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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 07:30 AM
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02 maxima 6MT HLSD vs. 05 Altima SER autotragic

alright, so my buddy texts me the other day asking if my maxima could beat an SER thats stock and automatic. i tell him for sure... but then i start looking at the specs. His brother owns a shop and had one in there and the guy ripped it on the test drive and let the mechanic do the same while he was a passenger. he was suprised at how quick they were.

so i believe that because i have the 6MT and LSD that give me somewhat more of an advantage over non lsd automatics (maxima)

come spring ill have intake spacers, torque mount, intake, maybe VIAS plate although i may pass on that and light *** 18" wheels. so my car has minimal mods.

i am not posting this to try and gain bragging rights or whatever, just once i started looking into them they suprised me a bit and it got me wondering, i thought they had a bit less power than they do. personally i love the alitima SER's.
guy said he may wanna race in the spring. i dont race on the street so ill have to take it to the track but ill do best of 3 and throw down $200 to make in interesting lol
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i am asking how they compare to each other. i thought some people on here might have some insight or opinions on the SER that i would be interetsed in hearing.

i also stated that i was supried at their stock HP rating, i thought it was under the maxima but turns out its the opposite.



I want to hear peoples opinions on the SER and how it drives and compares to a maxima. i would compare it to a car i own rather than a car i have never driven.

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I don't understand why you are so surprised, they are essentially the same car setup with similar weight and the exact same powerplants with different claimed stock HP ratings...
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ya i guess so. I lost (dead) a puppy yesterday and im a little on edge.

only made this thread to get some opinions, not try and tell people what simple bolt on mods i plan on doing or that im going to race which, which if i do will not be onthe streets

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I don't understand why you are so surprised, they are essentially the same car setup with similar weight and the exact same powerplants with different claimed stock HP ratings...

i wasnt so suprised but i did think they had less hp. i know they are not far off from each other but i thought someone could give me some input as to how it compares to mine ( in twerms of handing and whatnot) as i do like the SER's alot. very nice cars for sure

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I don't understand why you are so surprised, they are essentially the same car setup with similar weight and the exact same powerplants with different claimed stock HP ratings...
Judging from past dyno data, etc. It doesn’t matter the car in question. The 2nd- probably 4th gen FWD VQ35 4AT/5AT all dyno about the same. Of course the 6MT dynos a bit higher, and all quarter mile times are consistent, with of course the 6MT having a slight advantage.

So basically it’s a drivers race.

The 5AT has nearly identical ratios from 0-100, but after that, the 6MT is better set-up to deal with post 100 MPH speeds due to their gear ratios, but if only doing the common 1320ft (or in your case perhaps 1000ft.) it won’t matter because you won’t reach those speeds in order to take advantage of the ratios. But you never mentioned what you are trying to compare to.

Also, the I believe the L31 5AT is the exact same as the A34 5AT (ratios, etc). With a slight marketing ploy for a bit more HP. Probably due to special low restriction mufflers. On a forum like this, that marketing ploy means crap since most if not all of us probably have an aftermarket exhaust anyhow.

It was when Nissan put in the new FWDVQ35 in the L32/A35. That engine is more powerful and is a different animal, but, that’s not what you asked.


They may have a slight handling advantage in stock form also, but who here is stock form?

That's why we have car magazines for comparisons.

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As far as I am concerned 2002-2003 Maximas and 02-06 3.5L altimas can be considered basically the same car.
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Originally Posted by MintVQ35
As far as I am concerned 2002-2003 Maximas and 02-06 3.5L altimas can be considered basically the same car.


With fancy brake calipers, cooler wheels, and bragging rights for said SE-R logo.
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SER = WHP
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 09:59 AM
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So will you guys both be stock when you're ready to race? If you can drive, you'll pull away top end due to your 6MT.
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So will you guys both be stock when you're ready to race? If you can drive, you'll pull away top end due to your 6MT.
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The Se-r's, I believe, weigh about 300lbs less then the 5.5 max. BUT it's not going to make much of a difference at all. As long as you can bang though your gears and "know" how to drive/race, I think you will walk him.
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 06:25 PM
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Are we still having these threads???
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 06:31 PM
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This would be a case where the driving skills of the 6 speed driver would probably determine the winner. Probably pretty close.

Bench racing threads ftw
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Originally Posted by colin_SE
The Se-r's, I believe, weigh about 300lbs less then the 5.5 max. BUT it's not going to make much of a difference at all. As long as you can bang though your gears and "know" how to drive/race, I think you will walk him.
Altima SE-R curb weight is listed at 3316, Maxima SE at 3245
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 09:09 PM
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Rice Thread!! LOL umm if you can drive, you're gonna win. enough of the assumptions, been there done that vs 2 of them at once
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Originally Posted by colin_SE
The Se-r's, I believe, weigh about 300lbs less then the 5.5 max. BUT it's not going to make much of a difference at all. As long as you can bang though your gears and "know" how to drive/race, I think you will walk him.
Yeah you got your weight difference wrong.. SER is heavier.. and 300lbs makes more than enough of a difference

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Altima SE-R curb weight is listed at 3316, Maxima SE at 3245
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Majestic Ken
Rice Thread!! LOL umm if you can drive, you're gonna win. enough of the assumptions, been there done that vs 2 of them at once
Hey Ken!

