2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
11-29-2001, 07:48 PM
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2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
11-29-2001, 10:55 PM
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Re: 2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Originally posted by ABS
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
11-29-2001, 11:03 PM
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Re: 2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Originally posted by ABS
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
11-29-2001, 11:43 PM
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Re: Re: 2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Originally posted by Michael98033
Actually, the sway bar will tie up the two rear trailer arms and will not be connected to the axle itself.
Actually, the sway bar will tie up the two rear trailer arms and will not be connected to the axle itself.
I think that is only true for the Stillen bar, it looks like the Addco connects to the dead axle with two large U-shaped brackets and two coinciding polyeurethane bushings.
I still don't get it though. On my old Civic, the sway bar made perfect sense in that it connected two independantly moving lower control arms. It also worked really well. On the Maxima, it would appear that the trailing arms already have an "anti-sway bar" attached - in the form of a dead axle welded to each of them. Please help me to understand what this sway bar is doing. I just can't seem to make any sense of it . . . am I missing something here?
11-30-2001, 03:38 AM
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The existing beam axle welded to the trailing arms acts as a sway bar by resisting twist. You could increase roll resistance by stiffening that beam but that is a little difficult so the aftermarket swaybars work in parallel with that beam, tying the trailing arms together and adding twist resistance.
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11-30-2001, 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by emax95
The RSB works very well so just leave it at that. I am going to install a RSB on my 02 tomarrow if the weather permits.
The RSB works very well so just leave it at that. I am going to install a RSB on my 02 tomarrow if the weather permits.
11-30-2001, 03:32 PM
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Must be a Torsion Bar
Ok I was talking with a car buff at work and we think we've figured it out . . . the trailing arms are connected to a "torsion bar" which is located in the center of the rear beam axle. When an anti-sway bar is added, it must act like a second torsion bar, thereby creating much more "torsion" in the entire rear suspension. I think the torsion bar is the 1" wide bar running through the center of the rear beam and is visible from below the car. Can anyone verify that this is true?
11-30-2001, 03:43 PM
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Re: Re: Re: 2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Originally posted by dmbmaxima88
have fun it aint easy. make sure you watch out for that new multilink. it has to be way up or it clanks BAD. ask MattC. took me 1.5 hours to fix it.
have fun it aint easy. make sure you watch out for that new multilink. it has to be way up or it clanks BAD. ask MattC. took me 1.5 hours to fix it.
11-30-2001, 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Flash2k2
Care to elaborate?? stillen or addco RSB??
Care to elaborate?? stillen or addco RSB??
11-30-2001, 06:43 PM
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Re: Must be a Torsion Bar
Originally posted by ABS
Ok I was talking with a car buff at work and we think we've figured it out . . . the trailing arms are connected to a "torsion bar" which is located in the center of the rear beam axle. When an anti-sway bar is added, it must act like a second torsion bar, thereby creating much more "torsion" in the entire rear suspension. I think the torsion bar is the 1" wide bar running through the center of the rear beam and is visible from below the car. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Ok I was talking with a car buff at work and we think we've figured it out . . . the trailing arms are connected to a "torsion bar" which is located in the center of the rear beam axle. When an anti-sway bar is added, it must act like a second torsion bar, thereby creating much more "torsion" in the entire rear suspension. I think the torsion bar is the 1" wide bar running through the center of the rear beam and is visible from below the car. Can anyone verify that this is true?
I don't think it's a torsion bar. Torsion bars used in suspensions are made to act like the spring. The Max has rear coil springs, so that center bar is not a torsion bar.
Nissan claims to have a rear anti-roll(aka. anti-sway) bar. But in the true sense, it doesn't. Nissan would like to claim that it's 'integrated' into the rear beam design, which it is.
As you stated before, the car has two trailing links that are welded to the beam. If removed from the car, it would look like your standard sway bar, and it acts like one.
