Intake Question
02-27-2006, 06:26 AM
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Intake Question
Let me start off by saying I do not want to rehash any past threads.
I have an Injen intake, we all know there is a lost of torque once this is installed.
1) Can anyone tell me how or why this happens.
2) Is there a way to modify this intake to reduce the lost of torque
3) What, exactly, is a GAB, ""posts pics if available""".
The reason I ask all this... I am NOT at all impressed with my maximas performance. With that said, I am an AT and pretty much stock at that, so the AT may be my biggest downfall or prohibitor of performance in this car. I am in stop and go to and from work so it beats contunual shifting during these times of communte.
I am telling you pretty much any car with a decent v6 either gives me a good run or beats this car.
To name a few:
Honda pilots
Grand Prix
Madza 6
Altima....even 2.5!!!
I have an Injen intake, we all know there is a lost of torque once this is installed.
1) Can anyone tell me how or why this happens.
2) Is there a way to modify this intake to reduce the lost of torque
3) What, exactly, is a GAB, ""posts pics if available""".
The reason I ask all this... I am NOT at all impressed with my maximas performance. With that said, I am an AT and pretty much stock at that, so the AT may be my biggest downfall or prohibitor of performance in this car. I am in stop and go to and from work so it beats contunual shifting during these times of communte.
I am telling you pretty much any car with a decent v6 either gives me a good run or beats this car.
To name a few:
Honda pilots
Grand Prix
Madza 6
Altima....even 2.5!!!
02-27-2006, 06:34 AM
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Dude, the Injen intake for our cars sucks because it draws hot air from around the radiator and then runs that air right next to the engine! I have exactly the same car as you, my only mod being a GAB intake, and I can take stock GT mustangs no problem. Go to the how to/faq sticky at the top of this forum and you will find some pictures and instructions for the GAB.
02-27-2006, 06:44 AM
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What does GAB stand for?
02-27-2006, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by az02se
Dude, the Injen intake for our cars sucks because it draws hot air from around the radiator and then runs that air right next to the engine! I have exactly the same car as you, my only mod being a GAB intake, and I can take stock GT mustangs no problem. Go to the how to/faq sticky at the top of this forum and you will find some pictures and instructions for the GAB.
the low end loss is not so much because of warm air. It is mainly due to the tube design. the Berk pulls warm air, but it has less low end loss because of it mid tube design.
Some have modified the Injen by taking off the tube that goes down the engine to make it more like the Berk.
02-27-2006, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by n3985
Ghetto air box
I just read about it...thats awesome
02-27-2006, 07:15 AM
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I didn't say it lost low end because of the hot air, I just that it sucks because of it. I had the Jim Wolf Pop charger on my car with a mid pipe and after the engine bay got hot the car would barely pull until higher rpms and was a total dog off the line. The GAB is similar in this, just not as bad. When the car was cool, however, the short ram style (like the berk and the jim wolf) work very well. Plus they sound way better than the GAB (not to say the GAB doesn't sound good!) 
02-27-2006, 08:01 AM
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I think some of you guys would be surprised at what you're calling a HUGE loss of low end torque. I would be willing to bed that even with sucking in hot air its not more than a 10lb/ft loss at low rpm and you probably pickup some power on the high end.
02-27-2006, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MAXRB8
With the Injen you do loose some low end torque but coupled with a Catback hit 4,000rpm and...... LOOK OUT!
If so got any other pics I can see? Those wheels look bad *** and I'm usually not a wheel guy
02-27-2006, 01:02 PM
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Cattman sells a CAI that is a true CAI. You have to drill a hole in your fender to install it, but hey, at least it wont be sucking in hot air...
02-27-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by miksen
Let me start off by saying I do not want to rehash any past threads.
I have an Injen intake, we all know there is a lost of torque once this is installed.
1) Can anyone tell me how or why this happens.
2) Is there a way to modify this intake to reduce the lost of torque
3) What, exactly, is a GAB, ""posts pics if available""".
The reason I ask all this... I am NOT at all impressed with my maximas performance. With that said, I am an AT and pretty much stock at that, so the AT may be my biggest downfall or prohibitor of performance in this car. I am in stop and go to and from work so it beats contunual shifting during these times of communte.
I am telling you pretty much any car with a decent v6 either gives me a good run or beats this car.
To name a few:
Honda pilots
Grand Prix
Madza 6
Altima....even 2.5!!!
I have an Injen intake, we all know there is a lost of torque once this is installed.
1) Can anyone tell me how or why this happens.
2) Is there a way to modify this intake to reduce the lost of torque
3) What, exactly, is a GAB, ""posts pics if available""".
The reason I ask all this... I am NOT at all impressed with my maximas performance. With that said, I am an AT and pretty much stock at that, so the AT may be my biggest downfall or prohibitor of performance in this car. I am in stop and go to and from work so it beats contunual shifting during these times of communte.
I am telling you pretty much any car with a decent v6 either gives me a good run or beats this car.
To name a few:
Honda pilots
Grand Prix
Madza 6
Altima....even 2.5!!!
02-27-2006, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95
Is that your car in your sig?
