Switched my regular D2R Xenons for D2S Ultinon 6000K HID's

BEFORE
http://www.sixthgearonline.com/powel...up%20clean.jpg

AFTER
(AT SOLID STATE! AFTER 10 MINUTES OF DRIVING!)

http://www.sixthgearonline.com/powel...e%20sstate.jpg

 

Big difference!
How much did it cost you?

 

more pictures! more pictures!

so, how much and where to get it? describe any special installs. did you need a different ballast? yo_its_ok...would you be able to swing a deal on this sweet set?

 

Very Nice!

GC

 

Tellem' the price! LOL
K

 

Was this a complete replacement of HID's, or just the bulbs?


GC

 

Bulbs...

 

How much were they on the GD?

 

Looks good.

 

I get them for $230 / pair, My price, I resale them.

Philips Ultinons 6000K D2S
I got the D2S size since I wanted Brighter lights, D2R bulbs have a ceramic shield imprinted on them to reduce glare. With the D2S theyre is slight glare, but a nice purple glare Havent been high beamed yet, only complimented many times

I have a test pair, that i use for pictures, (the ones i took the pics with) that are about 2 days old, and have about 30 minutes of use on them. I might sell them for 225 shipped.

http://www.sixthgearonline.com/powellscar/ultinons

 

if you decide to sell them, i'll take them. it's just a straight bulb swap, right?

 

takes 5 mins! take the old ones out then put the new ones in, and i will warranty them for 5 years! on the bulbs, but if you mess them up then i cant, like you must clean them , dont get grease/or touch the lense, or scratch it, etc. common lighting sense.... and i'll give you 5 years on them man

 

Dang...I want a pair! I want to blind my fellow drivers

 

$250 a pair man, either D2R or D2S, blind, or not to blind, that is the question....

j/p
its doesnt blind drivers

 

I know they won't. I'm just being sarcastic

 

so let me get this straight. for the 2k2 hids, these new bulbs/burners swap out with the oem 'bulbs' with no other mods to the wiring or ballast and you'll get that kind of difference? AND you can sell them for ~225-250?

i think i'm good for a pair.

 

What MY are these for 2k2 or will they work in 2k-2k1?

 

These are HID bulbs. For non-2002 headlights, one can probably get PIAA or some other 'white' bulbs. They wouldn't be too expensive.

I like these, now just have to figure if I should bring the cash. Hard to see the OEM bulbs sitting there collecting dust.

 

02MaximaSE: are those actual pics you took of the before and after with the 2k2 hid stock and with the phillips? the oem looks awefully yellow, even for our 2k2 hids.

btw, aside from nicer color, are these new bulbs any brighter??

 

two diff cameras, top one doesnt do much justice, and its a yellow garage, yes these bulbs light up a BRIGHT BRIGHT BRIGHT blue color! everything looks purple after driving a while, when compared to stock hid, these are alot bluer. Its like the stocks but more blue, but the yellowish light looks much brighter, but I may keep mine, it looks good with the fog lamps on, since it makes the fogs look YELLOW in comparison, my friends say it looks like a GS400 from afar! i might keep them; My ultinons are collecting dust now, awaiting a cam to take more detailed shots. offer stands at $225 shipped. after i take the detailed shots. compare that to $280-290

 

huh?

so the stock ones are actually brighter, with the ultinons having a bluer hue?

 

here are some more pics for you guys

 

I personally IMHO think that the OEM ones look better.. a cleaner white light.. the Philips Ultinons are just way to blue for me. The OEM ones look cleaner cut, not as fuzzy in my opinion...

 

Don't go easy on him now.

I thought you tried them and without splicing in solid state starters the bulbs would burn out in like 4-days? Do the new starters provide normal bulb life expectancy for the 6000K bulbs?

Is the Philips 6000K D2R + Starter: $280/pr.(6000K Upgrade.), still the price your able to sell for withOUT a GD?

I don't have a problem with the price, just the hacking on the stock OEM.

Also, what is your opinion on the "glare issue" of these?

 

yes, im starting to get tired of the blue light, literally, im going to put in my stocks and see if im missing anything.

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solid state starters? umm I dont think you need those on our car. Or any, My buddy has an 01 IS300 with ultinons, had them for months, over 170 hours of burn in, still no problems

 

Dont ruin your own business for yourself...

 

heh, its all about preference, i personally like white/ bluish, these suckers are awesome blue/purple, i installed these for testing, and showing guys who come into the shop, so far 5 have ordered them.

 

Check out:
http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/general-faq.htm
and
http://www.autolamps-online.com/gasdischarge/index.htm

I did a little reading and basically:
Bulb Type---------Watts(W)---Luminous Flux(lm)-----Kelvin(K)
OEM D2R--------------- 35 ------------2800---------------4150
D2S-------------------- 35 ------------3200---------------4250
OEM Philips D2S -------- 35 ------------3200---------------4100
Philips Ultinon D2S------ 35 ------------2400---------------5800

The higher the lm the more output your eyes realize.
The higher the K the more blue.

"A source emitting 10 Watts of yellow light will seem brighter than 10 Watts of blue light, since the eye is a lot more sensitive in the yellow region than in the blue.", Philips webpage.

Basically the trade off is more Kelvin, blue color, for less Luminous Flux, useful output for the human eye.

I also noticed that Philips doesn't say what lm their bulbs are and that they use the "6000K is higher so it's brighter" slogan. Example, "Well now you have the chance to buy product 1900K above normal which is 46% hotter than the standard D2."


My remaining question is whether the D2S provides too much glare over the D2R in a 2K2 housing? The D2S bulbs are designed more for projectors.