So now we're left 2 possibilities as to why adding an aftermarket sway bar would make any difference if the rear beam is essentially one big-*** sway bar. Either the trailing arms are flexing or the center beam is twisting.
The trailing arms are really thin in cross section, but are tall in the vertical plane. While it is possible that they could flex, I doubt that the flex would be much since the arms are relatively short.
The center beam is triangulated in shape, but the bottom is open. My guess is that this beam is the culprit. The open bottom allows the beam to twist (perhaps too easily??) so that during cornering, the center twisting allows one trailing arm mounting point to be higher than the other.
To minimize the twisting forces in the beam, you can do one of 2 things, add an aftermarket sway bar or weld steel plate to the entire underside of the beam, thus fully triangulating the beam. I think it would be cheaper and easier to add the bar.
Any other guesses out there?
11-30-2001, 09:24 PM
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Re: Re: Must be a Torsion Bar
Originally posted by mhgsx
Ok I'll take a crack at it.
I don't think it's a torsion bar. Torsion bars used in suspensions are made to act like the spring. The Max has rear coil springs, so that center bar is not a torsion bar.
Nissan claims to have a rear anti-roll(aka. anti-sway) bar. But in the true sense, it doesn't. Nissan would like to claim that it's 'integrated' into the rear beam design, which it is.
As you stated before, the car has two trailing links that are welded to the beam. If removed from the car, it would look like your standard sway bar, and it acts like one.
So now we're left 2 possibilities as to why adding an aftermarket sway bar would make any difference if the rear beam is essentially one big-*** sway bar. Either the trailing arms are flexing or the center beam is twisting.
The trailing arms are really thin in cross section, but are tall in the vertical plane. While it is possible that they could flex, I doubt that the flex would be much since the arms are relatively short.
The center beam is triangulated in shape, but the bottom is open. My guess is that this beam is the culprit. The open bottom allows the beam to twist (perhaps too easily??) so that during cornering, the center twisting allows one trailing arm mounting point to be higher than the other.
To minimize the twisting forces in the beam, you can do one of 2 things, add an aftermarket sway bar or weld steel plate to the entire underside of the beam, thus fully triangulating the beam. I think it would be cheaper and easier to add the bar.
Any other guesses out there?
Ok I'll take a crack at it.
I don't think it's a torsion bar. Torsion bars used in suspensions are made to act like the spring. The Max has rear coil springs, so that center bar is not a torsion bar.
Nissan claims to have a rear anti-roll(aka. anti-sway) bar. But in the true sense, it doesn't. Nissan would like to claim that it's 'integrated' into the rear beam design, which it is.
As you stated before, the car has two trailing links that are welded to the beam. If removed from the car, it would look like your standard sway bar, and it acts like one.
So now we're left 2 possibilities as to why adding an aftermarket sway bar would make any difference if the rear beam is essentially one big-*** sway bar. Either the trailing arms are flexing or the center beam is twisting.
The trailing arms are really thin in cross section, but are tall in the vertical plane. While it is possible that they could flex, I doubt that the flex would be much since the arms are relatively short.
The center beam is triangulated in shape, but the bottom is open. My guess is that this beam is the culprit. The open bottom allows the beam to twist (perhaps too easily??) so that during cornering, the center twisting allows one trailing arm mounting point to be higher than the other.
To minimize the twisting forces in the beam, you can do one of 2 things, add an aftermarket sway bar or weld steel plate to the entire underside of the beam, thus fully triangulating the beam. I think it would be cheaper and easier to add the bar.
Any other guesses out there?
Also, the Stillen bar doesn't appear to mount onto the beam whereas the Addco bar does. If you are right and it is the beam that's twisting, then what difference in performance should we expect to see for each of these mounting methods for the two bars?
