A/T vs 2002 Accord v6
10-12-2001, 02:42 AM
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A/T vs 2002 Accord v6
Both stock...who will win 0-60? tried doing a search but haven't seen much about the two racing. I have faith that i'll win...but my friend talks so much smack that it's starting to get to me. the accord is a coupe and my 01 max is an auto. Sorry for asking such a newbie question...it's just that accords i've seen are driven by girls or guys that fix it up too much to even consider racing.
10-12-2001, 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Manually shift and you'll edge him out.
Manually shift and you'll edge him out.
1) Brake-Torque
2) Manually shift.
3) Practice #1 and #2 until you can launch well and know when to shift to avoid bouncing off of the rev limiter.
Good luck
And tell your smack-talking Accord V6 friend to stop by AccordV6.com and we'll whip him into shape and teach him to respect the Max, unless you do it yourself first-hand
10-12-2001, 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
its strange.... when I bounce of the limiter in first, it seems to pull stronger in second.... wierd.... but I try not to test it out too much
its strange.... when I bounce of the limiter in first, it seems to pull stronger in second.... wierd.... but I try not to test it out too much
Originally posted by Y2KevSE (#1 Post *****)
Took you long enough to answer, Steve. :-)
Took you long enough to answer, Steve. :-)
10-12-2001, 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
probably because when you hit the rev-limiter your acceleration rate drops to zero and then you get a relatively bigger kick in the butt when you hit 2nd, so your butt-dyno gets faked out thinking you're pulling harder.
probably because when you hit the rev-limiter your acceleration rate drops to zero and then you get a relatively bigger kick in the butt when you hit 2nd, so your butt-dyno gets faked out thinking you're pulling harder.
10-12-2001, 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Oh sorry, oh great one. You know I could never compare to you with your 20,000 posts and 5 second response time to all posts. Some of us work and sleep, ya know!! :cheese
Oh sorry, oh great one. You know I could never compare to you with your 20,000 posts and 5 second response time to all posts. Some of us work and sleep, ya know!! :cheese
:P
10-12-2001, 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Yep, you guys have the advantage (stock vs. stock) against Accord V6's, but only if you manually shift to bypass your crappy 5900rpm shift point. If you don't, you won't hit your 222HP peak at 6400rpm and you'll have no more power than an Accord V6. If you do you should edge it out, as long as you don't bounce off of the rev limiter. So I would recommend that you:
1) Brake-Torque...
Yep, you guys have the advantage (stock vs. stock) against Accord V6's, but only if you manually shift to bypass your crappy 5900rpm shift point. If you don't, you won't hit your 222HP peak at 6400rpm and you'll have no more power than an Accord V6. If you do you should edge it out, as long as you don't bounce off of the rev limiter. So I would recommend that you:
1) Brake-Torque...
10-12-2001, 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Menacer
What is brake torque and how do you do it?
What is brake torque and how do you do it?
Experiment...
10-12-2001, 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by hawk
I thought stepping on brakes and gas is bad...
Man, it takes that much for a stock Max to beat an Accord, that's kinda sad/scary. My roommate has a 98 Accord V6, we were going to race but I don't know, might lose! =)
I thought stepping on brakes and gas is bad...
Man, it takes that much for a stock Max to beat an Accord, that's kinda sad/scary. My roommate has a 98 Accord V6, we were going to race but I don't know, might lose! =)
That's really stupid if you ask me, and this is one of the reasons why I didn't buy a Maxima, but an Accord V6 instead. I think it's almost grounds for a lawsuit if the standard programming on the tranny never takes it up to the full 222HP but rather maybe only 200 or so. What a gip.
In the Accord V6 the tranny shifts right at redline for us so we don't have to worry about crap like this when racing.
As for brake-torquing, yes, it does put a pretty hefty load on the transmission, and yes, it can be bad for it. You don't want to do it for more than a few seconds or else you can overheat your transmission, and heat is the #1 cause of auto tranny failure. If you drive in a spirited fashion, or you're going to be racing/brake-torquing a lot then I would strongly recommend getting a Transmission cooler to help prevent heat buildup.
