Weird P0011 Intake Valve TCS Occurrence
11-15-2006, 07:30 PM
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Weird P0011 Intake Valve TCS Occurrence
SES light popped up Saturday. No difference in drivability. Had Autozone check it and got P0011 (intake timing excess advance, Bank #1). Since my Max had the cam pos sensor recall done back in 2004, I didn't want to just replace my CPS *****-nilly.
Took it to the dealer yesterday. Their Consult analysis result? They said I needed to replace (1) crankshaft position sensor, and (2) Intake Valve timing control solenoid valve, Bank #1. Total cost P&L? $557 ($175 for solenoid, $75 for crank sensor + 3 hours labor)!!!
A quick call to Dave B, and I ordered the same parts for $172 total plus shipping.
Fortunately, the dealer recently reduced their basic diagnostic fee to $49, so that's what I paid to get my car back. Meanwhile, my parts should arrive tomorrow (Thursday).
So I get in the car this morning (Wednesday) and guess what? For the 1st time in 4 days - no SES light!! WTF?!?
I'm still planning to replace the parts, but I'm still wondering what's going on?
My theory is that the solenoid was sticking and now it isn't. But I figure it'll be sticking again soon if I don't replace it.
PS - I've recently had an intermittent warm start stall issue, and I believe that's related to the crank sensor.
Took it to the dealer yesterday. Their Consult analysis result? They said I needed to replace (1) crankshaft position sensor, and (2) Intake Valve timing control solenoid valve, Bank #1. Total cost P&L? $557 ($175 for solenoid, $75 for crank sensor + 3 hours labor)!!!
A quick call to Dave B, and I ordered the same parts for $172 total plus shipping.
Fortunately, the dealer recently reduced their basic diagnostic fee to $49, so that's what I paid to get my car back. Meanwhile, my parts should arrive tomorrow (Thursday).
So I get in the car this morning (Wednesday) and guess what? For the 1st time in 4 days - no SES light!! WTF?!?
I'm still planning to replace the parts, but I'm still wondering what's going on?
My theory is that the solenoid was sticking and now it isn't. But I figure it'll be sticking again soon if I don't replace it.PS - I've recently had an intermittent warm start stall issue, and I believe that's related to the crank sensor.
11-16-2006, 10:12 PM
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Anyone have any ideas as to what's happening? Bueller? Bueller? I guess this explains why my search on "P0011" and the TCS didn't turn up much.
My new parts showed up today (thanks Dave B) but since my SES light is still in "remission", I'm waiting until the weekend to mess with installing them.
Meanwhile I am still knocking out a very consistent 25 mpg (okay, 24.9 mpg), measured at each fill up (93 Premium only, natch).
This is my overall daily average, but keep in mind my commute to work is mostly highway.
My new parts showed up today (thanks Dave B) but since my SES light is still in "remission", I'm waiting until the weekend to mess with installing them.
Meanwhile I am still knocking out a very consistent 25 mpg (okay, 24.9 mpg), measured at each fill up (93 Premium only, natch).
This is my overall daily average, but keep in mind my commute to work is mostly highway.
11-17-2006, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Succinct
My theory is that the solenoid was sticking and now it isn't. But I figure it'll be sticking again soon if I don't replace it.
11-26-2006, 08:37 PM
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UPDATE:
Installed the new crankshaft pos sensor and new Bank #1 Timing control Solenoid (TCS) tonight (was out of town on vacation for a week).
Crank pos sensor - VERY E-Z, once I dealt with the under-engine trim. So I destroyed a few stubborn plastic trim fasteners. About a 15-minute job.
TCS - That Bank#1 solenoid (nearest the firewall) is a bit tricky to get at without removing the intake manifold, but I successfully changed it out in just over an hour. Fortunately the old gasket was easy to remove. Had to temporarily remove the new FSTB to facilitate the job.
Result? Well, as mentioned the SES light has been off for a few days now, and it didn't come back on after I installed the new parts. Will fully road test in my commute to work tomorrow. I hope it cured the warm stall problem I've been having at warm start-up, but I suspect that's the MAF beginning to let go....
Installed the new crankshaft pos sensor and new Bank #1 Timing control Solenoid (TCS) tonight (was out of town on vacation for a week).
Crank pos sensor - VERY E-Z, once I dealt with the under-engine trim. So I destroyed a few stubborn plastic trim fasteners. About a 15-minute job.
TCS - That Bank#1 solenoid (nearest the firewall) is a bit tricky to get at without removing the intake manifold, but I successfully changed it out in just over an hour. Fortunately the old gasket was easy to remove. Had to temporarily remove the new FSTB to facilitate the job.
