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04-02-2002, 08:08 AM
#41
Originally posted by lcf
depends what you consider economic gain, doesnt it?
land = money = economic gain
if i remember my history correctly, this country rode on the backs of
negros and then there was the removal of native americans too.
you think the native americans would agree with your
above statement? stop being so naive, sir.
why do people blind themselves into thinking we are all saints?
depends what you consider economic gain, doesnt it?
land = money = economic gain
if i remember my history correctly, this country rode on the backs of
negros and then there was the removal of native americans too.
you think the native americans would agree with your
above statement? stop being so naive, sir.
why do people blind themselves into thinking we are all saints?
This country was founded by emperialism...our founding fathers came and conquered. They are oh so evil....
Show me a major world player that wasn't involved in expansionism in the 18th and 19th centuries. Show me the countries that have participated in expansionism in the 20th Century...Hmmm, Soviet Union, **** Germany, Imperial Japan, Iraq.....ya, they got really far didn't they? Point is, expansionism is part of WORLD HISTORY as well as US history. In the 20th Century, the US decided to quit being involved in that. The US did not want to get involved in WWI or WWII. It was drawn into both wars by direct acts of aggression against this country and her citizens. We became involved in later wars (Korea and Vietnam) in an attempt to Hedge communism.
Let's look at US commonwealth countries right now and see how they are doing. Hmmm, Puerto Rico? A nice, rich country in a poor part of the world (latin america) with religious and political freedom in a region dominated by third world mentalities and dictatorships...
How about American Samoa, Guam, the Marshall Islands, Hawaii. Can you say freedom and economic prosperity? Then there are others that for their own reasons, chose not to be commonwealth nations. Where are they now? Cuba, oh, Cuba is doing really well. The Phillipenes, lived there as a kid. Um, that is a poor country, politically instable, truly third world. There are many more examples.
Does the US exercise influence on the world? Absolutely, it's economics my friend. Should it be allowed to protect its interests and citizens? Um, ya, I think it should. Is the United States of America better than other countries? Damn Straight. I've lived in seven, including Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Argentina, Phillipenes, Canada, the United States, and the Navajo Nation. Been in MANY more than that for long periods of time. Have you? Without fail, ninety percent of the people in those foreign countries would drop everything they have to have a shot at living in the US and experiencing the freedoms and prosperity we have here.
Have you studied these things, or have you allowed left-wing liberal social communist rhetoric to cloud your little undergrad mind?
You, my friend, are a sorry excuse for an American. Are you against what our armed forces are doing right now? If so, would you be if your wife or mom or son had been in the WTC? I don't think you will answer that question honestly.
04-02-2002, 08:31 AM
#42
Originally posted by lcf
they killed people. killing people is wrong. but theyre not jealous of us. cmon we are totally
different societies, haha. what is there to be jealous of? the extremist factions go as far
as to hate us and attack us. why? because they see what we are... a money machine. of course,
thats not ALL we are, we're loving good people. they choose not to see this. they see us as
people who come to their land and use their resources.
i do believe that if the states stayed neutral and never meddled in the
affairs in that part of the world again... they would not
surmount another attack. well, perhaps out of spite they would... but thats holding a grudge
and living in the past. we're all guilty of this sometimes.
i agree though, its too late to
pull back. turn the other cheek? forget that. i have no problem with our special forces there
kicking butt. but i DO realize and understand the simple yet complex question of... WHY?
do you understand why our government is always up to their noses in
the middle east? id like to hear your opinion.
they killed people. killing people is wrong. but theyre not jealous of us. cmon we are totally
different societies, haha. what is there to be jealous of? the extremist factions go as far
as to hate us and attack us. why? because they see what we are... a money machine. of course,
thats not ALL we are, we're loving good people. they choose not to see this. they see us as
people who come to their land and use their resources.
i do believe that if the states stayed neutral and never meddled in the
affairs in that part of the world again... they would not
surmount another attack. well, perhaps out of spite they would... but thats holding a grudge
and living in the past. we're all guilty of this sometimes.
i agree though, its too late to
pull back. turn the other cheek? forget that. i have no problem with our special forces there
kicking butt. but i DO realize and understand the simple yet complex question of... WHY?
do you understand why our government is always up to their noses in
the middle east? id like to hear your opinion.
Liberalism is one giant paradox, and I think one that ultimately seeks to destroy our country!
Also, prior to 9-11, President Bush was being criticized by many because he did not want to meddle as much in the affairs of the world. But remember, we did not hijack their planes and crash them into the most populated city in their country!
YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND "WHY"!
