ive been searching for the last hour with no luck, maybe im searching the wrong keyword or something. But i just bought a 02 se and it has stock(i assume) navigation which has the touch screen ac controls. i have a pioneer avh-4400 i want to put in but dont know where to start. I assume i need a standard climate control... panel? how exactly do you do this swap when the ac/heat are controlled thru the navigation?

 

Hey do you still have this navigation deck and would you consider selling it?

 

yup, if youll tell me how to replace it

 

In my opinion I would keep that stock navi, it's ultra MEGA rare, not to mention you would need to find an auto climate control unit and have It connected back to the car. I thought about swapping my stock navi but I love it too much.

 

I'm not 100% sure but common sense on my part is GUESSING even though the navi & climate control is one unit, there might be 2 separate harnesses in the back.....so like the user above *i'm using an iPhone so I don't feel like going back and forth lol* said, you'd have to find a climate control *they're fairly cheap* with screws, remove the navi, wire up your new navi, plug in your "new" climate control then enjoy....hopefully if I'm not incorrect it should be that easy

 

this is the atari of navigations, a new pioneer will be way nicer. if i get the climate control, are the plugs compatible? is it a simple swap?

 

Definitely on the right track but yes he would need this wired right. OP I understsnd, do what makes you happy

 

I have a spare digital climate, if you wanna remove the navi and take pics of the harness plugs/navi connectors. I can take some high resolution pics of the connectors are well to match them up.

 

awesome, im hoping to get some parts in before the weekend so i can turn some wrenches. ill try to get the head unit out so i can snap a few pics. thanks bro!

 

No prob

 

I'm thinking Intellivision.

 

iam having the same problem as soon as i can get the factory nav unit out i will sell it.

 

Any luck with this swap??

 

http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...e-din-kit.html

According to 'Godfather' in the above post, the swap is a not easy.

 

Not easy and not worth the time and effort.

It's a ton of rewiring and no one has gotten it to work 100%.

The issue is that the HVAC controls are built into the OEM Navi. The harnesses are not the same with the auto HVAC controls, I've done the wire mapping.

If you absolutely must change your system, add aftermarket speakers to the OEM nav/HU. But don't bother trying to change the OEM navi.

 

biggest crock of **** to date, this car isnt all its cracked up to be

 

Hahaha...

But back in 02 (which is an entire decade ago), it was an engineering marvel!

 

lol, i havent even tagged the car yet and debating on getting rid of it. i loved my old 4th gen, and thought the 5.5 would be that much better.

 

It is, except for the nav. It's pretty much the only factor thats limited.

 

I'm having the same issue w/ an 02 w/ factory unit in which the a/c & heater buttons have fallen off...have to use a paper clip to use system. My research has come back that u can't change this out and convert to the basic style (separate) due to the wiring of this OEM unit. This was a $ 2,000.00 option in 02 and it's junk, good luck it's a crappy system. rbones420@yahoo.com

 

For all that keep bumping this thread, converting stick navi to any aftermarket front end is NOT worth it. I've done the wiring mapping. Too much customization with little benefit.

 

Agree, or find a junkyard replacement.

 

I have a 2002 se as well with navi, I typed the Clarion part number shown in the navi and I saw a website where parts are abailable and pretty cheap, the only part I need is the right side control buttons, but they are currently out of stock. does anyone have a navy with the ac buttons unit working and would like to sell it? please let me know.


Thanks,


OC

 

Good luck on this swap if you are able to do that. Todays cars are quite a challenge than a decade ago, when you can easily change out your head unit. Cars today are now integrated into part of the dash design since cars are using body control modules along with the infotainment. So it would be nearly impossible. with the HVAC part of the Navi system is be next to impossible to change. I bought a 2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6 with Navi and I noticed the controls to the radio also the HVAC and I thought wow that would be difficult to change the heads in a "WHAT IF"

 

Pretty sure theres a harness that you should be able to swap out to accomadate all the wiring, unless the dash harness is a 1 piece then its a pain in the *** but doable, the dash might have to be pulled to swap the harness im sure.

