holy sh*t! $500 for o2 sensors!!??
06-27-2006, 01:57 PM
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holy sh*t! $500 for o2 sensors!!??
So I've had my SES light on for a while now..got it on to the dealer to have it checked out..
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
06-27-2006, 06:33 PM
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1hr to change EACH huh? thats pretty pathetic...$131 per o2 sensor sounds about right...thats the same price I got when I called up the local dealership....but 1hr each is absolutely pathetic...it takes approximately less than 30 minutes to change all 4, once the car is on a lift...and it takes about 5 minutes? to bring the car in and drive it onto the lift and raise it 
If anything, the dealership should charge you somewhere along the lines of 2hrs....the whole o2 sensor removal (all 4) should take a total of 30 minutes...then another 30 minutes for ecm programming...thats 1hr...but hey, its the dealership...throw in another hr becuz they might probably wash yer car
....there you go, 2hrs TOPS is what I would pay the dealership for ecm reprogram + 4 o2 sensor installations....4hrs = 
If anything, the dealership should charge you somewhere along the lines of 2hrs....the whole o2 sensor removal (all 4) should take a total of 30 minutes...then another 30 minutes for ecm programming...thats 1hr...but hey, its the dealership...throw in another hr becuz they might probably wash yer car
....there you go, 2hrs TOPS is what I would pay the dealership for ecm reprogram + 4 o2 sensor installations....4hrs =
06-28-2006, 12:22 AM
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sounds about right if you get it done at the dealership.
they are talking about the ECU reprogram (NOT simply a reset) to fix the problem that causes the 02 to go bad. the dealership has to do this.
TSB - http://maxima.theowensfamily.com/tsb/NTB02-051a.pdf
they are talking about the ECU reprogram (NOT simply a reset) to fix the problem that causes the 02 to go bad. the dealership has to do this.
TSB - http://maxima.theowensfamily.com/tsb/NTB02-051a.pdf
06-28-2006, 12:26 AM
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wait, I re-read the thread again...its only $500 TOTAL? how is that possible, if each o2 sensor costs $131? that comes out to be $524 if you do the calculations...that doesn't include labor?
06-28-2006, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by steven88
wait, I re-read the thread again...its only $500 TOTAL? how is that possible, if each o2 sensor costs $131? that comes out to be $524 if you do the calculations...that doesn't include labor?
06-28-2006, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by steven88
wait, I re-read the thread again...its only $500 TOTAL? how is that possible, if each o2 sensor costs $131? that comes out to be $524 if you do the calculations...that doesn't include labor?
$500 canadian?
If so, I'd let them do it.
EDIT: For only 2? Nevermind.
06-28-2006, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
didnt realize he was canadian!! he needs to convert that **** for us
06-28-2006, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LA02MAX
$500 CAD is approximately $450 USD...that still is considered an @$$ raping in my book...
i wouldnt pay it cause i would do it myself. but he isnt getting charged any more then normal for that job
06-28-2006, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
not for whats getting done.
i wouldnt pay it cause i would do it myself. but he isnt getting charged any more then normal for that job
i wouldnt pay it cause i would do it myself. but he isnt getting charged any more then normal for that job
$200 is just way to much to throw away on something you can do yourself for free taking less than an hour of your time...just my .02
06-28-2006, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LA02MAX
i guess that's true, but like you said 'i would do it myself'
$200 is just way to much to throw away on something you can do yourself for free taking less than an hour of your time...just my .02
$200 is just way to much to throw away on something you can do yourself for free taking less than an hour of your time...just my .02
i would recommend changing the sensor yourself and then paying the dealership one hour labor to do the reprograming
06-28-2006, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
but like i said above, the ECU needs to be reprogramed (according to the TSB).
i would recommend changing the sensor yourself and then paying the dealership one hour labor to do the reprograming
i would recommend changing the sensor yourself and then paying the dealership one hour labor to do the reprograming
06-28-2006, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxBoost925
maybe if you were friends with the mech, he can hook you up!
people talk **** about the dealership but you have to make friends. i was cool with the service manager and got to know him. he hooked me up on prices on a lot of things
06-28-2006, 05:12 AM
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Only replace what's broke... Don't listen to the Stealership... No need to reprogram ECM... I replaced one O2 sensor a few months ago, it took me longer to write to this forum than it did to replace sensor. No problems since. Only a five minute job.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Originally Posted by ke.max
So I've had my SES light on for a while now..got it on to the dealer to have it checked out..
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
06-28-2006, 09:29 AM
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Conversion rate is CDN $1.10 = USD $1.00...
Dealer price for 2 O2s and ECM reprogram sounds about right as I was quoted $350 for one and reprogram, so add another $150 for second O2 and you get his quote...
Ke.max - you could consider the following options:
1. go to oxygensensors.com and get a universal Walker sensor for ~$65 shipped and install it yourself
2. call DaveB and get one from him which will cost you USD $125 shipped to Canada + $20-30 brokerage/tax fees
3. go to CT and pick up a Bosch one for ~$150 (OEMs are made by Bosch too
)
4. based on the SES code, you could get a simulator for $25 and call it a day
Dealer price for 2 O2s and ECM reprogram sounds about right as I was quoted $350 for one and reprogram, so add another $150 for second O2 and you get his quote...