If so got any other pics I can see? Those wheels look bad *** and I'm usually not a wheel guy
If so got any other pics I can see? Those wheels look bad *** and I'm usually not a wheel guy
Yes it is.....
More pics on my domain: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2237441/1
02-27-2006, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by az02se
I have exactly the same car as you, my only mod being a GAB intake, and I can take stock GT mustangs no problem.
02-27-2006, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thgenmaxima
Not to start an argument, but you must be talking about stock 85 gt's with 180,000 miles?
I have never lost to a Mustang GT, 1990- 2005's (stock Mustangs) And that is including when my car was bone stock.
02-27-2006, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by upstatemax
Thats all I am going to say on the subject, if he has a problem with it he can send me a PM.
I agree with you.As I too can and have outran all stock or lightly mdoded Mustangs (not the latest model of course)
02-27-2006, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by miksen
Let me start off by saying I do not want to rehash any past threads.
I have an Injen intake, we all know there is a lost of torque once this is installed.
1) Can anyone tell me how or why this happens.
2) Is there a way to modify this intake to reduce the lost of torque
3) What, exactly, is a GAB, ""posts pics if available""".
The reason I ask all this... I am NOT at all impressed with my maximas performance. With that said, I am an AT and pretty much stock at that, so the AT may be my biggest downfall or prohibitor of performance in this car. I am in stop and go to and from work so it beats contunual shifting during these times of communte.
I am telling you pretty much any car with a decent v6 either gives me a good run or beats this car.
To name a few:
Honda pilots
Grand Prix
Madza 6
Altima....even 2.5!!!
I have an Injen intake, we all know there is a lost of torque once this is installed.
1) Can anyone tell me how or why this happens.
2) Is there a way to modify this intake to reduce the lost of torque
3) What, exactly, is a GAB, ""posts pics if available""".
The reason I ask all this... I am NOT at all impressed with my maximas performance. With that said, I am an AT and pretty much stock at that, so the AT may be my biggest downfall or prohibitor of performance in this car. I am in stop and go to and from work so it beats contunual shifting during these times of communte.
I am telling you pretty much any car with a decent v6 either gives me a good run or beats this car.
To name a few:
Honda pilots
Grand Prix
Madza 6
Altima....even 2.5!!!
how many miles do you have on your car? You might need to do a fuel injector cleaning. I have a 00 Maxima AT and injen intake. and all those cars that you listed, Ive beaten so many times. We(New Jersey) currently having cold weather so I dont worry about warm air. Injen Intake is a high end intake so for you to achieve the best from your car since you have an Auto you need to keep the car at high RPMs.
A good driver of an Auto should know this.
And if you want better gain, add a catback preferably a stillen
02-27-2006, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ope2k4
Injen Intake is a high end intake so for you to achieve the best from your car since you have an Auto you need to keep the car at high RPMs.
02-27-2006, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ope2k4
Injen Intake is a high end intake so for you to achieve the best from your car since you have an Auto you need to keep the car at high RPMs.
A good driver of an Auto should know this.
And if you want better gain, add a catback preferably a stillen
A good driver of an Auto should know this.
And if you want better gain, add a catback preferably a stillen
The Injen is not a "highend" intake. It is a rip off, it has the worst low end loss with a bit of highend gain.
Cattbacks add almost nothing to a Maxima, please dont post BS. Saying that a good auto driver should keep high rpms is BS also. You need to know where your cars "sweet spot" is. 5.5gen's have better mid range, so high rpms is not ideal, my old Saab was a rocket in the mid range.
02-27-2006, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
It's hard to do in a 4AT. Gearing is too damn tall.
Now Ive driven a 00 stick shift (my friend's car) he has injen also and his car pulls harder than mine plus Im able to stick the rpm to 6500
Originally Posted by upstatemax
The Injen is not a "highend" intake. It is a rip off, it has the worst low end loss with a bit of highend gain.
Cattbacks add almost nothing to a Maxima, please dont post BS. Saying that a good auto driver should keep high rpms is BS also. You need to know where your cars "sweet spot" is. 5.5gen's have better mid range, so high rpms is not ideal, my old Saab was a rocket in the mid range.
Cattbacks add almost nothing to a Maxima, please dont post BS. Saying that a good auto driver should keep high rpms is BS also. You need to know where your cars "sweet spot" is. 5.5gen's have better mid range, so high rpms is not ideal, my old Saab was a rocket in the mid range.
02-27-2006, 11:26 PM
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This was one of my first threads here:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=431784
Read and enjoy!
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=431784
Read and enjoy!
02-28-2006, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GBAUER
If your car is losing to those, you have some other issue. Give it a tune up, have the injectors cleaned and get back to us.
Pilot same thing from a roll
Altima 2.5 was much closer to me than I would have expected.
I did not mean to mislead you i said I either lose or get a GOOD run for my money.
02-28-2006, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
another pointless intake thread covering all the same things discussed in every other intake thread
I did state I DID NOT want to rehash the whole INTAKE issue or Question.
02-28-2006, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ope2k4
different people on here will tell you that different cars respond to Mods differently so Im not going to say more.
