Poly Mounts + Torque Link = Beneficial?
11-22-2011, 06:21 AM
#1
Poly Mounts + Torque Link = Beneficial?
I was thinking about this the other day after installing some mounts I ended up getting from Puppetmaster. Just some random thoughts and open to discussion.
Do poly mounts and torque link seem overkill as they essentially are doing the same thing?...or do they benefit each other?
Also curious on the torque link by itself. If a torque link is keeping the engine stable on one side wouldn't it create more wear on the opposite (driver's) side mounts or tranny or possibly axle?
Do poly mounts and torque link seem overkill as they essentially are doing the same thing?...or do they benefit each other?
Also curious on the torque link by itself. If a torque link is keeping the engine stable on one side wouldn't it create more wear on the opposite (driver's) side mounts or tranny or possibly axle?
11-22-2011, 06:32 AM
#2
I can't speak of the mount's because there sitting in a box in my room because i havn't had time to throw them in but IMO they kind of do the same thing (limit engine movement) I did have the torque link and i liked it alot, There's alot of ajustment and fine tuning you can do with it to get your car feeling just the way you wan't. My buddy made the mistake of doing the link before the mounts and adjusted the link to tight which squashed his MM's and made them start leaking. But together from what i hear snugs the front end up pretty nice.
11-22-2011, 06:37 AM
#3
The combination that you speak of has been my favorite mod to this car. Most noticeable and in a good way.
For me it complimented the VB mod, but as you are a 6MT, it may benefit in ways I don't even know about being auto and all.
I'm also convinced it's worth some whp since more of your power is headed to the ground.
Is it possible to gain 15 peak whp from a catback?
For me it complimented the VB mod, but as you are a 6MT, it may benefit in ways I don't even know about being auto and all.
I'm also convinced it's worth some whp since more of your power is headed to the ground.
Is it possible to gain 15 peak whp from a catback?
11-22-2011, 07:02 AM
#4
11-22-2011, 07:07 AM
#5
Considering the ease of installation for the ETL, price and the flexibility to remove it when not wanted or needed just adds to it's value.
I need it on mine since I now have sparks manifold.
11-22-2011, 07:08 AM
#6
I'd say maybe about 2 days apart or something like that. I didn't buy the ETL shortly after, as I already had all parts and just installed them on different days.
Considering the ease of installation for the ETL, price and the flexibility to remove it when not wanted or needed just adds to it's value.
Considering the ease of installation for the ETL, price and the flexibility to remove it when not wanted or needed just adds to it's value.
I need it on mine since I now have sparks manifold.
11-22-2011, 09:26 AM
#8
I have the ES Mounts and subframe bushings. The engine does not move AT ALL and helps BIG TIME with wheel hop and acceleration. I do not have NWP Torque Link so I can't speak for that, but I feel that I don't need it now, honestly.
11-22-2011, 11:22 AM
#9
More anchoring of the motor can't hurt. The motor mount inserts were one of the single best mods I had for throttle response. Can't say they helped with XX whp, but I'm sure it helped a little.
11-22-2011, 03:47 PM
#10
Sentra with Stock engine mounts, notice the engine's movement without ES motor mounts
http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Sent ... 111916.htm
03 Max with Headers (not tuned) and short ram on stock engine mounts, notice the engine movement:
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/l...1Skidzrun1.mp4
This is a Max with the lower crossmember engine mounts and sub-bushings changed to ES motor mounts and sub-bushings
Pic's of the engine mounts that were swapped for ES mounts on my 03 Max.
I don't have the torque link engine brace, and can only imagine that it would add even more support to eliminating the unwanted engine movement and assist in transferring all the engines torque straight to the wheels and ground ... as Puppetmaster has stated having the two mod's working together can only be a good thing.
http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Sent ... 111916.htm
03 Max with Headers (not tuned) and short ram on stock engine mounts, notice the engine movement:
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/l...1Skidzrun1.mp4
This is a Max with the lower crossmember engine mounts and sub-bushings changed to ES motor mounts and sub-bushings
Pic's of the engine mounts that were swapped for ES mounts on my 03 Max.
