awsker

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I'm going to reace against one of my friends who has a BMW 330ci 5-speed in a couple weeks. I think I'm gonna get woooped cuz I drive an automagic....do you guys agree? (both are stock)

Burton069

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yeah ur done

Vyrus

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I'm already looking for his kill on E46Fanatics.com Forum. Those 330CIs are MURDERERS (Something like 6.0 sec 0-60)...
-Cyrus

UMD_MaxSE

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good luck, because you will need it for it to be even close. Sure you want to race him?

awsker

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0-60 in 5.9 seconds ...damn I wish I had a 2K2 Maxima

MichaelAE

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The 330Ci at 6.0 seconds? That doesn't sound right. That's a 3.0L I-6 with 225hp stock @ 5900. Weight is pretty similar to a 5th gen SE...just over 3200 lbs which is side-by-side with the SE. You're dead as an automatic, but it shouldn't be a slaughter. Is it a convertible? That's an extra 400lbs for him if it is.

Now typing after a few second thought...its a RWD isn't it? Ohh....so, not sure any more.

mattattax

my 2k2 auto has consistently beat 330Cis my friend has one (2k1-5sp.)and we've established that my max is faster--he kills me @ 0-60 but around 75 the story changes, i can understand losing by a little but definitly not by more than 1.25 cars-- & no i don't manual my auto

good luck anyways

MichaelAE

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As a follow-up. I have a buddy with a 330Ci-C which I've been hoping to go to the track with sometime soon. Its a 5-speed, but his convertible outweighs me by 400 lbs. and I have a tiny bit more power (theoretically) so I'm hoping I can take him despite the RWD. Who knows. Maybe I'll wait until I manage to get a Y-Pipe on.

awsker

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Yeah, I want to see how bad it'll be....maybe after I mod my Max I'll race him again to see how much of an improvement the mods have done.

dmbmaxima2k2

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it's gonna take a lot more than bolt ons to catch a 2k1 330CI. if you were a 5-spd you might have a chance with bolt on's but your gonna get wasted unless you get some NOS.

soundmike

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I don't know about the 2k1 but i've beat 330ci's a couple of times. The first one i beat twice. I don't know if it was a manual or auto.

At launch he got me but i was able to catch up. By 2nd we were even. At 3rd i pulled around a car ahead before we both had to stop for the lights up ahead.

The second time i raced a 330ci it was an even match at 1 and 2. But at 3 i passed him again. Probably 1 or 1 1/2 car lengths.

This is on an auto. No manual shifting either.

dmbmaxima2k2

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it must have been an auto 330 they are FAST cars.

mattattax

it IS possible that it was a 5 sp.--my 2k2 auto max has a car and a half (1/4) on my friends 2k1 330ci 5 sp.--on the other hand i've never beat him from 0-60

soundmike

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WTG Matt!

I guess based on dmbmax's phrase i should rephrase it to:

"it must have been an auto Max they are FAST-ER cars."

dmbmaxima2k2

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i won't believe that an auto 2k2 can beat a 2k1 5-spd 330CI, unless i see it happen.

irvine78

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which one is it? ur saying urs is auto and then both are stick?
if you have a manual tranny, u'd be close given that you are a very good driver, if you have an automagic...forget about it..

rubman

I suggest you get ready to lose, everyone will easily agree, if his is a 5-speed, and yours an automagic(like mine), you will get killed. However, if you race an E36,(I've done it many a times ha-ha), you'll kick some serious ***. Have fun.

DAVEB

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There's a guy near the dealership with a A/T 330, we seem to leave work at the same time, I've run him a few times in my '00 5-speed SE. he seems to have a lot of low-end, I can hardly keep up at low speeds, but by 85 or so, I've got him by 1/2 a car length and pulling before traffic, etc intervenes. I don't think an stockish auto '00-'01 could hang. It would be interesting to run him with an open road!
Regards, David Burnette

mattattax

he's not the best driver as this is his first stick--are you in houston or austin (i may be going there this weekend)? we should try to meet sometime, i'd like to try to convince him to let you drive--i haven't driven it yet but can tell it really does have the low end pull--when he gains shiftin' experience he MAY take me in the 1/4 but never the 1/2--i find the car intriuging and really would like to race someone with more exp.--let me know if you get to h-town

PhatGuy

I ran a 330 all the way through third gear and he didn't pull on me at all and it was very close! I have a 2k1 5spd with intake and Y-pipe.

BriGuyMax

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MAX2000JP is back to stock right now...he has a 2000 5-speed SE and he took a 330 on the highway a week or so ago....they aren't that fast...

dmbmaxima2k2

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they are pretty fast, and so are maximas but what i'm saying is that i don't think a 2k2 auto can beat a 5-spd 330.

i•maxx

Jus go for what you know!!