Result? Well, as mentioned the SES light has been off for a few days now, and it didn't come back on after I installed the new parts. Will fully road test in my commute to work tomorrow. I hope it cured the warm stall problem I've been having at warm start-up, but I suspect that's the MAF beginning to let go....
11-27-2006, 07:35 AM
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Succinct in response to that SES light just disappearing, the same thing happened to my car too. I have a 2003 like yourself and about a week after pulling a P0650 along with a P0455 and P01448 the light disappared before I even did anything. I quick bulb test confirmed that the SES light is not working at all now. When I turn the ignition to the "ON" position the SES light is not there. It should pop up along with the Airbag and oil light and the other usual lights and then go away after you start the car or stay on if it detects a problem. Check to make sure it's working. I gotta take my car to the stealer to have them check it out.
11-27-2006, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Redstone
SuccinctCheck to make sure it's working. I gotta take my car to the stealer to have them check it out.
04-16-2007, 06:40 PM
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I know this is an old thread, the SES light will reset after so many cycles of the ignition being turned on... If it comes back on you def have a problem with that paticular sensor or circuit so on...
04-16-2007, 09:02 PM
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Why wait for it to cycle, and not find out what tripped it in the 1st place? I'm not in the mood to change paragraphs and all that jazz, but here you go.
*1: 1st trip DTCs for self-diagnoses concerning SRT items cannot be shown on the GST display.
*2: When DTC and 1st trip DTC simultaneously appear on the display, they cannot be clearly distinguished from each other.
The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the instrument panel lights up when the same malfunction is detected
in two consecutive trips (Two trip detection logic), or when the ECM enters fail-safe mode. (Refer to EC-129.)
Two Trip Detection Logic
NFEC1424
When a malfunction is detected for the first time, 1st trip DTC and 1st trip Freeze Frame data are stored in
the ECM memory. The MIL will not light up at this stage. <1st trip>
If the same malfunction is detected again during the next drive, the DTC and Freeze Frame data are stored
in the ECM memory, and the MIL lights up. The MIL lights up at the same time when the DTC is stored. <2nd
trip> The “trip” in the “Two Trip Detection Logic” means a driving mode in which self-diagnosis is performed
during vehicle operation. Specific on board diagnostic items will cause the ECM to light up or blink the MIL,
and store DTC and Freeze Frame data, even in the 1st trip, as shown below.
*2: When DTC and 1st trip DTC simultaneously appear on the display, they cannot be clearly distinguished from each other.
The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the instrument panel lights up when the same malfunction is detected
in two consecutive trips (Two trip detection logic), or when the ECM enters fail-safe mode. (Refer to EC-129.)
Two Trip Detection Logic
NFEC1424
When a malfunction is detected for the first time, 1st trip DTC and 1st trip Freeze Frame data are stored in
the ECM memory. The MIL will not light up at this stage. <1st trip>
If the same malfunction is detected again during the next drive, the DTC and Freeze Frame data are stored
in the ECM memory, and the MIL lights up. The MIL lights up at the same time when the DTC is stored. <2nd
trip> The “trip” in the “Two Trip Detection Logic” means a driving mode in which self-diagnosis is performed
during vehicle operation. Specific on board diagnostic items will cause the ECM to light up or blink the MIL,
and store DTC and Freeze Frame data, even in the 1st trip, as shown below.
04-16-2007, 11:14 PM
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Why don't you reset the ECU? That will make the code go away.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....85#post2389185
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....85#post2389185
04-17-2007, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Why don't you reset the ECU? That will make the code go away.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....85#post2389185
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....85#post2389185
04-17-2007, 02:55 PM
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but it does, i know it because ive done it before. just because i have 4x posts doesnt mean im retarded. i know what im doing. i wasnt asking for opinions on what to do, just wanted to know the answer and you obviously dont know it
04-17-2007, 03:09 PM
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No, the ECU reset does not require you to reset your Radio preset stations, nor your sunroof.
Not in the procedure in the link.
If you disconnected your battery (another way to reset the ECU), then yes, but if you clicked the link as per my instructions, no you are wrong.
Next time, just click the link.
Not in the procedure in the link.
If you disconnected your battery (another way to reset the ECU), then yes, but if you clicked the link as per my instructions, no you are wrong.
Next time, just click the link.
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04-17-2007, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Theyears02
next time, dont answer unless you are going to answer the question i asked.