12-01-2001, 05:55 AM
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Re: Must be a Torsion Bar
Originally posted by ABS
Ok I was talking with a car buff at work and we think we've figured it out . . . the trailing arms are connected to a "torsion bar" which is located in the center of the rear beam axle. When an anti-sway bar is added, it must act like a second torsion bar, thereby creating much more "torsion" in the entire rear suspension. I think the torsion bar is the 1" wide bar running through the center of the rear beam and is visible from below the car. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Ok I was talking with a car buff at work and we think we've figured it out . . . the trailing arms are connected to a "torsion bar" which is located in the center of the rear beam axle. When an anti-sway bar is added, it must act like a second torsion bar, thereby creating much more "torsion" in the entire rear suspension. I think the torsion bar is the 1" wide bar running through the center of the rear beam and is visible from below the car. Can anyone verify that this is true?
12-01-2001, 05:56 AM
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Re: Re: Must be a Torsion Bar
Originally posted by mhgsx
Ok I'll take a crack at it.
I don't think it's a torsion bar. Torsion bars used in suspensions are made to act like the spring. The Max has rear coil springs, so that center bar is not a torsion bar.
Nissan claims to have a rear anti-roll(aka. anti-sway) bar. But in the true sense, it doesn't. Nissan would like to claim that it's 'integrated' into the rear beam design, which it is.
As you stated before, the car has two trailing links that are welded to the beam. If removed from the car, it would look like your standard sway bar, and it acts like one.
So now we're left 2 possibilities as to why adding an aftermarket sway bar would make any difference if the rear beam is essentially one big-*** sway bar. Either the trailing arms are flexing or the center beam is twisting.
The trailing arms are really thin in cross section, but are tall in the vertical plane. While it is possible that they could flex, I doubt that the flex would be much since the arms are relatively short.
The center beam is triangulated in shape, but the bottom is open. My guess is that this beam is the culprit. The open bottom allows the beam to twist (perhaps too easily??) so that during cornering, the center twisting allows one trailing arm mounting point to be higher than the other.
To minimize the twisting forces in the beam, you can do one of 2 things, add an aftermarket sway bar or weld steel plate to the entire underside of the beam, thus fully triangulating the beam. I think it would be cheaper and easier to add the bar.
Any other guesses out there?
Ok I'll take a crack at it.
I don't think it's a torsion bar. Torsion bars used in suspensions are made to act like the spring. The Max has rear coil springs, so that center bar is not a torsion bar.
Nissan claims to have a rear anti-roll(aka. anti-sway) bar. But in the true sense, it doesn't. Nissan would like to claim that it's 'integrated' into the rear beam design, which it is.
As you stated before, the car has two trailing links that are welded to the beam. If removed from the car, it would look like your standard sway bar, and it acts like one.
So now we're left 2 possibilities as to why adding an aftermarket sway bar would make any difference if the rear beam is essentially one big-*** sway bar. Either the trailing arms are flexing or the center beam is twisting.
The trailing arms are really thin in cross section, but are tall in the vertical plane. While it is possible that they could flex, I doubt that the flex would be much since the arms are relatively short.
The center beam is triangulated in shape, but the bottom is open. My guess is that this beam is the culprit. The open bottom allows the beam to twist (perhaps too easily??) so that during cornering, the center twisting allows one trailing arm mounting point to be higher than the other.
To minimize the twisting forces in the beam, you can do one of 2 things, add an aftermarket sway bar or weld steel plate to the entire underside of the beam, thus fully triangulating the beam. I think it would be cheaper and easier to add the bar.
Any other guesses out there?
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12-01-2001, 06:00 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Must be a Torsion Bar
Originally posted by ABS
I think you are definitely onto something here. But now the question remains, which part of the axle is resisting the twist, is it the part which is arc'd or is it the straight steel bar running through the center of the arc (when viewed from below)?
Also, the Stillen bar doesn't appear to mount onto the beam whereas the Addco bar does. If you are right and it is the beam that's twisting, then what difference in performance should we expect to see for each of these mounting methods for the two bars?