Saw you the other day, you were going one way and I was going the other.
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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can an auto be made to be as fast as stick?
Old Mar 21, 2011 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by codygrey
can an auto be made to be as fast as stick?
sucks that you're asking a serious question.

Yes, some of the fastest maxima's are auto.
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Hey Ken!

Saw you the other day, you were going one way and I was going the other.
Hey where'd u see me lol shoot a pm u sure it was me? theres 3 replicas of my old setups out here. nobody has copied me here with the G 19s yet
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Judging from past dyno data, etc. It doesn’t matter the car in question. The 2nd- probably 4th gen FWD VQ35 4AT/5AT all dyno about the same. Of course the 6MT dynos a bit higher, and all quarter mile times are consistent, with of course the 6MT having a slight advantage.

So basically it’s a drivers race.

The 5AT has nearly identical ratios from 0-100, but after that, the 6MT is better set-up to deal with post 100 MPH speeds due to their gear ratios, but if only doing the common 1320ft (or in your case perhaps 1000ft.) it won’t matter because you won’t reach those speeds in order to take advantage of the ratios. But you never mentioned what you are trying to compare to.

Also, the I believe the L31 5AT is the exact same as the A34 5AT (ratios, etc). With a slight marketing ploy for a bit more HP. Probably due to special low restriction mufflers. On a forum like this, that marketing ploy means crap since most if not all of us probably have an aftermarket exhaust anyhow.

It was when Nissan put in the new FWDVQ35 in the L32/A35. That engine is more powerful and is a different animal, but, that’s not what you asked.


They may have a slight handling advantage in stock form also, but who here is stock form?

That's why we have car magazines for comparisons.

thank you for your informative reply. this is what i was looking for. just wanted some opinions and insight. guy was thinking of selling and i had a buddy interested but he didnt want the auto which is understandable
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 06:51 AM
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can an auto be made to be as fast as stick?

absolutley, some of the drag guys will run a 3 speed automatic... not great for DD but if its a drag built car then it will get you there pretty quick
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 09:31 AM
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You could always race and find out... lol
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Originally Posted by Scottwax
Altima SE-R curb weight is listed at 3316, Maxima SE at 3245
I think I was thinking of the 5speed 02 03 altimas. They only weigh like 2900 i think
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pkrainert
You could always race and find out... lol
or you could read it over and realize i will, but only at the track. lost my license already and paid 12k in lawyers to get it back

and far from a benchracer, been to the 4+km track here near toronto and drag as well. havnt had the max out at the track though. first track day with it is may 28th
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by matt06
or you could read it over and realize i will, but only at the track. lost my license already and paid 12k in lawyers to get it back

and far from a benchracer, been to the 4+km track here near toronto and drag as well. havnt had the max out at the track though. first track day with it is may 28th
I didn't see the part about you losing your lic. Sorry about the 12k lawyer fees that is pretty rough.

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I think the maxima will win all day in my opinion
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 02:54 PM
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I raced a altima ser in my 02 maxima and walked it
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by colin_SE
I think I was thinking of the 5speed 02 03 altimas. They only weigh like 2900 i think
http://www.modernracer.com/nissanaltima35se.html

3225-3273 is what this site shows for the 2002-2005 Altimas.

Side by side, an Altima is as big as a Maxima, my neighbor had one and parks next to me all the time.
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
They may have a slight handling advantage in stock form also, but who here is stock form?


Performance wise me...... for now
Old Mar 22, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottwax
http://www.modernracer.com/nissanaltima35se.html

3225-3273 is what this site shows for the 2002-2005 Altimas.

Side by side, an Altima is as big as a Maxima, my neighbor had one and parks next to me all the time.
Sure is, but when you take a look and feel that interior vs a 5.5 gen...You know why it was criticized for being cheap along with the 6th gen interior.
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The answer in a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6K8fT97Pn0
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Originally Posted by colin_SE
The Se-r's, I believe, weigh about 300lbs less then the 5.5 max. BUT it's not going to make much of a difference at all. As long as you can bang though your gears and "know" how to drive/race, I think you will walk him.
Their weights are within 10-20 lbs of each other for your info!
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this vid is true fact. same outcome from when i raced 2 automatics and left them easier because of the contol of gears. I raced a 6speed ser another time and it was neck and neck from 50-145. so there u have it. again, its all a drivers race when it comes to 2 manuals because we all know autos are tragic racing against manuals
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if both cars were 6spds it would be a fair race. Seeing as the altima is a auto and the maxi is a stick..of course it has the advantage. The maxima might weigh more but he has better throttle response and more top end. If you want yourself a real se-r race..race someone thats got a 6spd..but still Idk why you would be surpised that theyre so different when basically they use the same engine and components..of course its going to be a close race...just not a fair one bc ones auto and ones manual.
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The simple fact that u are asking about a auto se-r that probebly runs a 15.0 on avg and a 6mt that avg 14.4's-7, then ill pick the se-r, driver may be needed for this here 6spd.... if you think the aut had a chance then what u think about the 6spds???....
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