Now to answer your question. A large part of our problem in the Middle East stems from our historical alliance with Israel, and you know that. Another is that Extremist Islam is incompatible with ANY non islamic state! Saudi Arabians are historically bedowins, travelling traders. They adopted ISLAM later, so for mainstream Saudi's doing business is their history and identity. That is part of the reason we have always gotten along so well with them. The middle east is not our problem, extremist Islam that seeks to destroy Israel and any other NON-Islamic states is the problem. Islam is a peaceful religion, right? Well Extremist or Fundamentalist-Islam is not. Extremist Islam is EXPANSIONIST by nature, it beleives that all non-beleivers should be erradicated or converted. Sounds like colonialism and expansionism to me. Sounds also like the Crusades centuries ago. But like I said in a previous post, that faded away with the end of the 19th century, but apparently not in the 21st century Middle East.
So if you are going to get on your high horse about how America was so Imperialist in the 1700's and 1800's, then maybe you should ride that same horse into the mid-east and tell them to quit......
I encourage you to do it in uniform....with a big red white and blue on your shoulder.
04-02-2002, 08:38 AM
#43
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,151
Originally posted by lcf
they killed people. killing people is wrong. but theyre not jealous of us. cmon we are totally
different societies, haha. what is there to be jealous of? the extremist factions go as far
as to hate us and attack us. why? because they see what we are... a money machine. of course,
thats not ALL we are, we're loving good people. they choose not to see this. they see us as
people who come to their land and use their resources.
i do believe that if the states stayed neutral and never meddled in the
affairs in that part of the world again... they would not
surmount another attack. well, perhaps out of spite they would... but thats holding a grudge
and living in the past. we're all guilty of this sometimes.
i agree though, its too late to
pull back. turn the other cheek? forget that. i have no problem with our special forces there
kicking butt. but i DO realize and understand the simple yet complex question of... WHY?
do you understand why our government is always up to their noses in
the middle east? id like to hear your opinion.
they killed people. killing people is wrong. but theyre not jealous of us. cmon we are totally
different societies, haha. what is there to be jealous of? the extremist factions go as far
as to hate us and attack us. why? because they see what we are... a money machine. of course,
thats not ALL we are, we're loving good people. they choose not to see this. they see us as
people who come to their land and use their resources.
i do believe that if the states stayed neutral and never meddled in the
affairs in that part of the world again... they would not
surmount another attack. well, perhaps out of spite they would... but thats holding a grudge
and living in the past. we're all guilty of this sometimes.
i agree though, its too late to
pull back. turn the other cheek? forget that. i have no problem with our special forces there
kicking butt. but i DO realize and understand the simple yet complex question of... WHY?
do you understand why our government is always up to their noses in
the middle east? id like to hear your opinion.
This post was about wishing a soldier farewell and you are gonna end up getting this thread closed, Shame on you!! For example,I bet your negative opinoins would change if Al Quada (sp?) came to your town and blew sh#t up and killed your family.
04-02-2002, 08:54 AM
#44
Thank you all for supporting Billy
I would like a moderator to please lock this thread. I would delete it but I feel that it should be visible to other members. But I want to thank everyone including myself for taking this thread and walking away from its meaning.
04-02-2002, 09:05 AM
#45
Re: Thank you all for supporting Billy
Originally posted by SLC I30t
I would like a moderator to please lock this thread. I would delete it but I feel that it should be visible to other members. But I want to thank everyone including myself for taking this thread and walking away from its meaning.
I would like a moderator to please lock this thread. I would delete it but I feel that it should be visible to other members. But I want to thank everyone including myself for taking this thread and walking away from its meaning.
Come home safe.
04-02-2002, 09:09 AM
#46
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 581
I've seen it before. Lcf is one of those young socialists who thinks that capitalism is a dirty word. He thinks it's clever to put down our desire to profit, make money and prosper. He mocks wealth. He thinks the proof of our country's weakness is our desire for foreign oil.
But he doesn't realize that capitalism is the vehicle that assures democracy and all our other freedoms. He doesn't understand that our we represent unbridled access to pursue wealth, success and all the joys it brings. Communists, socialists and discontents like him find this offensive, and they look for arenas to put us down.
Be weary of him, for in his discourse belittling America for protecting our oil interests, he is really after the dismantling of our democracy in favor of some sort of totalitarian state where he would have some elite leadership and power role. He doesn't know it, but every time he opens his mouth he makes us all realize that we must defend our freedoms over and over again, and we thank God for the young men and women who serve in our armed forces to do just that.
But he doesn't realize that capitalism is the vehicle that assures democracy and all our other freedoms. He doesn't understand that our we represent unbridled access to pursue wealth, success and all the joys it brings. Communists, socialists and discontents like him find this offensive, and they look for arenas to put us down.
Be weary of him, for in his discourse belittling America for protecting our oil interests, he is really after the dismantling of our democracy in favor of some sort of totalitarian state where he would have some elite leadership and power role. He doesn't know it, but every time he opens his mouth he makes us all realize that we must defend our freedoms over and over again, and we thank God for the young men and women who serve in our armed forces to do just that.
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