BriGuyMax

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down the 1/4 mile, probably not...but on the highway I think the auto 2k2 would give a 5-speed 330 a run for it's money...remember the 5-speed 330 isn't really faster than an auto 330 from a roll...they have almost identical gearing as they both have 5 gears.

PhatGuy

Well to put things in perspective. Flipmode_cali (another .org member) ran a 2K2 Auto Max in his 2k1 5spd with bolt ons and only beat him by a car or two to 140. (this is what I remember from his post). He said he won but not by much.

PhatGuy

Found the link. Based on the date it would have been a 2K2 Auto and not a 6spd.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=66051

In other words it should be pretty even with a stock 330 vs a stock 2k2 auto Max on a highway roll. The Max might have the edge.

awsker

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160HP WTF!! Damn, that's not what I paid for

awsker

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What I meant by stock is that they don't have any mods.

CoolMax

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I've seen some nice times for a stock 330xi:
5.7seconds from 0 to 60mph.
14.7seconds in the 1/4mi.

With bolt-ons and a 5-speed, what Phatguy did is completely feasible...of course, it'd help if he had the video to prove it.

PhatGuy

Well #1 that is a AWD car you are quoting numbers on. That being the case would give it excellent 60' times and even the rwd 330 gets better lauches and 60' than a Max. #2 my encounter was on a roll from about 65 to 95. So 1/4 and 0-60 times really are not applicable in that case. #3 I would put my car up against any stock 330 on a highway roll without a doubt. #4 I don't go racing around and my encounters are just day to day street battles going to work and back etc. So I really don't have time nor the skill to go cruising with a video camera in my hand, driving WOT in a manual 5spd car.

MAX2000JP

I have both a 2001 330i steptronic and it will take my Maxima with mods on it. I highly doubt that a stock 2k2 Maxima auto can even stand a chance against a lighter 330ci 5 speed. The 330i is a quick car up top.

HulaMAX

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I don't think you'll have a chance, but since it's a friendly race...it'll be nice to find out the outcome.

SFMax20SE

I've raced 2 330cis so far with my mods. One was auto, the other was a stick. Both times netted the same results.
Off the line - dead even up to 2nd gear. Once I get into 3rd, I will start pulling. By 120mph, I am 1 to 1 1/2 cars ahead.
Go ahead and race him! And please post your results!!!

awsker

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You got a sweet ride...do you anywhere in the bay area where I can get the clear side markers (front & back) at a low price ?

SFMax20SE

Thanx!
I ordered mine from http://www.courtesyparts.com/
I wasn't able to find anyone that had them in stock in the bay area

UMD_MaxSE

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also try: www.custommaxima.com

2k2se6spd

I know that manufacturer numbers are just that - numbers - that can be low or high, but I have seen the 330CI rated at 5.9 for the 0-60 and the 330XI (AWD) rated at 5.7 in the October C&D where it goes up against a WRX and an S4.
My point is this: These 3 liter BMWs are rated at 225 hp and 214 T, which are not earth-shattering numbers for 3285 and 3525 pound cars. Again, they may be under-rated, but it would have to be by a large margin to support these 0-60 times. Of course, in the October C&D comparo, the WRX clocked in at a 5.4s time for the 0-60, which is unbelievably low as well. Maybe there was magic in the air, but the 330IX doing a 5.7s sprint to 60mph with only that 3 liter engine and 3525 pounds to haul around seems lucky.
As we know, a very good indicator of performance is the power-to-weight ratio, or pounds per HP.
The WRX is rated at 13.59, the 330CI at 14.60, the 330XI at 15.67 and the 2K2 Maxima at 12.64 pounds per HP, with lower numbers being better. Yes, take into effect gearing, aerodynamics, auto tranny losses, rear/all wheel drive, etc. But still, something to think about. Hmmm.......
I have raced 330CI BMWs on the road with my 99 Contour SVT (15.35 lbs./HP) and we were very close every time, under 100 MPH. I am a very good shifter, but still. I think that these numbers published for the cars have been a little lucky compared to real world stats.

AznWontonboy

Bmws have excellent gearing. End of story. Keeps those heavy Bmws with little HP on par with higher HP cars.

UMD_MaxSE

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don't forget RWD

dmbmaxima2k2

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but once you get on the highway it's more about RAW HP, then gearing, then weight. that's the reason why a BMW 850CSI take almost 7 seconds to 60 but it will rape a M5 on the highway, on the highway weight is less and HP is the determining factor. assuming one car isn't a moving rectangle.