Go ahead and race your buddy with the Accord V6. If you don't power-shift you'll probably only be even with him and it could go either way, but power-shifting (manually shifting) at redline and thus bypassing the short-shift should allow you to edge him out, assuming you both launch equally well.
One tip that the guys here will tell you is that you need to practice your shift timing. i.e. start out with the shifter in 1st gear, but to avoid bouncing off of the rev limiter you'll actually need to shift at like 6100rpm or so because the shift isn't instantaneous. I think doing that will get the shift in right at redline and you should be good to go.
10-12-2001, 08:49 PM
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hey where's your Maxima spirit?! To all of those Maxima owners I say you smoke any stock Accord day or night, they're slow-*** cars.
My personal experience: my 5spd GXE and an auto V6 Accord w5K miles on it. I pulled on him so hard from the stop, like 3 cars at once. If you got an auto, whatta hell, you gain 2 cars on him. Auto 5th gen Max is comparable to 3.2 TL in speed.
My personal experience: my 5spd GXE and an auto V6 Accord w5K miles on it. I pulled on him so hard from the stop, like 3 cars at once. If you got an auto, whatta hell, you gain 2 cars on him. Auto 5th gen Max is comparable to 3.2 TL in speed.
10-12-2001, 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KMaxGXE-R
hey where's your Maxima spirit?! To all of those Maxima owners I say you smoke any stock Accord day or night, they're slow-*** cars.
My personal experience: my 5spd GXE and an auto V6 Accord w5K miles on it. I pulled on him so hard from the stop, like 3 cars at once.
hey where's your Maxima spirit?! To all of those Maxima owners I say you smoke any stock Accord day or night, they're slow-*** cars.
My personal experience: my 5spd GXE and an auto V6 Accord w5K miles on it. I pulled on him so hard from the stop, like 3 cars at once.
A 5spd Max will smoke an autotragic Max just the same.
Originally posted by Y2KMaxGXE-R
If you got an auto, whatta hell, you gain 2 cars on him. Auto 5th gen Max is comparable to 3.2 TL in speed.
If you got an auto, whatta hell, you gain 2 cars on him. Auto 5th gen Max is comparable to 3.2 TL in speed.
10-12-2001, 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Well see the whole thing is Nissan's retardedness and their crappy short-shifting "autotragic" tranny. The sucker shifts at 5900rpm on you when redline is at 6500 and peak horsepower is at 6400rpm. You never get the full potential out of the car unless you manually shift to avoid the short shifting.
That's really stupid if you ask me, and this is one of the reasons why I didn't buy a Maxima, but an Accord V6 instead. I think it's almost grounds for a lawsuit if the standard programming on the tranny never takes it up to the full 222HP but rather maybe only 200 or so. What a gip.
Well see the whole thing is Nissan's retardedness and their crappy short-shifting "autotragic" tranny. The sucker shifts at 5900rpm on you when redline is at 6500 and peak horsepower is at 6400rpm. You never get the full potential out of the car unless you manually shift to avoid the short shifting.
That's really stupid if you ask me, and this is one of the reasons why I didn't buy a Maxima, but an Accord V6 instead. I think it's almost grounds for a lawsuit if the standard programming on the tranny never takes it up to the full 222HP but rather maybe only 200 or so. What a gip.
10-12-2001, 09:15 PM
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Re: How dare you !
Originally posted by CoolMax
Who do you think you are...MAximas always win!:rolleyes
Who do you think you are...MAximas always win!
:rolleyes
Sorry, my brain consistently overpowers my ego and doesn't allow me to make blanket statements like that
10-12-2001, 09:21 PM
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Don't race him. Ur wasting ur time. Our automagics are mich slower than those V6 coupes. My last car was a 2000 Accord V6 coupe. Way faster than my Max. Even with my y-pipe and intake. The Accord will pull to red-line significantly quiker. Still, I would not trade my Max for the Accord again.
10-12-2001, 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by rubman
Don't race him. Ur wasting ur time. Our automagics are mich slower than those V6 coupes. My last car was a 2000 Accord V6 coupe. Way faster than my Max. Even with my y-pipe and intake. The Accord will pull to red-line significantly quiker. Still, I would not trade my Max for the Accord again.
