RussMaxManiac

I was cruising around last night when a dark colored GT stang comes up next to be reving at me?! I was like ummmm okay, like I would even win! hahahah... Anyways, I shifted down and lanched it hard next to him to tell him its on. Well we got to the light and waited for it to change. I had my revs aimed just right, and lanched. We both had a little wheel spin, 1st gear we were dead even, 2nd gear he started to pull on me slowly, by mid 3rd gear I had to let off due to a car coming up, but he only got one car on me, and his rear bumper was at my front bumper!! I am completely performance wise stock right now. I removed the mods for my 15k service. HAhah! He had a passenger as well, but he rolled down his window and was like, is that the 255hp? I was like nope, just 222. He was like, you got mods? Nope, stock. He just laughed then and gave a thumbs up. Hehehe....

JDM4LIFE

iTrader: (2)

very nice! now if you could just come here and show up the pretty boy in town who's got the '01 GT with bolt-ons and a 100 shot of nitrous, you'd be a hero to some of us here in my town :-) good job on the run..

PhatGuy

Y-pipe

RussMaxManiac

Yea yea....

Amazing2

2Maxed-out4u

Nice run Russ, but i like to be objective, especially for the Rookies sake. If the guy you beat would have been as equally skilled as you , he would have one. The thing about manuals is you have to know what gear to upshift to and be quick at shifting. Mustang = 260 ponies, Maxima =234 (Y-pipe). (I just don't want rookies to be saying that a Maxima is faster than a Mustang GT).

RussMaxManiac

Ummm. Go back and re-read the post. Geez.

2Maxed-out4u

You both took off from the light, right? He has 302 lbs of torque to Maximas 217, but you were both dead even out of first. Mustang weigh 3000 lbs, maxima ways 3200 lbs. If he knew what he was doing, he would have pulled on you just in first alone. You would not have been dead even.(not trying to bash ya, I'm tryin to tell the facts.)

PhatGuy

If all drivers were robots and all drove exactly at magazine times then there would be no point in racing? I have beaten some V8 mustangs on the highway but never ran one from a dead stop.

2Maxed-out4u

True. True. Some people though (newbies) assume that when somebody says that beat someone else, it means the winners car was faster. I used to think that Maximas were faster than Mustang GT's, until some of my car buddies made me feel stupid while telling the facts. That's why I just wanted to add insert about it depends on the drivers skills, unless your you have an automatic. (No flame or bad feelings intended to anybody.)

RussMaxManiac

Okay you are obviously dumb.

Let me break this out for you:

Mustang GT weighs 3241 lb
2001 Maxima 5spd weighs 3199 lb. FACTS (www.edmunds.com)

In your last post, you did not read. You said I beat him, and you could not believe that. IN THAT POST I never said I beat him. I said I lost to him, by 1 car by the time I hit mid 3rd gear which was 70-80mph and I let off. If it was a FULL 1/4 run he would have been 1 1/2 cars in front of me by then which is about low 14s in the 1/4 compared to high 14s to low 15s to me.

He knew what he was doing, he also had a passenger, so add another oh, 250 lb because the 2 guys that were in that car were pretty darn big. So I would say he was pushing with passengers close to 4k in weight. Me, 3350.

Your facts are flawed....have a nice day.

RussMaxManiac

The point is he said I beat them when I never said that. And his facts are flawed as his post showed.

RussMaxManiac

Stock the 2002 GT dynos at:

239.8rwhp and 281rwtq (SAE Corrected)

With that much weight, he would not overcome that well.

Also the Maxima is faster 2000-2001 than a 96-98 GT Stang 5spd. With bolt ons it will be faster than the 5.0. And the 255hp new model Max will take a 99-2002 GT.

JibaroMax

the auto 2001 gts run, low 14s, manual, high 13s stock,.ive seen it at the track over and over..its almost up to par with a 2002 max, and if u gonna race a cobra..dont..think again..

RussMaxManiac

Every 5spd GT I have seen run, hits 14.1-14.3. I have a friend who owns one as well. With bolt ones and gears he hit 13.5. Autos are mid 14s.

JibaroMax

maybe diff temp ? id still rather own a stang..

RussMaxManiac

Stang = waste.. I rather own a fbody....cheaper and a hell of alot faster. Ford = unrealiable..

JibaroMax

F bodies, i love, as for reliability , my bros 88 gt, outlasted all my imports,supra, corolla, including my maxima..

Stereodude

I wondered when the haters were going to show up. Why can't anyone believe the word of other fellow Maxima owners?

Stereodude

Amazing2

My uncle owns a Cobra (lots of mods) and I must say that I'm not impressed with it. YES it has lots of power (endless) and YES it's fast but it's ugly and rattles like crazy (cheap leather, Cheap dash...) He invested over 40,000$ (Can$) of mods in it (not counting the car)! With that kind of money, I would of bought something a little more exotic and fun!
BUT it was his dream and he got it at 40 something.