Ke.max - you could consider the following options:
1. go to oxygensensors.com and get a universal Walker sensor for ~$65 shipped and install it yourself
2. call DaveB and get one from him which will cost you USD $125 shipped to Canada + $20-30 brokerage/tax fees
3. go to CT and pick up a Bosch one for ~$150 (OEMs are made by Bosch too
)4. based on the SES code, you could get a simulator for $25 and call it a day
06-28-2006, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ke.max
So I've had my SES light on for a while now..got it on to the dealer to have it checked out..
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
It is a bit tricky to replace, but doable. You will need an open wrench as the 02 sensor socket will not work with one of the 2 rear bank sensors. You will need patience with this one but will also save a lot. ECU programming will need to be done if the CEL does not go off after repalcing the sensors.
06-28-2006, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ke.max
So I've had my SES light on for a while now..got it on to the dealer to have it checked out..
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
came out with a code saying my "rear o2 sensor" is gone...
what I was told by the stealership:
"Rear o2 sensor is gone"
"There is a left and a right, its recommended to change both"
"There are 4 o2 sensors in total"
"they are beside the cat, under the motor - near the Y pipe"
"$131.21 each, it takes an hour to install each, plus 1/2 hour to do an ecm reprograming"
"All in all, $500 should get it done."
Am I getting raped?
Are these o2 sensors hard to replace? If I were to pick them up - would a experienced mechanic be able to do it?
Thanks for the input!
It is a bit tricky to replace, but doable. You will need an open wrench as the 02 sensor socket will not work with one of the 2 rear bank sensors. You will need patience with this one but will also save a lot. ECU programming will need to be done if the CEL does not go off after replacing the sensors.
06-28-2006, 11:47 AM
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I got all 4 for $330 shipped from www.ngk.com.
Got the O2 removal tools for rent from Autozone and bought a can of PB blaster.
Run the car for 5 minutes to heat up the exhaust pieces as this helps removing the O2s, jack up the car, follow the FSM on O2 locations, spray some PB to loosen the O2s, and you will be done in 2 hrs.
Definetly a DIY job, only thing to be sure is not to touch the wires from the O2s onto hot surfaces, some patience is needed for correct routing of the wires.
You will be pleased with yourself for having saved $200 on labor!!!
Got the O2 removal tools for rent from Autozone and bought a can of PB blaster.
Run the car for 5 minutes to heat up the exhaust pieces as this helps removing the O2s, jack up the car, follow the FSM on O2 locations, spray some PB to loosen the O2s, and you will be done in 2 hrs.
Definetly a DIY job, only thing to be sure is not to touch the wires from the O2s onto hot surfaces, some patience is needed for correct routing of the wires.
You will be pleased with yourself for having saved $200 on labor!!!
06-30-2006, 05:19 AM
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Just bought 2 new O2's from Dave B last week. Threw p0138 and p0140 codes. I have a 00'se cali emmisions car and have been reading the owensfamily.com write up about this. I am NOT a big car guy (and certainly not claiming to be one) but think that this should be done rather simply. Will be doing this fix this weekend, and am planning on taking pics. If you can wait till next weekend, I will try to post the pics by wednesday. I have been hearing that the clips/wire ties are the biggest pain on this project. The sensors that Dave B sent me have them already on the wires. Plug and play baby......i hope.
I was also told (by dealer) that if you had the ECU flashed after a certain date you will not need the reflash, just unplug the battery overnight. They released a patch, apparently around 02' and have been including it with the ECU flashes since then. Not sure if thats true,,,,we shall see next week.
I was also told (by dealer) that if you had the ECU flashed after a certain date you will not need the reflash, just unplug the battery overnight. They released a patch, apparently around 02' and have been including it with the ECU flashes since then. Not sure if thats true,,,,we shall see next week.
06-30-2006, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by geenowalker
Just bought 2 new O2's from Dave B last week. Threw p0138 and p0140 codes. I have a 00'se cali emmisions car and have been reading the owensfamily.com write up about this. I am NOT a big car guy (and certainly not claiming to be one) but think that this should be done rather simply. Will be doing this fix this weekend, and am planning on taking pics. If you can wait till next weekend, I will try to post the pics by wednesday. I have been hearing that the clips/wire ties are the biggest pain on this project. The sensors that Dave B sent me have them already on the wires. Plug and play baby......i hope.
I was also told (by dealer) that if you had the ECU flashed after a certain date you will not need the reflash, just unplug the battery overnight. They released a patch, apparently around 02' and have been including it with the ECU flashes since then. Not sure if thats true,,,,we shall see next week.
I was also told (by dealer) that if you had the ECU flashed after a certain date you will not need the reflash, just unplug the battery overnight. They released a patch, apparently around 02' and have been including it with the ECU flashes since then. Not sure if thats true,,,,we shall see next week.
I had an updated MAF installed and the ECM upgrade. The ECM has to be done at the dealer and car set aside. If anythign electronic is touched during the download to the ECM you will fry it. An .Org memeber hooked me up with a Nissan tech. He had to make sure you did not even roll the window up, or else Poof! New ECM needed. So my point is the ECM update may prevent the sensor from going again, so it may be worth having them at least do an upgrade. Buy the MAF from Dave B. and find a dealer the will do it, and maybe only cahrge you $60 for the time needed to flash.
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