took my set of pads in to the shop this weekend and the here's what i heard:

axxis pads are crap.
i got ripped off.
they're made by a company that was called kenstop.
they're made in australia whose notorious for their brake pads.
i'll get degraded performance and then brake squeal ~3-4 weeks.
stick to nissan oem stuff. it's metallic and better.

any truth to this? i thought i bought axxis pads cuz they're better.

 

I've used Repco, now called Axxis, for about twenty years. I've used them in a Datsun 280ZX, Nissan Sentra, Mazda Protege and a Toyota Supra.

I've done some racing and these pads are superb. In all my cars the original pads could NOT handle a really high speed stop. There is a section of interstate around me where I can get a car up to over a 100mph with no company. After 1 or more stops from that speed the original pads failed (classic brake fade). With the Repcos - no problem. My Supra (1988) could not handle ONE stop from over 120mph. With Repcos I was able to stop the Supra all day long at 120mph and when I put it on the track for practice sessions with a local car club and it ran a half hour at race speeds with no fade!!!! That's alot of time for a stock, unmodified car! In short, I really conduct tests of the pads I use and Repco do the job.

The pads are made in Australia, I'm not sure that's important. The pads are full metallic and beautifully made.

By the way the Repcos (Axxis) leave no black brake dust WHATSOEVER and last a long, long time.

Another myth is that they eat rotors. Not true. In fact Axxis has a chart showing their pads are kinder to rotors than regular pads. I do my own brake work and none of my cars, including ones with almost 200k miles on them, have ever needed rotors.

I absolutely love these pads. I've used these pads so long and exclusively that I feel very sure about their quality. I REALLY question the expertise of the shop you went to. I've come to maxima.org for advice concerning buying a used Maxima for myself. One thing I was absoulutely sure of is that I would order Axxis pads immediately for any used car I purchased. Repcos/Axxis are standard on my cars.

One thing you may need to consider is that VERY few people really need to brake at maximum from high speeds. I have no experience with Maximas and if you run only occassionly over 80mph, probably any pad will probably do. Since you already have the Repcos, go with them - you have more high speed stopping than you need. Again, I really question the expertise of the shop you went to.

 

Depends which ones you get. Axxis Metal Masters blow the stocks away in braking. If you don't break them in properly, then you will have terrible braking.

They do not suck.

 

My friend has these in his 4thgen prelude and it stops on a dime.
he got 55k out of his last set and regularly stops from highspeeds.
very good pads

kinch

 

It's an important point. My comments ONLY APPLY to the METAL MASTERS.

Frankly, when the Repco brand existed, there were only Metal Masters.

With Axxis - they have, I think, a few different categories. You want Metal Masters .

All bets are off if that is not the case.

I'm sorry I didn't point this out.

 

For the record what is the proper break in procedure for these type of pads?

 

I'd like to know this as well..I thought you just had to mildly warm them up a bit...Shed some light on it!!!

 

I've had my Axxis Metal Master with my Stillen Cross-Drilled Rotors and so far so good. Had this setup for about 3 weeks now... I like the performance...

 

I have had Axxis Metal Masters on the front for 2 months and i love them. This past weekend i put on the rear ones as well.

As far as some idiot in a shop telling you that they are crap, is wrong. He must really want your business.

Maybe you can call DATELINE and have them do a special on how some idiots in car repair shops try and rip ppl off.

Here is the link to the proper brake in procedure done by
Russell Zotz (RussMaxManiac)
Just scroll down and u will see it




proper brake in procedure by RUSSELL

 

10 stops from 30-5mph with semi-hard pressure. I did 1 stop every 1 min, gave the brakes a little cool time between it. Then the last 2 I did right after each other from 40-0. And let them cool at the house.

 

i'm talking about the metal master pads.

as far as the shop is concerned, he told me to just get them from my nissan guy (dave burnette) so that i could stick with the oem. he seems sincere enough, but i guess he's not really familiar with the axxis pads.

 

I have the metal masters and my rims are black within a week. Sorry to say....

Sometimes I wish I hadnt gotten them. Next time ill just try the Green Stuff pads.

 

i use them in racing, in everyday driving too..PBR is manufactured by Axxis...but whoever told u that stuff probably doesn't know anything about aftermarket brake pads..or gets much more commission by selling u his nissan oem stuff..

 

I replaced my fronts to the set of Porterfields (street compound) about 10k miles back and love them. They provide you with whole additional range of brake force before they stop rotor completely (at high speed). My stock ones just bited rotors and then ABS did it's job. Sometimes you just need more control in that range. They also don't fade providing the same behaviour no matter how hard you were just braking. The only "problem" is that I can't stop the car at VERY low speed as smoothly as stock ones - these pads at some very low speed (say 4-5 times less that auto in idle on horizontal surface) just stop the car and it dives a little. This is not a consern for me at all since I care more about high speed end . They also don't require noticable warmup period after you start driving in the morning. I can't compare them to Axxiss though.

Mike.

 

pick a pic yet?

 

whoever likes Axxis pads, why don't you post here the info on where you bought yours...Could there be fake ones out on the market, that way some ppl are getting poorly made copycat?

 

ive done over 40+ brake jobs with Axxis metal masters. not one of them has complained of brake fade or squealing noises. Their good pads, maybe not the best but their good. Nissan OEM pads are also good pads but not designed for repeated high speed stops.

keep in mind any pad will dust, even EBC green stuff that keeps saying they dont dust...even i know thats gotten EBC's including my bike friends..all complain about them dusting alot. When there is friction, some of the pad material is dusting away...so there gotta be dust.

 

www.brakeco.com

 

yeah!! many!!