I think you are definitely onto something here. But now the question remains, which part of the axle is resisting the twist, is it the part which is arc'd or is it the straight steel bar running through the center of the arc (when viewed from below)?
Also, the Stillen bar doesn't appear to mount onto the beam whereas the Addco bar does. If you are right and it is the beam that's twisting, then what difference in performance should we expect to see for each of these mounting methods for the two bars?
q2 - the only real difference is the look and any difference in diameter - functionally the Addco and Stealin work the same.
12-01-2001, 06:31 AM
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The rear sway bar and the existing bar in the rear axle ARE torsion bars. A torsion bar is any suspension bar that acts through resistance to twist in order to control some kind of mechanical motion. Every sway bar works that way and thus resists the motion of one trailing arm when it varies from the motion of the other.
When a torsion bar is run forward and backward and used to control the motion of a suspension control arm, then it is acting as a spring. This can be seen in some Porsche and Alfa Romeo designs. A torsion bar can do any number of things (even hold a hood up) it is simply a bar in twist.
When a torsion bar is run forward and backward and used to control the motion of a suspension control arm, then it is acting as a spring. This can be seen in some Porsche and Alfa Romeo designs. A torsion bar can do any number of things (even hold a hood up) it is simply a bar in twist.
12-01-2001, 02:22 PM
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Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
I'm glad we figured all this information out. Now that I'm understanding the mechanism better, I have a few new but related questions:
Both the Stillen and Addco bars are adjustable, but does any one know which bar is stiffer to begin with (i.e. more torsion)?
Also, which bar is the most adjustable in terms of both the least and the most oversteer benefit?
Does the fact that the Addco bar needs to have its dead axle mounts moved inward (towards the center of the axle) impact its performance in any significant way?
All of these considerations might be important if careful adjustment of the bar is desired by the driver to avoid excessive oversteer.
Both the Stillen and Addco bars are adjustable, but does any one know which bar is stiffer to begin with (i.e. more torsion)?
Also, which bar is the most adjustable in terms of both the least and the most oversteer benefit?
Does the fact that the Addco bar needs to have its dead axle mounts moved inward (towards the center of the axle) impact its performance in any significant way?
All of these considerations might be important if careful adjustment of the bar is desired by the driver to avoid excessive oversteer.
12-01-2001, 05:50 PM
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Re: 2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Check out the following link:
http://www.se-r.net/about/g20/scc/oct98/tb.html
The article is about the G20, and written in 1998, but it is our multi-link rear beam all the same (except the transverse link has been moved aft of the beam). Describes pretty well how it works. It's pretty hard for me to grasp, but it appears to me that the Stillen and the Addco sway bars work basically by adding it's stiffness to that of the torsion bar already their.
BuddyWh
http://www.se-r.net/about/g20/scc/oct98/tb.html
The article is about the G20, and written in 1998, but it is our multi-link rear beam all the same (except the transverse link has been moved aft of the beam). Describes pretty well how it works. It's pretty hard for me to grasp, but it appears to me that the Stillen and the Addco sway bars work basically by adding it's stiffness to that of the torsion bar already their.
BuddyWh
Originally posted by ABS
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
Today I brought the car to the dealer service center for a few small warranty issues. While the car was up on the lift, I got a really good look at the rear axle and control arms. So now I'm really confused. The controls arms are solidly welded onto the rear axle. How will adding a sway bar that connects the two control arms and the rear axle together provide any benefit when the three parts are already welded together and therefore very solidly connected? I used to have sway bars on my Honda so I understand how they are supposed to work . . . I know I must be missing something here . . . any input would be apprecated.
12-01-2001, 06:43 PM
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Re: Re: 2K2 Rear Sway Bar Confusion????
Originally posted by BuddyWh
Check out the following link:
http://www.se-r.net/about/g20/scc/oct98/tb.html
The article is about the G20, and written in 1998, but it is our multi-link rear beam all the same (except the transverse link has been moved aft of the beam). Describes pretty well how it works. It's pretty hard for me to grasp, but it appears to me that the Stillen and the Addco sway bars work basically by adding it's stiffness to that of the torsion bar already their.