Good cause I will, yes different cars will react different. But not that much, no matter how you slice it the Injen is a rip off. Anyone who says any different is just bitter that they waisted to money on it and will not admit that it sucks.
The honest people with an Injen will tell you that it does nothing but hurt perormance but it looks good and sounds good so they keep it. The people that really want performance, dump it or modify it so it more like a Berk intake.
02-28-2006, 08:23 AM
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Comon guys don't argue over a STUPID post on some message board. Everyone is alowed an opinion. Go have some beers and make up!
YES I do agree it is a COMPLETE was of money and had I been a more informed consumer I would never have purchased it. I will be modifying mine this weekend however to make it more like the berk
YES I do agree it is a COMPLETE was of money and had I been a more informed consumer I would never have purchased it. I will be modifying mine this weekend however to make it more like the berk
Originally Posted by upstatemax
Good cause I will, yes different cars will react different. But not that much, no matter how you slice it the Injen is a rip off. Anyone who says any different is just bitter that they waisted to money on it and will not admit that it sucks.
The honest people with an Injen will tell you that it does nothing but hurt perormance but it looks good and sounds good so they keep it. The people that really want performance, dump it or modify it so it more like a Berk intake.
The honest people with an Injen will tell you that it does nothing but hurt perormance but it looks good and sounds good so they keep it. The people that really want performance, dump it or modify it so it more like a Berk intake.
02-28-2006, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by miksen
Comon guys don't argue over a STUPID post on some message board. Everyone is alowed an opinion. Go have some beers and make up!
YES I do agree it is a COMPLETE was of money and had I been a more informed consumer I would never have purchased it. I will be modifying mine this weekend however to make it more like the berk
YES I do agree it is a COMPLETE was of money and had I been a more informed consumer I would never have purchased it. I will be modifying mine this weekend however to make it more like the berk
or because I cannot let anything go and feel the need to argue.
02-28-2006, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by upstatemax
The Injen is not a "highend" intake. It is a rip off, it has the worst low end loss with a bit of highend gain.
Cattbacks add almost nothing to a Maxima, please dont post BS. Saying that a good auto driver should keep high rpms is BS also. You need to know where your cars "sweet spot" is. 5.5gen's have better mid range, so high rpms is not ideal, my old Saab was a rocket in the mid range.
Cattbacks add almost nothing to a Maxima, please dont post BS. Saying that a good auto driver should keep high rpms is BS also. You need to know where your cars "sweet spot" is. 5.5gen's have better mid range, so high rpms is not ideal, my old Saab was a rocket in the mid range.
3.5's in stock form range from 240hp to 295hp depending on the vehicle a tweek here intake, a tweek there exhaust and voila hp difference. The 3.0 was not used nearly as much on a wide range of Nissan products.
02-28-2006, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MAXRB8
Err wrong! on 3.0's the restrictions are in the y-pipe but on the 3.5's the restrictions are in the catback according to Brian Cattman so a catback makes a huge difference on a 3.5 compared to a 3.0. Misken is referring to his 2002 3.5. Also Brian said the Intake coupled with the catback makes the diffence either one on their own..... not sa mucha
We have already discussed this...
The Catbacks on 00-01's and 02-03's are THE SAME!!!!
YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!
02-28-2006, 09:12 AM
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[QUOTE=MAXRB8]Err wrong! on 3.0's the restrictions are in the y-pipe but on the 3.5's the restrictions are in the catback QUOTE]
Ahh but I bekieve I have cali spec and I also read some place that cali have an extra precat vs fed spec which only has one precat...does this restrict me as well?
Can anyone elaborate on that?
Ahh but I bekieve I have cali spec and I also read some place that cali have an extra precat vs fed spec which only has one precat...does this restrict me as well?
Can anyone elaborate on that?
02-28-2006, 09:16 AM
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[QUOTE=miksen]
All 02's are cali spec and a y-pipe alone does not get rid of the pre-cats, you need to get a header system to get rid of them.
Originally Posted by MAXRB8
Err wrong! on 3.0's the restrictions are in the y-pipe but on the 3.5's the restrictions are in the catback QUOTE]
Ahh but I bekieve I have cali spec and I also read some place that cali have an extra precat vs fed spec which only has one precat...does this restrict me as well?
Can anyone elaborate on that?
Ahh but I bekieve I have cali spec and I also read some place that cali have an extra precat vs fed spec which only has one precat...does this restrict me as well?
Can anyone elaborate on that?
All 02's are cali spec and a y-pipe alone does not get rid of the pre-cats, you need to get a header system to get rid of them.
02-28-2006, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by miksen
Upstate...so precats are not a performance robber...I would still reap nice benefits from a catback system
Pre-cats are perfomace robbers. DO NOT listen to the other guy, catbacks give almost no gain on maximas, the one part that does is the B-Pipe and that is about 5hp, the muffler is just for sound. Thats why I switched back to a stock muffler (and it was off an 02 with a 3.5!!!)
Headers will gain roughly 20-25whp. a y-pipe on your car will be roughly 8whp since it does not get rid of the pre-cats. On a 00-01 where it can get rid of pre-cats it is about 15whp.