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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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Tranny sounds like a damn roots blower....

I have no idea as to what caused this or what the issue is, but something happend a while back that makes my tranny sound like it thinks it's a roots syle blower that's spooling up.

I drive a modded 5spd 00 max. I drive it HARD everyday and have done so for 4.5 years. It has around 93k miles on it. Frankly I'm suprized that the tranny has lasted this long. The funny thing is, the noise is the only symptom. I can't figure it out for the life of me because it sounds as if the whole damn things going to fall apart, but it's been this way for a couple of months now and I haven't been babying it in the least. The noise started shortly after I installed a new starter, so I thought that it could be a faulty starter, however the noise only happens when I'm in a gear, with or without the clutch in, the noise disappears when I put the shifter in a neutral position.

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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 10:30 PM
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Could be your synchros going out. Or maybe your alternator.

Time for a new tranny (happened to me as well)
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:01 AM
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that could be many things and hard for us to help you over the internet.

and FYI, you can drive your car hard and it not fall apart. you just have to take care of it.
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do you know what a roots style blower sounds like? i only ask because doubt your tranny sounds like it...can you describe the sounds any better?
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Torgus
do you know what a roots style blower sounds like? i only ask because doubt your tranny sounds like it...can you describe the sounds any better?
he started the thread so he could say "roots style blower"
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:11 AM
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Input shaft bearings are toast.

Stop driving like a ricer, speed shifting and chirping 2nd + 3rd gear isn't going to make your car go any faster.

While in there replace the countershaft bearings, and diff bearings along with a new input shaft and diff seals. Very easy to rebuild.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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Okay guys, jesus I forgot how condescending some of you can sound.

Sooner- I know that you can drive a car hard for a while as long as you maintain it, which I do, I was just looking for advice.

Torgus- yes I know what a roots style blower sounds like, otherwise I wouldn't have described it as that sound. It doesn't sound EXACTLY like a roots blower, it's just the sound that I thought of when I first heard it.

Blackbird- Thank you for the advice. And I don't drive like a ricer, I just drive the car hard when I'm not in the city and race it from time to time. And I don't speed shift. But, again, thanks for being the only one to post something usefull. I'll look into it.

Edit: maxboost925, thank you as well.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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personally i wouldn't go with a rebuild. I'd buy a junk yard tranny with low miles assuming you can do the work yourself. But thats just me. You can probably grab one for 500 shipped or less. good luck.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Torgus
personally i wouldn't go with a rebuild. I'd buy a junk yard tranny with low miles assuming you can do the work yourself. But thats just me. You can probably grab one for 500 shipped or less. good luck.
Thanks Torgus, I've gotta talk with my mechanic before I decide. I could probably do the work myself, I just don't have the tools. Also, the noise is the only symptom as of right now, I plan on driving it 'till it busts.

Thanks again for the advice.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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it's really not to hard...takes about 6 hours give or take how quick things go...i did it and all i had done before was replace axels and the such...just a bunch of bolts. good luck with whatever you do! let us know how it goes...as for driving it untill it goes boom...personally i wouldn't do that but thats me...i like to fix things the second they go wrong. someone else could tell you the dangers of running untill the gearbox gernade itself...afaik once it goes bamn the gearbox is probably shot and a rebuild is out of the question.
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Originally Posted by mad2kmax
Sooner- I know that you can drive a car hard for a while as long as you maintain it, which I do
then why do you have a problem

there is a huge difference between "driving a car hard" and "abusing a car"
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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Torgus- you have a good point, and I'll def. look into it once I get the time, seems to be the better way to deal with the issue.

Sooner- do you just like antagonizing people or what? We all have problems with our cars. I've spent a lot of money on my car and I intend on enjoying it. If something breaks along the way, then I'll fix it. Most of the money that I've spent on this car is for it to go faster and handle better so I can enjoy driving the dogg**** out of it. Quit being an internet smartass and go learn how to drive. I enjoy spirited driving and expect malfunctions along the way, and I've never complained about it, so leave me the hell alone. What I do with my car is my own business, unless I post it here. I wasn't complaining about nissan or the max, just trying to diagnose a problem. So go play with other lossers on the net, unless your with a nissan car watch group that watches out for abuse on helpless maximas. Get a life and stop posting on my threads unless you have something usefull to say. I didn't come back onto the org after a couple of years to have some idiot who has nothing else to do screw up my posts. Unless you have something usefull to say that can help another member, then shut the hell up.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mad2kmax
go learn how to drive.
............

i would out drive you any day of the week...and not break my car doing it. thats because i drive my car hard and you abuse yours in an attempt to make up for your lack of horsepower and driving ability.
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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damn, sooner is racking them up!
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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damn, sooner is racking them up!
im not here to make friends
Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
im not here to make friends
I said this long time ago....