BuddyWh
Check out the following link:
http://www.se-r.net/about/g20/scc/oct98/tb.html
The article is about the G20, and written in 1998, but it is our multi-link rear beam all the same (except the transverse link has been moved aft of the beam). Describes pretty well how it works. It's pretty hard for me to grasp, but it appears to me that the Stillen and the Addco sway bars work basically by adding it's stiffness to that of the torsion bar already their.
BuddyWh
12-02-2001, 04:46 AM
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Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by ABS
I'm glad we figured all this information out. Now that I'm understanding the mechanism better, I have a few new but related questions:
Both the Stillen and Addco bars are adjustable, but does any one know which bar is stiffer to begin with (i.e. more torsion)?
Also, which bar is the most adjustable in terms of both the least and the most oversteer benefit?
Does the fact that the Addco bar needs to have its dead axle mounts moved inward (towards the center of the axle) impact its performance in any significant way?
All of these considerations might be important if careful adjustment of the bar is desired by the driver to avoid excessive oversteer.
I'm glad we figured all this information out. Now that I'm understanding the mechanism better, I have a few new but related questions:
Both the Stillen and Addco bars are adjustable, but does any one know which bar is stiffer to begin with (i.e. more torsion)?
Also, which bar is the most adjustable in terms of both the least and the most oversteer benefit?
Does the fact that the Addco bar needs to have its dead axle mounts moved inward (towards the center of the axle) impact its performance in any significant way?
All of these considerations might be important if careful adjustment of the bar is desired by the driver to avoid excessive oversteer.
07-20-2002, 10:53 PM
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I've certainly learned a lot about how the rear suspension on my Maxima works from this thread. The BIG question I have is: is the add-on rear sway bar worth installing?
I installed a FSTB but don't feel that it made a huge difference in the handling. I'd like to hear from people who have the aftermarket RSB installed.
Thanks,
Slo-Ryde
I installed a FSTB but don't feel that it made a huge difference in the handling. I'd like to hear from people who have the aftermarket RSB installed.
Thanks,
Slo-Ryde
07-20-2002, 10:58 PM
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You'll get as many opinions as respondants... for me the RSB was definitely worth it. I have noticed and appreciate it's contribution to the handling of the Max.
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Originally posted by slo-ryde
I've certainly learned a lot about how the rear suspension on my Maxima works from this thread. The BIG question I have is: is the add-on rear sway bar worth installing?
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I've certainly learned a lot about how the rear suspension on my Maxima works from this thread. The BIG question I have is: is the add-on rear sway bar worth installing?
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07-20-2002, 11:38 PM
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Re: Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by wdave
Don't worry - neither bar will give "excessive oversteer" no matter how it's adjusted. You just get less understeer. Moving the mounts of the Addco toward the center will soften it slightly. The forward mounts provide some adjustment but less than it appears because of brackets etc. on the trailing arms. The Stealin is designed to be adjustable but it seems everyone is happiest with it in it's stiffest position.
Don't worry - neither bar will give "excessive oversteer" no matter how it's adjusted. You just get less understeer. Moving the mounts of the Addco toward the center will soften it slightly. The forward mounts provide some adjustment but less than it appears because of brackets etc. on the trailing arms. The Stealin is designed to be adjustable but it seems everyone is happiest with it in it's stiffest position.
My car has a slight under steer problem now that I have installed the Addco RSB. Is hould ahve just left welle ough alone afetr I did the srpings. Now i'll need to *** the FSTB to stiffen the front.
07-21-2002, 08:19 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by SR20DEN
Umm... stiffening the back of the car actually gives you more understeer (aka less oversteer). Stiffening the front of the car gives you more oversteer (aka less understeer).
