to resurface the rotors...as for buying the HPS Google it there are better places than Tirerack.......I have Powerslot in the front with HPS....oem in the rear...
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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2. When I bed in the new HAWK pads, is it bad to use the ebrake afterwards? In other words, is it bad to use the ebrake after you have parked with your brakes warmed up?
IMO, it wouldn't hurt to be cautious, though I doubt you'd overheat the pads/rotors that much during bedding (Does Hawk make rear pads??? OTOH, never overestimate the quality of the Nissan OEM rear pads). Just as a precaution and since I have a manual, I always release the brake pedal as soon as I can following hard stops, just to avoid or at least minimize any glazing (hell, I don't use the parking brake on wet days to avoid them cheapo rear pads sticking to the rotors).
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 09:27 AM
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thanks in advanced! oh yeah does anyone know where to purchase Hawk HPS pads for cheap?
I think Corey (Redmax) can get em for decent prices, try giving him a call.

www.redlinemax.com
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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sort of off topic, do the hawk pads from tirerack come with shims ?
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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Thanks for all the replies! I'm just gonna reuse my front brembo rotors without resurfacing then....since all ya'll said its okay to go without them...what is the point of resurfacing anyway? I always thought it was a PITA to remove your rotors....then have a friend take u to the machine shop...then wait...then go back and put them on...

and i'll try giving Corey a call
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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Given that the OEM sized rotors and pad are a joke for the Maxima and have "warping issues", I would definitely resurface the rotors. It may have only been 2K, but rotor warp is the buildup of pad material on the surface of the rotor. Even though YOU can’t feel it now, you cant be sure its not there either.

You are in there, and given its not expensive to do (Pep Boys, 8 buxs a rotor) its a piece of mind that it will mate and bed together correctly.

Also, given the procedure to bed brakes, you will not want to use the ebrake right after the bedding process. But also, you are supposed to drive around long enough to allow the heat to dissipate.

Make sure to get the correct shim kit for the pads/calipers and use anti-squeel grease liberally.

As for those NOT recommending resurfacing, Id like to know the basis for not doing that.

EDIT: The point of "resurfacing" a rotor is to remove grooves, pits, buildup and other imperfections to make a uniform surface to correctly bed the pads that you will be installing. Rotors are cake to remove on the Maxima, two 19MM bolts removes the whole caliper bracket and wah-lah, rotor off.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:40 AM
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I have seen some of the Bendix pads come with anti-squeel backing come with them, but not all. I have not seen shims come with Hawk pads, but it has been a while since pad replacement for me.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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Colonel - I know removing rotors from a max is a breeze...but the whole "process" of getting the rotors resurfaced is a PITA....like finding a ride, waiting for them to get resurfaced, etc etc....thats why I was askin is it REALLY a necessity
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by steven88
Colonel - I know removing rotors from a max is a breeze...but the whole "process" of getting the rotors resurfaced is a PITA....like finding a ride, waiting for them to get resurfaced, etc etc....thats why I was askin is it REALLY a necessity
You are risking getting "warped" rotors much sooner. To me, since I was in there already I would do it because of convience sake, plus the physical reasons listed above.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by steven88
Colonel - I know removing rotors from a max is a breeze...but the whole "process" of getting the rotors resurfaced is a PITA....like finding a ride, waiting for them to get resurfaced, etc etc....thats why I was askin is it REALLY a necessity
If switching pads on a used rotor, it is recommended to scrub the rotor clean and use brake cleaner. <- as told to me by Tirerack
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by n3985
If switching pads on a used rotor, it is recommended to scrub the rotor clean and use brake cleaner. <- as told to me by Tirerack
that doesn't sound so bad....what did they tell u to use when u scrub the rotor?
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 01:27 PM
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that doesn't sound so bad....what did they tell u to use when u scrub the rotor?
It was either sand paper, or steel wool? I don't remember exactly, send them an e-mail.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by n3985
It was either sand paper, or steel wool? I don't remember exactly, send them an e-mail.
hmm...I'll just give it a shot with my steel brush
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CCS2k1Max
(Does Hawk make rear pads??? OTOH, never overestimate the quality of the Nissan OEM rear pads).
Yup, I bought front and rear Hawk HPSs. Just haven't put them on yet.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Yup, I bought front and rear Hawk HPSs. Just haven't put them on yet.

did it come with shims ?
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
did it come with shims ?
what happened to your stock ones?
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by steven88
what happened to your stock ones?

they kinda beaten up , rusted a little bent out of shape, I figure I should get the shims while I am at it this time.
Old Dec 7, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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they kinda beaten up , rusted a little bent out of shape, I figure I should get the shims while I am at it this time.
you can always call daveB and get some OEM shims...they should be like $20 shipped...i'm not sure if Hawks come with built in shims
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:17 AM
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sorry to bring back this thread...but I wanted to hear any other opinions on, If I should get my rotors resurfaced for new pads? only 2k miles on the brembo blanks...I got one response from Colonel saying I should get them resurfaced...any other people who agree with Colonel and care to input? Thanks!
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 01:26 AM
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hey steven right now i have front hawks brake pads that i want to sell because i am going to upgrade my front brakes to 2k4/2k5 brakes and i bought these pads thinking that i wasnt going to upgrade so fast so i was seeing if you wanted to take these off my hands. im not too sure about it but i dont think you would need to turn your rotors as long as you dont feel no grooves on the rotors i think they should be fine but thats only what i think
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Law
hey steven right now i have front hawks brake pads that i want to sell because i am going to upgrade my front brakes to 2k4/2k5 brakes and i bought these pads thinking that i wasnt going to upgrade so fast so i was seeing if you wanted to take these off my hands. im not too sure about it but i dont think you would need to turn your rotors as long as you dont feel no grooves on the rotors i think they should be fine but thats only what i think
Hey..are they Hawk HPS? If so I might be interested if the price is right...they are brand new correct? Holla at me with a price
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 01:50 AM
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yea they are hawk hps and also they are brand spanking new. if you like i can take a pic of it and post it on here. also give me your zip cause i need to find out the shipping price
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 05:19 AM
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yea they are hawk hps and also they are brand spanking new. if you like i can take a pic of it and post it on here. also give me your zip cause i need to find out the shipping price

if steven88 doesnt take em, let me know, I might be interested.
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:08 PM
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LOL...my thread has become a for sale thread...

anyway....can anyone else chime in about brake rotors being resurfaced or not?
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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I would. The minimum thickness IIRC is 24 mm/8mm (f/r). Check to see how much you' have to work with.
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by steven88
LOL...my thread has become a for sale thread...

anyway....can anyone else chime in about brake rotors being resurfaced or not?
You can try this first...apparently this process has been useful to a few 300 owners over at our forum...

http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm
Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:42 PM
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I did bed in my brakes when I first installed my Axxis ULT and Brembo blanks...my question is, if I do switch out to Hawk HPS pads, do I need to get a resurface? If so, why?
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Originally Posted by steven88
I did bed in my brakes when I first installed my Axxis ULT and Brembo blanks...my question is, if I do switch out to Hawk HPS pads, do I need to get a resurface? If so, why?
Unless you have grooves, scratches, deposits, etc. on the rotors already, I would not think you would need to resurface them.
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