Local forum is where its at.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
im not here to make friends

And I'm not here to suffer fools or get into a fight with one on the net. People like you are the reason that so many people don't come on the org anymore. You're acting like a child.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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I think my tranny is doing the same thing. It is auto though. Ive already replaced the axles and wheel bearings. The clymer manual i have isnt that great with alot of big stuff
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mad2kmax
People like you are the reason that so many immature people with no common sense that cant follow rules and want to be spoon fed don't come on the org anymore.
fixed........
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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If you drive your car hard then yes your gonna expect tranny problems but not only that but engine. just cause you see things in commercials doesnt mean you have to renact them just like it says at the bottom of the screen on a car commerical thats driving fast or whatever it says "Professional Driver in closed coarse please dont attempt". seems to me you dont listen to that and you been doing it for 5 years dude iam surprised that didnt blow up long ago. learn to drive and car and not be so hard on it all the time. its ok to do it a little bit but not everyday you put stress on the tranny and motor.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by STILLENGLE
If you drive your car hard then yes your gonna expect tranny problems but not only that but engine. just cause you see things in commercials doesnt mean you have to renact them just like it says at the bottom of the screen on a car commerical thats driving fast or whatever it says "Professional Driver in closed coarse please dont attempt". seems to me you dont listen to that and you been doing it for 5 years dude iam surprised that didnt blow up long ago. learn to drive and car and not be so hard on it all the time. its ok to do it a little bit but not everyday you put stress on the tranny and motor.
I'm sorry but what you just wrote has been the most stupid thing I have ever read. Please stop trying to make yourself sound smart with replies in every thread.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 08:25 PM
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Sooner, even if you aren't here to make friends, doesn't mean you have to be a narcissistic *****. Just because he has transmission problems doesn't mean he shifts under power, does clutch drops at high engine speeds, etc. You can't make such an inference from his posts in this thread. If his question bothers you that much then just don't respond to it. You're proclaiming how dumb and immature his question is and how worthless he is yet your taking time and effort out of your day to insult him. I hope you see the irony and hypocrisy in that.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 08:38 PM
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Just because he has transmission problems doesn't mean he shifts under power, does clutch drops at high engine speeds, etc. You can't make such an inference from his posts in this thread.
highlights from his original post
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I have no idea as to what caused this....
I drive a modded 5spd 00 max.
I drive it HARD everyday and have done so for 4.5 years.
Frankly I'm suprized that the tranny has lasted this long.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
highlights from his original post
Does that really mean he abuses his car? As you said, there is a difference between abusing and driving hard. Can you REALLY make such an inference from those lines? The car may very well have worn out. No mechanical system lasts forever, even with proper care.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitebread
Does that really mean he abuses his car? As you said, there is a difference between abusing and driving hard. Can you REALLY make such an inference from those lines?
I drive it HARD everyday and have done so for 4.5 years.
Frankly I'm suprized that the tranny has lasted this long.
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a little thread review to see who was out of line

Originally Posted by soonerfan
that could be many things and hard for us to help you over the internet.
and FYI, you can drive your car hard and it not fall apart. you just have to take care of it.
Originally Posted by mad2kmax
Sooner- I know that you can drive a car hard for a while as long as you maintain it, which I do, I was just looking for advice.
Originally Posted by soonerfan
then why do you have a problem

there is a huge difference between "driving a car hard" and "abusing a car"
then it all started with this

Originally Posted by mad2kmax
Sooner- do you just like antagonizing people or what? We all have problems with our cars. I've spent a lot of money on my car and I intend on enjoying it. If something breaks along the way, then I'll fix it. Most of the money that I've spent on this car is for it to go faster and handle better so I can enjoy driving the dogg**** out of it. Quit being an internet smartass and go learn how to drive. I enjoy spirited driving and expect malfunctions along the way, and I've never complained about it, so leave me the hell alone. What I do with my car is my own business, unless I post it here. I wasn't complaining about nissan or the max, just trying to diagnose a problem. So go play with other lossers on the net, unless your with a nissan car watch group that watches out for abuse on helpless maximas. Get a life and stop posting on my threads unless you have something usefull to say. I didn't come back onto the org after a couple of years to have some idiot who has nothing else to do screw up my posts. Unless you have something usefull to say that can help another member, then shut the hell up.
so i was out of line in my first two posts? did i "antagonize" him? did i say anything to deserve his long response?