I don't have the torque link engine brace, and can only imagine that it would add even more support to eliminating the unwanted engine movement and assist in transferring all the engines torque straight to the wheels and ground ... as Puppetmaster has stated having the two mod's working together can only be a good thing.
11-22-2011, 09:23 PM
#11
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I was thinking about this the other day after installing some mounts I ended up getting from Puppetmaster. Just some random thoughts and open to discussion.
Do poly mounts and torque link seem overkill as they essentially are doing the same thing?...or do they benefit each other?
Also curious on the torque link by itself. If a torque link is keeping the engine stable on one side wouldn't it create more wear on the opposite (driver's) side mounts or tranny or possibly axle?
Do poly mounts and torque link seem overkill as they essentially are doing the same thing?...or do they benefit each other?
Also curious on the torque link by itself. If a torque link is keeping the engine stable on one side wouldn't it create more wear on the opposite (driver's) side mounts or tranny or possibly axle?
I was thinking about getting poly mounts and tq link too. I might just start with the mounts and see how that feels first.
You still getting hop/scrub after your mounts?
11-23-2011, 05:44 AM
#15
im sure poly mounts and TQ link are a bit much. I have poly tranny and passenger side mounts and its pretty stiff. Was thinking of getting the TQ link. Everyone that has one has felt a difference and for the price you cant beat it
11-23-2011, 06:04 AM
#16
I've been driving a 2003 6MT since Summer of 2002, carefully modded year over year since 2006.
In April 2009, I had Energy Suspension solid polyurethane Torque Mount bushings installed. It immediately, and thereafter, became my favorite mod to the car. Few modifications are as transformative as this. The NVH it introduces is an entirely new and visceral quality for your near-luxury 4-door, and admittedly it's can be too much for some people. Personally, I love it. On the performance side, it makes your car feel *much* more responsive to the throttle.
In June 2010, I bought and installed the NWP Torque Link. After 1+ year of the solid poly bushings, I got to experience the previous year's upgrade moment all over again. There is a great deal more NVH with the Torque Link, but it also contributes significantly with all the same benefits of the solid torque mount bushings. I drive 24/7 with the Torque Link installed, although I take it off for the winter when the snow tires go on.
My advice is not to do both at the same time, you'll probably freak out with all the NVH, and immediately disconnect the Torque Link. Start with the bushings, assess things over a few months, then go to the next level.
In April 2009, I had Energy Suspension solid polyurethane Torque Mount bushings installed. It immediately, and thereafter, became my favorite mod to the car. Few modifications are as transformative as this. The NVH it introduces is an entirely new and visceral quality for your near-luxury 4-door, and admittedly it's can be too much for some people. Personally, I love it. On the performance side, it makes your car feel *much* more responsive to the throttle.
In June 2010, I bought and installed the NWP Torque Link. After 1+ year of the solid poly bushings, I got to experience the previous year's upgrade moment all over again. There is a great deal more NVH with the Torque Link, but it also contributes significantly with all the same benefits of the solid torque mount bushings. I drive 24/7 with the Torque Link installed, although I take it off for the winter when the snow tires go on.
My advice is not to do both at the same time, you'll probably freak out with all the NVH, and immediately disconnect the Torque Link. Start with the bushings, assess things over a few months, then go to the next level.
11-23-2011, 06:20 AM
#17
...more or less I was just trying to see the viability of adding the Torque link and possibly saving the money for elsewhere.
I'll do what Rochester suggested and just work my way up to a TQ Link further down the road. I have the other poly stuff to put in first anyway and I'd rather feel the benefit of each mod first instead of everything at once.
(Oh, no wheel hop but I'm not trying to kill my clutch either - lol)
11-23-2011, 06:29 AM
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