Don't race him. Ur wasting ur time. Our automagics are mich slower than those V6 coupes. My last car was a 2000 Accord V6 coupe. Way faster than my Max. Even with my y-pipe and intake. The Accord will pull to red-line significantly quiker. Still, I would not trade my Max for the Accord again.
10-12-2001, 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by nc00max
You might wanna take your Maxima in for a checkup or to get it dynoed to see what kind of hp you're making. Having owned an '98 Accord LXV6 Sedan and my auto Maxima, there's no way that Accord would blow away the Maxima in it's stock form. They're pretty much neck and neck when the Max is left in D, but like everyone has been saying, manually shifting will give the Max back it's 22hp advantage and make the race pretty one-sided. From my own experiences with the couple of V6 Accords I raced before I had any mods, or knew about torque braking or manually shifting (basically before I found Maxima.org one day...), I was still able to edge them out to 60 and after that it wasn't much of a contest. When I had my Accord, I was dead even with 4G Max's and even got edged out by a couple of those. As far as getting beat by one with your intake and y-pipe on, you would really have to have something wrong with your car to lose with a 40hp advantage, early shifting or not.
You might wanna take your Maxima in for a checkup or to get it dynoed to see what kind of hp you're making. Having owned an '98 Accord LXV6 Sedan and my auto Maxima, there's no way that Accord would blow away the Maxima in it's stock form. They're pretty much neck and neck when the Max is left in D, but like everyone has been saying, manually shifting will give the Max back it's 22hp advantage and make the race pretty one-sided. From my own experiences with the couple of V6 Accords I raced before I had any mods, or knew about torque braking or manually shifting (basically before I found Maxima.org one day...), I was still able to edge them out to 60 and after that it wasn't much of a contest. When I had my Accord, I was dead even with 4G Max's and even got edged out by a couple of those. As far as getting beat by one with your intake and y-pipe on, you would really have to have something wrong with your car to lose with a 40hp advantage, early shifting or not.
How about explaining a newbie Max brother how to manually shift his Max so that he can post some kills asap?
10-12-2001, 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by rubman
Since you seem to be familiar with manually shifting an automagic Max.
How about explaining a newbie Max brother how to manually shift his Max so that he can post some kills asap?
Since you seem to be familiar with manually shifting an automagic Max.
How about explaining a newbie Max brother how to manually shift his Max so that he can post some kills asap?
10-12-2001, 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by rubman
Since you seem to be familiar with manually shifting an automagic Max.
How about explaining a newbie Max brother how to manually shift his Max so that he can post some kills asap?
Since you seem to be familiar with manually shifting an automagic Max.
How about explaining a newbie Max brother how to manually shift his Max so that he can post some kills asap?
10-12-2001, 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by mzmtg
You put your foot on the brake and gas at the same time. Then when its time to go, you take your foot off the brake and then slowly roll away wishing you had a five speed.
Experiment...
You put your foot on the brake and gas at the same time. Then when its time to go, you take your foot off the brake and then slowly roll away wishing you had a five speed.
Experiment...
10-12-2001, 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
start out with the shifter in 1st gear, but to avoid bouncing off of the rev limiter you'll actually need to shift at like 6100rpm or so because the shift isn't instantaneous. I think doing that will get the shift in right at redline and you should be good to go.
start out with the shifter in 1st gear, but to avoid bouncing off of the rev limiter you'll actually need to shift at like 6100rpm or so because the shift isn't instantaneous. I think doing that will get the shift in right at redline and you should be good to go.
10-12-2001, 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by annimax
I hate to admit it but I had no idea an Accord could hang with a Max.
I'm glad I read this thread.
I hate to admit it but I had no idea an Accord could hang with a Max.
I'm glad I read this thread.
10-13-2001, 03:14 AM
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Friend is still talking smack. Guess he's all talk and no action. I'm used to manually shifting to 6000rpms(just so i dont hit the rev limiter) and torque braking ever since i've seen a friend do it on his 99 I30. Even got good enough at it to beat him(he abuses his car a lot so maybe that can explain why). Only if my friend would step up to the plate and race me.