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Sounds like the input shaft or differential bearings. The 5 speeds all have this problem at some point. On my 2000 max 5spd, I had the diff. bearings go out at 59K. Tranny was replaced under warranty only to fail again at 99K.
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
a little thread review to see who was out of line





then it all started with this



so i was out of line in my first two posts? did i "antagonize" him? did i say anything to deserve his long response?

4.5 years of hard driving can destroy or damage a transmission. Its less likely to happen, but it can happen. Stress cracking due to friction and deflection out of tolerences and/or involute gear meshing can send a transmission on its way to the junk yard faster than most people think. The surface finish and opperating tolerences in a complicated, high performance mechanical system like a transmission is extremely important. Just a little scratch on a gear, shaft, bearing or seal from a tiny spec of metal can shorten a parts life. Failures usually start as tiny, tiny problems that you can't even see with your naked eye.

Sure, its possible that the OP does or did abuse his tranny and retired it before its time, but I'd give him teh benefit of the doubt.

I have to appologize to you though, my first post was unwarranted as the OP was the one who initiated the conflict. Sorry about that.
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitebread
4.5 years of hard driving can destroy or damage a transmission. Its less likely to happen, but it can happen. Stress cracking due to friction and deflection out of tolerences and/or involute gear meshing can send a transmission on its way to the junk yard faster than most people think. The surface finish and opperating tolerences in a complicated, high performance mechanical system like a transmission is extremely important. Just a little scratch on a gear, shaft, bearing or seal from a tiny spec of metal can shorten a parts life. Failures usually start as tiny, tiny problems that you can't even see with your naked eye.

Sure, its possible that the OP does or did abuse his tranny and retired it before its time, but I'd give him teh benefit of the doubt.

I have to appologize to you though, my first post was unwarranted as the OP was the one who initiated the conflict. Sorry about that.
Excessive preload on the differential bearings from the factory causes these failures.
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so i was out of line in my first two posts? did i "antagonize" him? did i say anything to deserve his long response?

Originally Posted by soonerfan
he started the thread so he could say "roots style blower"
that's probably what got the ball rolling.. he took that and your next post as being demeaning, because the context was already set from you saying that he started the thread for a stupid reason
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Excessive preload on the differential bearings from the factory causes these failures.
O, it is a documented problem? I've been uncovering way too many of these lately.............
Old Jul 30, 2007 | 09:44 PM
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O, it is a documented problem? I've been uncovering way too many of these lately.............
yeah, do a search
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Originally Posted by Weimar Ben
yeah, do a search
Well, I don't have a 5 speed, I have a 6. I've encountered or read up on a number of problems with my years components. And I've got quite a few of them........ Not much I'm going to do about fixing them either. If I did, I'd end up spending more to fix the car than I paid to buy it.
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 06:45 AM
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Stillengle and others: you're missing the point. I'm not some teenager out driving the crap out of my dad's car and thinking that it'll never blow up...
as I said earlier I expect things to fail eventually even if I never got past 4k rpm. I pay for this car, I pay for the repairs, I take responsiblity when things break, and that's ok. Again, if I want to drive my car hard, that's my business so long as I'm not putting anyone else in danger. It would be different if I came on here posting how nissans are crap because I drove my car hard for 93k miles and my tranny's busted. No, I'm not saying that. I have a lot of respect for nissans. And sooner, yes, I am suprised about it lasting this long because I've heard of so many other people who've had to have their's replaced/rebuilt way before 93k miles who drove normally. No one can infer how good/bad a driver someone is from an internet post unless I come on here saying 'wow, just got finished doin donuts for 2 hours...'
I drive my car hard, yes, and I choose to, so what?
And, no, I don't want to be spoon fed, this site used to be full of members who would gladly help other members if they had a problem. I've gotten help from a lot of people on here, and I've helped a lot of people. That's what this site should be about, not 2 people arguing over nothing.

Weimar Ben and Whitebread, thank you for your posts that deal with the actual question.
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