 

Two very different topics being discussed here, leading to a lot of confusion.

To repeat again, do not attempt to get rid of OEM navi with an aftermarket head unit. It is too tightly coupled (from a wiring perspective) with HVAC controls and other harnesses.

Your only option if your OEM Navi ceases to work (buttons or anything else), is to replace with the SAME thing - junkyard or dealer.

 

Yes this is true. My 03 also has this Navigation deck from factory. I also wanted the same thing (replace with an aftermarket) but didnt realize how rare and expensive this option was back then. So I kept it

 

The main reason someone should keep their stock Navi is because it is NOT POSSIBLE to upgrade to anything else on the front end.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGsb4i8nkQ8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Or this..?

 

Hey now, I'm proud of that install!

 

Makes no sense

 

http://forums.nicoclub.com/update-re...483201-30.html

Somebody did it on a Pathfinder. I'm gonna give it a shot. Paperclips are no longer an option!

 

Still highly skeptical - because of this:

Wire colors for us don't line up, AND, this guy doesnt have any issues or make any mention of the ambient sensors or grounds.

 

This thread intrigued me so I spent an hour comparing wiring diagrams and I think I have it MOSTLY figured out. Please note that mostly means not completely.

djfrestyl expressed concern about the way Pathfinder guy talked about going by wire colors. I agree with djfrestyl on this. Go by the connector pin number.

The wire harness connectors for the navi and non-navi climate controls are the same pieces of plastic, but the wires in them are not in the same spots. There are 9 wires that need to be changed/moved.

5 of the wires are in the climate control connectors all ready and need to be moved to different pin locations.
2 wires are for the dash light illumination and need to be removed from the navi panel connector and put into the climate control connector.
The last 2 wires are for the rear window de-icer. I missed where these wires are at in the navi system.
There are 3 wires in the navi system that I would remove from the connector before plugging the connector into the non-navi climate control panel. They are pins 9, 10 and 20. There is probably no connection in the non-navi control panel, but I would play it safe and take them out. These wires are some kind of multiplex communications from the display panel (TX, RX, CLK) and have no counterpart in the non-navi climate controls.

My starting reference point for this is the block diagrams of the 2 climate control systems, 2003 FSM pages HA30 for no navi and page HA34 for navi.

 

Does anybody have any more info on how to do this?

I took my '03 about a year ago since the 6 disk no longer worked. I bought the auto climate and pigtails, and the dude said he could do it no problem. Took out the factory nav(which I still have), installed the new kenwood and auto climate, but couldn't figure out how to wire it.

I've seen it done, but a LONG time ago in posts that I can't find anymore. The only good thijng that came from it was since the guy couldn't figure it out he gave me my money back for everything since he had "never been defeated before"- hahaha

I'm not technically inclined to do it myself, but if I could get any additional info for when I take if somewhere that would be awesome- since nobody has even seen a 5.5 with nav.

Thanks!
Skazzini
Skazzini@gmail
720.934.0747

 

Hey Ska,

Overall / historically (and I've been around a while): Not a single person has gotten this to work 100%. Many have tried, few have come close. But no one has gotten everything. From what I remember, most of the issues are around grounds, ambient temp sensors, and other smaller items.

I have put together a wiring 'mapping' diagram which compares non-nav to nav wiring. I'll shoot it over to you via email, but again, not aware of anyone that can get it 100%. Given the car is over a decade old, I'm thinking its a lost cause to try to replace the factory nav with anything aftermarket at all.

 

This is why I kept the factory navy. Other than the fact that its extremely rare

 

You can get up dates.

2007 Max - http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INT...kAAAEkmOcDsuPE

2002 Max (rather expensive) - http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INT...oAAAEkuecDsuPE

 

where is the wiring that goes into the back of the heat a/c controller?

 

Hello, newbie here. Do I tap into the a/c auto amp with the connectors that go into the back of the climate control unit? The wiring going into nav unit does not match up with the heat a/c controller at all.