My ES project... Finally installed!...With pics!!!
10-13-2009, 03:54 PM
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My ES project... Finally installed!...With pics!!!
Finally installed all my suspension bushings!! What a PITFA!!! All the hard work is paying off. The Max handles awesome.
My suspension mods are:
ES sway bar bushings
Ft control arms
Rear trailing arms
FSTB
RSB
SFC
KSports
ES Motor mount & subframe bushings (not really suspension mods, but what the heck!!)
Here are the pics..I apologize for not having any before and during the progress pics. I did this while at work and did not have time to snap any photos.
Rear trailing arm bushings. This was a really treat!!
Had to drop the rear axle and saw off the old liquid filled garbage bushings. Pressing the new ones was easier than I thought.
My suspension mods are:
ES sway bar bushings
Ft control arms
Rear trailing arms
FSTB
RSB
SFC
KSports
ES Motor mount & subframe bushings (not really suspension mods, but what the heck!!)
Here are the pics..I apologize for not having any before and during the progress pics. I did this while at work and did not have time to snap any photos.
Rear trailing arm bushings. This was a really treat!!
Had to drop the rear axle and saw off the old liquid filled garbage bushings. Pressing the new ones was easier than I thought.
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Had to get one of the the SFCs!!! Probably the best suspension mod ever!!
Ft control arm bushings. Not as much of a pain as the rears, but still took about 2 hrs per side..
Ft control arm bushings. Not as much of a pain as the rears, but still took about 2 hrs per side..
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10-13-2009, 05:26 PM
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Congrats on the install by the way. notice a difference in handling/steering feel? Did you do this in stages?
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10-13-2009, 09:45 PM
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Ive heard mixed reviews on those. If there were just some consistent reviews on them I would be on that instantly. The problem is that everyone's suspension is in a different form of wear, and for some people theyre replacing crumbling bushings and others are replacing practically new ones, makes it pretty hard to gauge whether its the actual ES being great or just having a whole bushing in there
Congrats on the install by the way. notice a difference in handling/steering feel? Did you do this in stages?
Congrats on the install by the way. notice a difference in handling/steering feel? Did you do this in stages?
Here is the order in which I replaced them:
1. sub-frame & motor mounts
2. Control arms
3. rear trailing arms
4. sway bar & end links
To be honest, I could not feel any difference after I installed the trailing arms, which almost pissed me off a bit. Oh well!! And I almost didn't do the either.
If one has SFCs, then trailing arms are almost an overkill.
Auto Cross, here I come! It feels great to go around turns doing 60 MPH with no cab roll!!
From a local parts store. I got the parts at wholesale.
10-14-2009, 04:42 AM
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A long time ago. Did them at the same time as the "Free and Improved STS" mod. Wanted to shorten the height of the shifter at the time, but did not have the cojones to do it.
10-14-2009, 07:11 AM
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You know, I'm not a fan of most of the custom visuals on your car... paint, lettering and what-not. But I have to say the car itself is pretty incredible. It's clean, solid, and expertly modded with quality parts.
Very nice. Very respectable.
Very nice. Very respectable.
10-14-2009, 08:19 AM
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10-14-2009, 08:26 AM
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LOL..see those black bars welded under his car in that pic with those cross bars bolted together.. those are them.. SFC= Sub-Frame Connectors,.. and they do just that...
yeah,.. i kinda feel the same way.. i LOVE the black on the back with the SE tails.. it looks sick,.. and the blacked out headlights.. balences it out perfectly... awsome.. but i dont like the hood as much.. and i hate the blacked out line on the side,.. too much going on for me.. BUT,.. you can tell its well taken car of with top notch parts from someone who clearly knows what they are doing.. 
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? for ya.. how hard were the sway bar bushings? any details?..as well as the moog endlinks.. ive read where people needed to sawzall/drill theirs off sometimes...
You know, I'm not a fan of most of the custom visuals on your car... paint, lettering and what-not. But I have to say the car itself is pretty incredible. It's clean, solid, and expertly modded with quality parts.
Very nice. Very respectable.
Very nice. Very respectable.