 

I use to buy these pads at a local auto parts store specializing in foreign cars. I'd suggest you use the yellow pages and call around. They are not a common brand nor are they really rare. The last time I got them (a year ago) I ordered from carparts.com. Good prices, fast delivery and often deals for first time buyers.

Regarding brake fluid , I use Castrol LMA with good results and should be easy to find although perhaps it's not in every auto parts store (but many). Any DOT 4 fluid should work fine. I've had no problem with any boiling of the fluid.

Regarding dust - every brake pad sacrifices itself when braking and some dust has to be produced. HOWEVER, I've never seen any black dust on any rims in twenty years so I can't resolve the comment by one forum member who has seen it from repcos/axxis. Were they non-metal masters? If you look at a metal master pad it's a pure silver in color and what dust is produced evidently doesn't stick to the rims or I've just missed it, which I really, really doubt.

By the way - these pads last a long time. Certainly more than 50% of OEM.

In the last few years a number of high quality pads have become available. There's carbon fiber pads, etc. Unless you're racing on the SCCA curcuit I still think repco are the best. Now a current SCCA racer could tell you more than I can but some of these super high performance pads are really bad for street use. They need alot of heat to function. In short, under normal operating conditions on the street where a pad is relatively cold, true, full bore racing pads can perform very poorly.

Regarding breakin of the pads, I do what has been suggested with one variation. I do maybe ten 30 -40 mph stops at medium pressure with a minute or two between stops. After that I get up to speed and give it a full, near lock stop. I then drive around then, avoiding any braking as much as possible, for maybe fifteen minutes to let them cool. Before doing a hard stop, you really should be sure your car doesn't pull to one side or the other when braking, you have installed them correctly, and the area is safe and flat with no vehicles around.

You have to watch out for a "hot-shutdown" after VERY heavy braking. If the pad is still very hot and you park the car, that hot pad sits on one small portion of the rotor in a stationary position and it can warp the rotor.

 

The Axxis / Repco is branded under several different names (ie Lucas). The ones I sell come in the Axxis box so you know what you're getting. I've used them on my Max, Miata, and Z and have no complaints. My mom's Accord is using them and they're fine. No squeels, less dust than stock, better bite, yada yada yada

 

Well I bought my pads from you, and yes they did come in the box and i noticed a diferent material then that of the OEM pads. The only thing I can vouch for is the better bite. The is WAY TO MUCH brake dust for my liking and yes, they SQUEEL like a ***** at times. I wish I could say better things about them, but I cant.

 

for the guys with Axxis pads/squeeling.. are you putting grease on the shims?

 

 

well i've already bought the pads and now i don't know if i want em or not. increased braking would be cool, but i don't want the squeal.
will getting slotted rotors eliminate the squeal?

 

keep in mind MOST squeaking noises are associated with installation. Ive never had 1 sqeak out of any of my brake jobs ive done regardless of the pad used. But some people will have squeaking even from OEM pads if they dont do a good job installing.

 

does this apply to any brakepads? I just brought a set of ceramic brake pads(raybesto quietstop)/ you only do this once? so after you let it sit overnight you can brake hard again & drive normally ?

this is how they look like http://community.webshots.com/storag...jKMDmEx_ph.jpg

and

http://community.webshots.com/storag...FGXEgcl_ph.jpg

installing it tomorrow

 

I'm not an expert on pad breakin - I've posted the techniques I've used over twenty years that worked but I could have been lucky.

I've NEVER heard any squeel from these pads and don't take the usual precautions of silicon greese on the caliper parts. Noise is more of a function of installation and the car's design than the pads , I think. Also, I can't figure the one or two remarks about brake dust. Never seen ANY!!!!!!!!!!. HOWEVER - since the Repco pads were branded Axxis - maybe things have changed.

 

same here. I've sold hundreds of these and have only had a few people complain about squeeling. It *usually* boils down to the lack of grease on the shim and sliding pin or improper break-in.

Dust? I can go 200-300 more miles before my Axxis pads produce the same amount of dust than stock pads. If they're dusting more, the only thing I can think of is that the piston may be sticking.

 

AXXIS on my Accord, never had'em on any of my cars before, I must say AXXIS are way better than any other pads I have had on my cars. No grinding, No Fading, No Noises...

 

Here I was thinking it was normal all this time. I had my Nissan Service guy install them, So I know it was done right. (At least I trust the guy a lot). So maybe they need grease (how do I do that?) but explain to me what could be going on that I have so much dust. I mean, its really bad. After washing my car, less than a week later, they are like a tan/gunmetal color, and I always get people saying, "damn, your rims are dirty!", and is sux cause I just washed the car a few days ago. What should I do? I mean, ive heard so many good things about the pads, but I must be doing something wrong...

 

I put them on my mom's Accord.. she likes them

Maxima-ness - there should be a sticky or a post on how to install brake pads on a Maxima around here somewhere. It's pretty straightforward, though. Once you pull out the pad, you will see metal shims (if the Nissan tech put those back on) where the grease goes on.

 

yeah, there is one in the how to's for the axxis pads in particular. the pix are bit dark so it's hard to see some of the illustrations but the info's helpful anyways. i just decided that the brakes weren't something i want to experiment on.

as for the pads that i bought, i'll take a picture of them and try to post it so you guys can tell me if i got the right ones. i'm pretty sure that i've got good pads now. i just wish i had used them.

 

So, that will solve the little squeal I hear when I stop, but what do I do about the excessive brake dusting? If you want me to, I can take before and after pics of the rims for you, at least to give you an idea. I dont doubt the quality, I mean, you wouldnt sell a bad product Im sure, but, I juat want to know what ive done wrong.

Thanx

 

I honestly have no answer for the excessive brake dust. Maybe you're just heavier on the brakes now :P

 

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