 

Yo thats sick, i need to drop out of school and get a job so i can MOD my max like crazy.
Roger

 

nice reasearch! umm, the beam pattern for my ultinons with a d2s bulb in the d2r freeform housing doesnt produce much glare at all to on coming drivers, it has a rightward flare for some weird reason which if examined from far away, seems to throw all the glare to the right, out of oncoming traffics' eyes.



and I havent been high-beamed yet.... i have been high beamed with stock d2r bulbs (since we havent any DLS or ALS on our headlights), when i give it lots of throttle lifing the car up!

as stated by autolampsonline on the Philips Forums:
The Ultinon lamp has a colour temperature of 0.327X 0.312Y (5800K). It is NOT brighter than a standard D2. If you are told it is you are being conned.
heh so much for 6,000K. - some input would be appreciated.

 

How much HWY driving have you done with the D2S bulbs?

I'm concerned about getting highbeamed a lot, since I drive mostly hwy miles. Last trip I took I got flashed EVERY other friggin car(Damn housing is wiggling withOUT the clips!) and it was ANNOYING as hell. However, my hi-beams worked quite well. I just don't want to go through that EVER again.

So who's got the cheapest price on Philips 6000K D2R and D2S bulbs?

 

looks like the standard d2s bulbs are the way to go, brighter and a bit bluer. any ideas on cost/source for these? plug and play?

 

Well Philips(link above) sells them for $290/pr. shipped.

Hogan(yo_its_ok) said originally $250/pr., but then he said you needed the solid state starter and both together would be $280. However, it sounds like he may not be in the HID business anymore, so I'll keep looking into it.

Are you not worried about the glare of the D2S?

 

li'l bit. i don't want to blind oncoming traffic, but we have a fairly definitive cutoff with the 2k2 lights.

 

Hey fellaz, this might be a stupid noob question, but doesnt the 2k2 GLE come stock with Xenons? If so, why put these in? Let me know- I'm plannin on gettin a Mack-Sim-Sima in a couple months and I'm just tryin to learn all the **** i can on mods. Thanks.

 

Yes, these are just much BLUER than the stock white HIDs that come on all 2K2 Maximas.

 

so...who makes and sells line #2? (3200lum @ 4250k)





i dunno what your opinions are in re: to our stock hid's but they are weak compared to most others. (the acura cl's seems to be the weakest in my option)

 

Philips and Osram, These are Philips specs... D2R these bulbs are offered in OEM Projector Applications. Our car comes with D2R
Copyright Philips North America...


D2R has a ceramic sheilding printed on the bulb, therefore reducing some lumens, and color (K) temp. Less/no glare

D2S bulbs have no shield yeilding more lumens, and color temp. More glare

 

I bought my Phillips kit before most people had the proper H4 mounting. I was "conned" into getting the D2S and they do produce ALOT of side glare. I had to put a 2in tape on the bottem of my lens to give a solid(this really works) cut beam. I think it was yo_its_ok who showed me the proper D2R beam pattern which byitself had the proper beam cut. Here is a cut of what xenonshop sent to me to explain the lighting:

The D2S and the D2R lamps have been designed for us in specific HID housings. They both produce around 3000+ lumens and work best in reflector/projector that is designed for that amount of light. The main difference between the two is the metal shielding. But I know what you are
thinking: the shielding will block the light from going above the horizon... but the shielding on a h4 halogen filament and a D2R HID lamp is very different. The Halogen shield is over the top of the filament restricting light flow. On the D2R lamp the shielding is on the sides and it is a very narrow stripe. This is used in conjunction with the HID specific reflector to achieve the color and beam pattern that is desired. The HID reflector has the correct geometry to that uses the positioning of these stripes to filter out some of the yellow color and achieve the desired beam pattern.

This doesn't apply to a halogen reflector as it is not designed for those stripes in the side positioning.

Now with regards to the color: All both the D2R and the D2S lamps are made of the same components. They both have the salts in the capsule to reduce heat. When a brand new lamp is turned on the salts settle to the bottom and the light is emitted in all directions. But a yellowier light is emitted down and a whiter (more purple) light is emitted up due to gravity affecting the salts. This is common. HID reflectors use this phenomenon to give you that blue/purple light output. Even oem HID lights up close have the same characteristics (white/yellowish light). Now keep in mind that after about 50 or so hours some of the salts due burn off and you will have a more white light. Also if you ever notice what your lights look like from a distance they will be more white/blue then yellow. It is a combination of the viewing angle and the optics. Also the D2R lamp actually produces 200 less lumens and a lower color temp. due to this strip which makes the color less bright.

 

yeah wnen i got my first hid kit in my honda accord the hid conversion resellers were saying the same thing, personally i think they didnt have any d2r bulbs to offer, heh, but yeah, I waited for the D2R bulbs and had not bad of a cutoff.

the reason that I got the Philips Ultinons in D2S, was because I wanted more light out of the lumen affected Ultinon bulb, which yeilds less lumens then conventional xenon, I DO have some glare, but with OEM sheilding and optics, it limits the glare but doenst eliminate it like D2R bulbs would, I've devised many shields for conversions and some OEM apps to yeild more color, I got my ultinons for 25% less than retail since Im a reseller and test bulbs, and use my car as demo at shops here. I got the D2S and D2R, the D2r's in ultinon form will be in my hands shortly, which will allow me to determine how much more glare is produced with S vs. R.

For anyone who wants the ultinons or to convert their older Maxima H4 halogens to HID I would strongly suggest D2R bulbs, like starstreak stated, he was conned into getting D2S bulbs, which DO produce more glare, unless you have projector lights.

Anyone interested in Philips Ultinon bulbs, D2R's or even D2S at your own discretion. I can provide these for $250 / pair Shipped. I'll even give a 5 Year Warranty on the bulbs, against defections.