Amazing2

Dave B

I've seen many 99+GTs run anywhere from 14.8s down to 14.0 in stock form. The autos are far more consistent and are usually pulling off 14.4-14.6 at my track. Their trap speeds are relatively low 94-95mph which are on par with what I trap out at. The 5 speeds are consistently in the 98-99mph range. I've had numerous runs with a few local 99+ GTs, auto and manual. I've won and I've lost. The autos seem to be more of a race for my Max than the 5 speeds. If you put a good driver behind the manual, it will win everytime. PERIOD.

I've raced Russ when he was stock (might have had an intake) on the highway and I walked him from 50-95mph by about 1.5 cars, if I remember right. I completely believe Russ's story, but since Russ is in stock form again, I almost think this GT driver can't exploit the advantage off the line.

I've driven a 5 speed 2000 GT and it is faster than my car stock. I've helped friends modify 5.0s for years. I've driven them on the track and the 5.0/4.6 3Xs easier to get off the line than a Max if you know what you are doing. The 99+ GT feels like a mildly modded 5.0 with slightly lower lowend torque which makes the car far easier to launch aggressively. You put me in a 99+ GT 5 speed and I'm certain I'll walk any NA modded 95-02 Maxima straight from the get go. That's just how certain I am that the 99+ GTs are faster cars in the right hands.

I'll still think about getting a 2000 GT, taking off the spoiler, adding a full exhaust, 3.73 gear, UDPs, lowering springs technically making my own Bullit.


Dave

Dave B

Hehe...why don't you tell the club about your "reliable" LS1 TA.....

I owned a 4th gen F-body too and I won't tell anyone they are reliable cars. My buddies all had Mustangs (86, 87, 90, 95) and they were FAR more reliable than my Z28. I didn't really care though, because I bought an extended warranty (I knew they weren't reliable) and my Z28 was much faster after 70mph


Dave

Ludacris

iTrader: (11)

Amen to that, my Fox body is an unreliable POS.

clee130

Cause we're humans first, Maxima owners second.

RussMaxManiac

Nope, I was stock when I drove up to KC.... And was stock when I ran that GT. But like I said, he would have pulled more if I didn't let off at mid 3rd gear.

Dave B

Yeah, that makes since, stock to stock. He probably would have put another car or so on you by the end of a 1/4 mile. Contrary to popular belief, 1 car doesn't equal .1 of second at the track. It's more like 1 car equals about .3 on the track when your talking about 14-15 second cars.


Dave

emax02

iTrader: (1)

Those awful are bold words, I don't think you would walk me, at best you would barely win. From a roll I might even have you.

MONTE 01&97 SE

iTrader: (1)

I just dont think you will walk a 2k2 MAX with a stock 99+ Gt 5spd Dave B.

kit99bar

I think he will

a GT will get 14.0 @ 100mph stock with a decent driver
does the 2k2 Max get 100mph traps?

PhatGuy

Can a stock GT beat a Lexus GS400/430 on the highway?

2M0A0X2

you shouldn't have let go of your gas, but go into the opposite lane, swerve in and out, just like the supra ferarri scene in the fast and the furious.. At least that guy wasn't c*cky like the ferrari dude.

Dave B

I'm very certain of it. My Maxima has trapped out at nearly 96mph here in Kansas City is mid 70 degree weather and at a 1100' altitude. The two 2k2 6 speeds that have run have been at sea level tracks and is much cooler weather. They were trapping out at 94-97mph. You put me on that track and I'm certain my Max wouldn't get walked by a stock 2K2. My 95.6mph trap speed corrects out to be a 14.48@97.1mph for altitude and conditions (baro, temp, humidity).

The 5 speeds 99+ GTs that run at my track are running well over 98mph with many coming close to 100mph. One BONESTOCK GT with drag radials pulled off a 13.6@101mph. With a couple mods (gears, exhaust, UDPs) my friends have been hitting 13.8-13.6@102mph on street tires. I drove my friends 2000 GT when it was stock and it felt much quicker and faster than my Maxima. I've run him on the highway with his only mod being 3.73s and he pulled me at any speed. From 60-110, he got me by 3 cars.

You guys really need to try and test drive one. I've driven lots of older 5.0s with various mods, 96-98 GTs, a 98 Cobra, and a 2000 GT. The 2000 GT felt quicker from 0-70 than the Cobra, but after that it was all Cobra. The 2000 GT felt just like a 5.0 with a full exhaust and intake manifold. Instead of having the power fall off at 4800rpms like in the 5.0, the reworked 4.6 continued to breath to an indicated 5500rpm. Having that extra 700rpms to work with makes all the difference in the world in the topend.