He did, but you did not specify what type of car it was for; resetting the ECU will not reset anything else. Unless you disconnect the battery, your settings will remain. Obviously this only works for 3.5s
04-17-2007, 05:39 PM
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You happy now?
Originally Posted by Theyears02
what if i know what tripped it cause i checked the code myself, but i want to know how long until it cycles out?
*1: When the same malfunction is detected in two consecutive trips, MIL will light up.
*2: MIL will go off after vehicle is driven 3 times (pattern B) without any malfunctions.
*3: When the same malfunction is detected in two consecutive trips, the DTC and the freeze frame data will be stored in ECM.
*4: The DTC and the freeze frame data will not be displayed any longer after vehicle is driven 80 times (pattern C) without the same malfunction. (The DTC and the freeze frame data still remain in ECM.)
*5: When a malfunction is detected for the first time, the 1st trip DTC and the 1st trip freeze frame data will be stored in ECM.
*6: The 1st trip DTC and the 1st trip freeze frame data will be cleared at the moment OK is detected.
*7: When the same malfunction is detected in the 2nd trip, the 1st trip freeze frame data will be cleared.
*8: 1st trip DTC will be cleared when vehicle is driven once (pattern C) without the same malfunction after DTC is stored in ECM.
*2: MIL will go off after vehicle is driven 3 times (pattern B) without any malfunctions.
*3: When the same malfunction is detected in two consecutive trips, the DTC and the freeze frame data will be stored in ECM.
*4: The DTC and the freeze frame data will not be displayed any longer after vehicle is driven 80 times (pattern C) without the same malfunction. (The DTC and the freeze frame data still remain in ECM.)
*5: When a malfunction is detected for the first time, the 1st trip DTC and the 1st trip freeze frame data will be stored in ECM.
*6: The 1st trip DTC and the 1st trip freeze frame data will be cleared at the moment OK is detected.
*7: When the same malfunction is detected in the 2nd trip, the 1st trip freeze frame data will be cleared.
*8: 1st trip DTC will be cleared when vehicle is driven once (pattern C) without the same malfunction after DTC is stored in ECM.
04-18-2007, 01:24 AM
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having to look up a 
image FTL. btw, i wasnt asking to be spoonfed, just off the top of the head information, if nobody had it it was fine with me. the way people here treat newbie's is disgusting, ive been looking on this site for over a year and have a fair cumulative knowledge...but because of your post count everybody thinks youre an idiot. making generalizations FTL
image FTL. btw, i wasnt asking to be spoonfed, just off the top of the head information, if nobody had it it was fine with me. the way people here treat newbie's is disgusting, ive been looking on this site for over a year and have a fair cumulative knowledge...but because of your post count everybody thinks youre an idiot. making generalizations FTL
04-18-2007, 06:26 AM
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Ok, back 
If you reset your ECU using the method outlined in the FSM, my link, you wouldn't have to reset your radio, nor your sunroof. That was my only concern.
Being that you didn't know that, even after I provided you the link, and after I've done it 100's of times on my own car and KNOW that it doesn't require aforementioned casualties, it was NOT a generalization.
It was clear that either you were referring to the 'disconnect battery terminal' for xx hours method, or just blatantly didn't click on my link and assumed I was referring to said battery terminal d/c.
If you reset your ECU using the method outlined in the FSM, my link, you wouldn't have to reset your radio, nor your sunroof. That was my only concern.
Being that you didn't know that, even after I provided you the link, and after I've done it 100's of times on my own car and KNOW that it doesn't require aforementioned casualties, it was NOT a generalization.
It was clear that either you were referring to the 'disconnect battery terminal' for xx hours method, or just blatantly didn't click on my link and assumed I was referring to said battery terminal d/c.
11-19-2007, 04:44 PM
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yeah but mine has a intake valve timing control cuircuit failure. i checked the cam position sensor with a voltmeter and it looked as though it was performing within the specified limits. 7.5 ohm resistance right? my car also has a short in the MIL circuit so the CEL never lit up. it does FLICKER tho, very faintly, im pretty sure thats not good, also my oil pressure light does it and doesnt light when i do the service test for your guages and meters.
11-19-2007, 05:16 PM
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yeah but mine has a intake valve timing control cuircuit failure. i checked the cam position sensor with a voltmeter and it looked as though it was performing within the specified limits. 7.5 ohm resistance right? my car also has a short in the MIL circuit so the CEL never lit up. it does FLICKER tho, very faintly, im pretty sure thats not good, also my oil pressure light does it and doesnt light when i do the service test for your guages and meters.
Try a new ECU maybe.
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