: ? for ya.. how hard were the sway bar bushings? any details?..as well as the moog endlinks.. ive read where people needed to sawzall/drill theirs off sometimes...
10-14-2009, 08:38 AM
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LOL..see those black bars welded under his car in that pic with those cross bars bolted together.. those are them.. SFC= Sub-Frame Connectors,.. and they do just that...
yeah,.. i kinda feel the same way.. i LOVE the black on the back with the SE tails.. it looks sick,.. and the blacked out headlights.. balences it out perfectly... awsome.. but i dont like the hood as much.. and i hate the blacked out line on the side,.. too much going on for me.. BUT,.. you can tell its well taken car of with top notch parts from someone who clearly knows what they are doing..:
I am starting to dislike the side trim as well and I wish I would have followed the roof with the trunk lines. I think I see I project for the Spring...
? for ya.. how hard were the sway bar bushings? any details?..as well as the moog endlinks.. ive read where people needed to sawzall/drill theirs off sometimes...
yeah,.. i kinda feel the same way.. i LOVE the black on the back with the SE tails.. it looks sick,.. and the blacked out headlights.. balences it out perfectly... awsome.. but i dont like the hood as much.. and i hate the blacked out line on the side,.. too much going on for me.. BUT,.. you can tell its well taken car of with top notch parts from someone who clearly knows what they are doing..
: I am starting to dislike the side trim as well and I wish I would have followed the roof with the trunk lines. I think I see I project for the Spring...
? for ya.. how hard were the sway bar bushings? any details?..as well as the moog endlinks.. ive read where people needed to sawzall/drill theirs off sometimes...
For me, that install took about an hour. Thanks to the condition of my undercarriage, if you know what I mean.
10-14-2009, 09:08 AM
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Good finding one. Warpspeed still makes them. Not a big fan of the tubular design.
Quit being so lazy and change that
Either Warpspeed (not recommended) or try to someone who has Truax for sale.
Not sure about that. I guess time will tell.
Quit being so lazy and change that Either Warpspeed (not recommended) or try to someone who has Truax for sale.
Not sure about that. I guess time will tell.
10-14-2009, 11:57 AM
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10-14-2009, 03:17 PM
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I've also heard from others personal experiences to avoid the red ones and buy the black ones.
Not saying either way, just wondering if there's any truth to it.
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10-14-2009, 03:25 PM
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Where did you hear that? There's a reason the part # suffix is either R or G.
http://www.energysuspension.com/ener...questions.html
"Energy has impregnated selected black polyurethane components with graphite to add a lubrication property"
http://www.energysuspension.com/ener...questions.html
"Energy has impregnated selected black polyurethane components with graphite to add a lubrication property"
10-14-2009, 03:37 PM
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Quick search on google:
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
10-14-2009, 05:15 PM
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Quick search on google:
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
10-14-2009, 05:29 PM
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Quick search on google:
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
I wonder what they consider high loads and movement?
10-20-2009, 06:18 PM
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Quick search on google:
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
Q. Do all of the Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings contain 'graphite' to stop squeaks?
A. No, only the BLACK polyurethane bushings can contain 'graphite'. If graphite was used in the red, yellow or blue bushings it would make them gray in color. Graphite is included in the black bushings to help with the squeak problem that urethane can have. The newest 'Hyper flex' formula is designed to decrease the possibility of squeaks even further. Strut rod bushings, body mounts and motor mounts do not use graphite, because they are a compression type bushing and the graphite would affect the bushings ability to rebound when compressed, and compression type bushings do not squeak.
http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/red_vs_black_for_suspension_bushings/796983
All parts available in black-Graphite Impregnated Polyurethane to provide you with bushings that are self-lubricating and won't squeak.
http://www.performancesuspension.com/polyurethane-bushings.html
Other testimonials:
- If you get black poly bushings they will not squeak, any other colors will squeak more as they do not have graphite in them.
- Raw poly bushings squeak. Like crazy. The graphite impregnated ones do not.
- As for color - unless you just have to have something flashy, go with Energy Suspension black, not red. The black are graphite impregnated, and are MUCH less prone to squeaks and noises.
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