I feel sorry for you guys. Sometimes I think too many in here are brainwashed and don't give much credit to the domestics. If you think a 2k2 Maxima is going to pull on a well driven 99GT, you're sorely mistaken.

The 99+GT weighs 3280lbs. Makes 260hp and 300ft/lbs (if i remember right). The 2k2 Maxima weighs 3280lbs and makes 255hp and 246ft/lbs. On the dyno, the 2k2 Max is making 200fwhp and 220fwtq. A 99+GT is making 225rwhp and 250rwtq. You do the math. Nissan is either overrating the Maxima hp or the drivetrain has become extremely inefficent. Nissan in underrating the torque (I like that). Ford's power rating are right on par for the agreed upon 15% drivetrain loss for a manual. If you look at the 4.6 dyno, you'd see the power bands are longer and continue further on in the rpms. The GT makes peak hp at nearly the same rpm as the 2k2 Maxima. How in the world will the GT get walked?


Dave

mattattax

nice, honest write up/comparison-- i'd love to see an unbiased driver drive both 2k2 cars bonestock (including tires) (with same type of tranny)in a few 1/4 runs, i'm sure it would be interesting

Foglght

I was just thinking. I have a 2k max. I raced with my mods i.e. intake, exhaust, and y-pipe.....a GTP. Now they have 240 hp and 280 tourque. They win off the line by about a car from my first gear. As soon as second hits, i end up passing by just about the time i shift into 3'rd. I am a good 2-3 cars ahead by the end of the quarter. Now I dyno at 203.9hp and 190.4 tourque. That puts me right around the hp numbers that the GTP would, but yet loose in the tourque battle by a lot. I know the gtp isn't THAT heavy, so whats the deal? Crappy drivetrains, bad gearing, and other things can affect the car quite a bit. Also, i've raced a automatic Z28 (a 96). Those have 275hp and 300 tourque. From a roll I will pull away, and I actually have video of that. Funny how these things work.

Dave B

The GTPs problem is the tranny and supercharger. GM makes some awesome automatics. They shift hard, they shift fast, they are strong, and they loose very little to drivetrain loss. The 4T65E tranny in the GTP is sorely undergeared once it hits 3rd at around 85mph. The GTP runs a 2.70 gear vs a 5 speed Maxima runs a 3.82 gear. Gearing and the fact that the GTP makes due with 4 gears, makes for a significant difference in the topend. Since the GTP makes so much torque, the lack of gearing isn't an issue until you try to "strech it legs out" on the highway. Once it hits 3rd, the car doesn't accelerate nearly as well. Another problem with the GTP is it's Roots supercharger. The blower makes boost straight from idle, but it lacks the ability to breath up top which also kills it's topend performance. NOW, if you put a 3.4" pulley, intake, and some exhaust revisions on the GTP, it will fly. That kind of combo is good for mid to high 13s at 98-102mph.

Dave

c5hardtop

How do you fiqure that? I know this a Max board, but get serious. A 215hp mustang is faster than the 222hp Max, and a 260hp is still going to be faster than a 255hp Max. I owned a 96GT for 4 years and 90k miles (with few mechanical problems I might add) and traded it in on a 00 Max SE. The GT was faster, especially in feel, which is the main reason I only kept the Max for 6 months. A 96GT was mag tested by MM&FF to run 14.5@95mph, I don't recall any stock 222hp max besting that.

I've test driven several of the 99+ Mustang GTs, much faster than previous years and they feel faster (and are according to most track times) than the 02+ 255hp Maxs. Untill some some 02 Maxs outrun (or even run close to) the fastest times the 99+ stangs have ran (by some online forum members and MM&FF)... which is down in the 13.8 area with trap speeds as high as 99-102mph, I don't see any reason to believe the new Max will be faster than the new GT. I've test drove a 6sp 02Max and and auto one to, they don't feel as fast as the last GTs I've driven.

I'm still likely going to be a Max (or Altima)... b/c I don't need a another drag car.. just a sporty family car that not to slow.

RussMaxManiac

Someone please shoot my *** if a I get beat my a slow 96-98 GT stang.... Sorry but I have beaten a few of those modded ones....they are not fast.

Trev_Daddy

Not to start anything here...But F bodies have come a long ways in terms of quality...I have a friend that put 105K of hard miles on a '93 Z28 and now has a '98 T/A WS6...They have both been trouble free cars. Performance wise it will walk over stock GT's no prob...Cobra's aren't even a big thing.

Ford needs a major shot in the arm with for their pony cars...

Just my .002....I'd still rather own a Max over both of them any day...

Trevor

Trev_Daddy

People will be happy they bought the Maxima when $hit starts to fall off or rattle in the Mustangs. The domestic cars generally lack the quality of their import counterparts.

Trevor

Amazing2

AMEN!

Like I said before... It rattles like crazy!