My car has a slight under steer problem now that I have installed the Addco RSB. Is hould ahve just left welle ough alone afetr I did the srpings. Now i'll need to *** the FSTB to stiffen the front.
Umm... stiffening the back of the car actually gives you more understeer (aka less oversteer). Stiffening the front of the car gives you more oversteer (aka less understeer).
My car has a slight under steer problem now that I have installed the Addco RSB. Is hould ahve just left welle ough alone afetr I did the srpings. Now i'll need to *** the FSTB to stiffen the front.
07-21-2002, 09:59 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by wdave
You have it quite backwards. You should go to Addco's site where thay have an explanation of what under and oversteer are and how various changes to the car will affect them.
You have it quite backwards. You should go to Addco's site where thay have an explanation of what under and oversteer are and how various changes to the car will affect them.
http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.html
07-21-2002, 01:36 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by SR20DEN
I know what the difference is. Adding a RSB is supposed to reduce the torsional grip of the rear tires and reduce body roll at the same time. It's the body roll that casues most of the problems. The 4th gen cars had alot of rear body roll. A quick snap of the steering wheel and the tail of the car would pop out. It's that same weight transfer that I was referring to as being oversteer.
http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.html
I know what the difference is. Adding a RSB is supposed to reduce the torsional grip of the rear tires and reduce body roll at the same time. It's the body roll that casues most of the problems. The 4th gen cars had alot of rear body roll. A quick snap of the steering wheel and the tail of the car would pop out. It's that same weight transfer that I was referring to as being oversteer.
http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.html
07-22-2002, 04:46 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by wdave
You have it quite backwards. You should go to Addco's site where thay have an explanation of what under and oversteer are and how various changes to the car will affect them.
You have it quite backwards. You should go to Addco's site where thay have an explanation of what under and oversteer are and how various changes to the car will affect them.
Adding the RSB or adding stiffer springs, or even adding stiffer struts/shocks in the rear, should help induce more oversteer. You could also pull out the FSB (front sway bar) and you would get more oversteer . . .
07-22-2002, 05:00 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stillen or Addco = More Torsion
Originally posted by ABS
WDAVE has it right, stiffening the rear adds oversteer up front where as stiffening the front adds understeer . . .
Adding the RSB or adding stiffer springs, or even adding stiffer struts/shocks in the rear, should help induce more oversteer. You could also pull out the FSB (front sway bar) and you would get more oversteer . . .
WDAVE has it right, stiffening the rear adds oversteer up front where as stiffening the front adds understeer . . .
Adding the RSB or adding stiffer springs, or even adding stiffer struts/shocks in the rear, should help induce more oversteer. You could also pull out the FSB (front sway bar) and you would get more oversteer . . .
), the SH model with its ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System....quasi-limited slip) actually had a smaller front sway bar than the non-ATTS base model. The reason, to reduce understeer and allow the ATTS to essentially 'pull' the car around. It was one of the few front drivers that could actually oversteer at will. Try taking the front sway bar off any car....oversteer city.
07-22-2002, 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by slo-ryde
I'd like to hear from people who have the aftermarket RSB installed.
Thanks,
Slo-Ryde
I'd like to hear from people who have the aftermarket RSB installed.
Thanks,
Slo-Ryde
Buzz
07-22-2002, 07:48 PM
#30
yea, with the rsb installed on my car I can take high speed turns much faster and I feel safe and balanced through out the turn without feeling the back of my car is going to slide outwards.
I used to squeel my tires whenever I took a sharp right at intersections, but not anymore with my fstb and rsb. On a avg, I can go on an average of 15-25 mph faster on freeway on/off ramps. Of course this all depends on the driver, things installed, and such.. but that's just for me.
I used to squeel my tires whenever I took a sharp right at intersections, but not anymore with my fstb and rsb. On a avg, I can go on an average of 15-25 mph faster on freeway on/off ramps. Of course this all depends on the driver, things installed, and such.. but that's just for me.
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