10-13-2001, 10:01 AM
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well we had this race, 97 Camry V6 auto w/80K miles on it, '01 Accord LX v6 sedan (5k mi), and me (2K GXE 5spd 15K mi).
We all know that Camrys are slow. But it blew by that new Accord like you wouldnt believe. Of course, I was da man of that evenin' by killin a TL later on..To all of you, GTP and VTEC lovers, we drive Maximas.
We all know that Camrys are slow. But it blew by that new Accord like you wouldnt believe. Of course, I was da man of that evenin' by killin a TL later on..To all of you, GTP and VTEC lovers, we drive Maximas.
10-13-2001, 03:24 PM
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Lots of different experiences here. It is safe to say no 2 cars, even if the same year or mods, is going to be the same. But a stock A/T Max should be able to take a Accord coupe. As for modded Max automagics... don't know about everyone else, but I can hang and sometimes beat Mustang 5.0s, E36 BMW M3s and Acura Type-Ss... depending on the driver... don't tell the Type-S guys this, or they will be back here *****ing again!
10-14-2001, 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Well see the whole thing is Nissan's retardedness and their crappy short-shifting "autotragic" tranny. The sucker shifts at 5900rpm on you when redline is at 6500 and peak horsepower is at 6400rpm. You never get the full potential out of the car unless you manually shift to avoid the short shifting.
That's really stupid if you ask me, and this is one of the reasons why I didn't buy a Maxima, but an Accord V6 instead. I think it's almost grounds for a lawsuit if the standard programming on the tranny never takes it up to the full 222HP but rather maybe only 200 or so. What a gip.
In the Accord V6 the tranny shifts right at redline for us so we don't have to worry about crap like this when racing.
As for brake-torquing, yes, it does put a pretty hefty load on the transmission, and yes, it can be bad for it. You don't want to do it for more than a few seconds or else you can overheat your transmission, and heat is the #1 cause of auto tranny failure. If you drive in a spirited fashion, or you're going to be racing/brake-torquing a lot then I would strongly recommend getting a Transmission cooler to help prevent heat buildup.
Go ahead and race your buddy with the Accord V6. If you don't power-shift you'll probably only be even with him and it could go either way, but power-shifting (manually shifting) at redline and thus bypassing the short-shift should allow you to edge him out, assuming you both launch equally well.
One tip that the guys here will tell you is that you need to practice your shift timing. i.e. start out with the shifter in 1st gear, but to avoid bouncing off of the rev limiter you'll actually need to shift at like 6100rpm or so because the shift isn't instantaneous. I think doing that will get the shift in right at redline and you should be good to go.
Well see the whole thing is Nissan's retardedness and their crappy short-shifting "autotragic" tranny. The sucker shifts at 5900rpm on you when redline is at 6500 and peak horsepower is at 6400rpm. You never get the full potential out of the car unless you manually shift to avoid the short shifting.
That's really stupid if you ask me, and this is one of the reasons why I didn't buy a Maxima, but an Accord V6 instead. I think it's almost grounds for a lawsuit if the standard programming on the tranny never takes it up to the full 222HP but rather maybe only 200 or so. What a gip.
In the Accord V6 the tranny shifts right at redline for us so we don't have to worry about crap like this when racing.
As for brake-torquing, yes, it does put a pretty hefty load on the transmission, and yes, it can be bad for it. You don't want to do it for more than a few seconds or else you can overheat your transmission, and heat is the #1 cause of auto tranny failure. If you drive in a spirited fashion, or you're going to be racing/brake-torquing a lot then I would strongly recommend getting a Transmission cooler to help prevent heat buildup.
Go ahead and race your buddy with the Accord V6. If you don't power-shift you'll probably only be even with him and it could go either way, but power-shifting (manually shifting) at redline and thus bypassing the short-shift should allow you to edge him out, assuming you both launch equally well.
One tip that the guys here will tell you is that you need to practice your shift timing. i.e. start out with the shifter in 1st gear, but to avoid bouncing off of the rev limiter you'll actually need to shift at like 6100rpm or so because the shift isn't instantaneous. I think doing that will get the shift in right at redline and you should be good to go.
10-14-2001, 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KMaxGXE-R
hey where's your Maxima spirit?! To all of those Maxima owners I say you smoke any stock Accord day or night, they're slow-*** cars.
My personal experience: my 5spd GXE and an auto V6 Accord w5K miles on it. I pulled on him so hard from the stop, like 3 cars at once. If you got an auto, whatta hell, you gain 2 cars on him. Auto 5th gen Max is comparable to 3.2 TL in speed.
hey where's your Maxima spirit?! To all of those Maxima owners I say you smoke any stock Accord day or night, they're slow-*** cars.
My personal experience: my 5spd GXE and an auto V6 Accord w5K miles on it. I pulled on him so hard from the stop, like 3 cars at once. If you got an auto, whatta hell, you gain 2 cars on him. Auto 5th gen Max is comparable to 3.2 TL in speed.
10-14-2001, 06:10 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
where does yours shift at? Mine shifts 6000-6200 consistently [/QUOTE
Yeah,,mine shifts around 6200-6300 consistently too..so what's all this talk about shifting at 5900rpm???
I think those who shifts at 5900rpm should really get their cars checked by nissan(if they are willing to update with the newest TCM and other stuff) check TSB on top of this page.
And for beating an auto accord, dont know why there is such a discussion about it...auto max will kill an accord modded or not easy..especially on top end when our intake switches runner,,it's a bye bye for them maybe modded accord(with comptech header, AEM cold air, full catback exhaust) VS. stock auto max..the modded accord will probably edge out by a little. (like my friend's car)..but once i got all the mods below..it's bye bye for them again regardless of what they do...unless they get custom SC system so they can blow up their weak auto tranny...
where does yours shift at? Mine shifts 6000-6200 consistently [/QUOTEYeah,,mine shifts around 6200-6300 consistently too..so what's all this talk about shifting at 5900rpm???
I think those who shifts at 5900rpm should really get their cars checked by nissan(if they are willing to update with the newest TCM and other stuff) check TSB on top of this page.
And for beating an auto accord, dont know why there is such a discussion about it...auto max will kill an accord modded or not easy..especially on top end when our intake switches runner,,it's a bye bye for them
maybe modded accord(with comptech header, AEM cold air, full catback exhaust) VS. stock auto max..the modded accord will probably edge out by a little. (like my friend's car)..but once i got all the mods below..it's bye bye for them again regardless of what they do...unless they get custom SC system so they can blow up their weak auto tranny...
10-14-2001, 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by nc00max
Well, I've found the best rpms to go from 1st to 2nd is right at 5900, cause it takes the tranny that long to shift. That should bring you all the way up to 6600. If ya haven't done it before, you might wanna try shifting at 5800 or so so you don't hit the rev limiter until you get used to it. As far as 2-3 goes, I usually bump it up to D at 6300-6400 and it hits redline without hitting the limiter pretty nicely. You can feel a big difference in the top of the gear you're in as well as the next gear seeming to take up quicker. It kinda helps to keep the rpms up higher in the powerband too. Not as good as a 5spd, but at least it's something. And don't forget your brake torque either, cause that helps your launch quite a bit.
Well, I've found the best rpms to go from 1st to 2nd is right at 5900, cause it takes the tranny that long to shift. That should bring you all the way up to 6600. If ya haven't done it before, you might wanna try shifting at 5800 or so so you don't hit the rev limiter until you get used to it. As far as 2-3 goes, I usually bump it up to D at 6300-6400 and it hits redline without hitting the limiter pretty nicely. You can feel a big difference in the top of the gear you're in as well as the next gear seeming to take up quicker. It kinda helps to keep the rpms up higher in the powerband too. Not as good as a 5spd, but at least it's something. And don't forget your brake torque either, cause that helps your launch quite a bit.
Thanks for the tip, as soon as my car comes out of the shop(getting clear side markers, 02 tails, mud guards done) I will try it out. Again, thanks.
10-15-2001, 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by Ludacris
Auto Maxes are slow...from a stop V6 Camrys, Accords, Tauruses, Impalas...they can all hang with us
Auto Maxes are slow...from a stop V6 Camrys, Accords, Tauruses, Impalas...they can all hang with us