I was riding with my brother in his new Maxima tonight lookin for some races, heres what happened:

As we're cruising along we get up next to this yellow S2000. We are paceing him side by side and the guy looks over and stares at us for a few seconds... then the guy downshifts, his engine is screaming and then he takes off so Adam punches it in 2nd gear..

Our torque pulls us ahead of him by half a car and the whole way up to 110 he stays at our door. The guy inched up maybe a foot tops, but stayed at my door. Adam stayed on the gas till the guy gave up which was at 110mph then he turned off like a *** hehe.

After that, we stop by at home to grab my Bel Vecotr95 out of my car so we can have a little protection against the cops. Our friend James called so we drop by and pick him up, we now have 3 ppl in the Maxima.

I called 99Prelude_LC (cai/header/exhaust) and we met up with him and his GF who brought her new Sony digital camcorder along. We raced LC a few times from a 20 punch till 90 we pulled about 2 cars on him mostly in 3rd gear. We did a few other punches but the results were all about the same.

Then, all night long, we seemed to stumble across this newbody auto Mustang GT. It was black, lowered with drag radials and loud exhaust in addition to Steeda and other aftermarket part stickers on it. It sounded pretty mean, so LC and my brother were both kinda scared and hesitant to race it at first. But after toying around with the new Stang for awhile we got lined up at a stoplight and decided to give it a run. This was my brother's first time to ever launch his car but I'd say he did pretty well. He managed to get the Mustang out of the hole by a nose and the race was Really close. By 90 the Mustang had only inched about a nose ahead of us then shutdown coz of a red light ahead.

At the next stoplight We got a humungus jumpstart on the StangGT and beat his ***. I was looking back and watching LC try to race the Stang which was pretty cool to see, but the Stang pulled ahead of him in 3rd, hehe.

Overall, the new Maxima has impressed me alot. His Place Racing CAI arrives on Monday. Maybe if ya'll R lucky, LC will upload some of these vids.

 

Nice. Im not quite sure I can beat a 2K2 Stang.... Maybe an auto. A co - worker has a 5speed 2K2, I drove it, it's stock and pulls HARD !

 

As far as the Stang, he probably had the Steeda sticker and exhaust and that's it =)

Cuz we all know (ad nauseum) that the new GT (especially with street slicks) is a bullet.

BTW, how'd you know it was an auto?

 

yeah the Mustang sounded mean and with all those "performance" stickers on it, we were scared of it but after awhile we decided to give it a run. If you listen to the way a car shifts, you can tell if its an Auto or a Manual... and this guy was an Automatic.

Theres no doubt in my mind, that if James and I jumped out of the maxima to make it a fair race, the Maxima would have been able to overcome that half car deficit and win.

 

I don't know about the "sound" indicating the car was an automatic, but the facts of the race seem to point toward the car having a slushbox.

BUT... are you sure it wasn't a V6? Steeda makes a variety of parts for it, including a dual-exhaust, and with tires it might be hard to tell (for the uninitiated).

The fact that there were stickers all over the car gives a hint that it may be a version of American "rice", with the driver thinking that a couple of bucks in speed parts makes his car a mid-12's kinda ride.

Just MHO.

 

Yes I was the one driving... its obvious what a v8 with exhaust sounds like..and yes its obvious what an automatic soundslike.. if we ever get the videos up, you'll probably beable to tell from them.

 

Then, no offense to your driving skills, but the kid in the Stang obviously didn't know what he was doing. If you were able to jump him off the line with a 255-hp front driver, what rpm did you launch at?

I know in my '00 stick, I can't launch at anything higher than 2.5k without breaking the tires loose (albeit with the sh*tty Potenzas).

A Stang with racing radials should have clobbered your 60-ft time. I could see you dragging him down after a couple of secs, though.

And as far as the exhaust, have you ever heard the 6 through dual pipes? The sound is very similar...

 

Yes I have heard v6 through dual pipes and IMHO they can sound a little mean in their own way but really dont have the v8 charateristic sound. He also had the mustang GT rims and a saleen? spoiler.
I know what you mean about the mustang having the ability to beat me off the line... but for some reason my tires hooked at 3500 quick slip and the majority of "beating" him off the line was by tree'ing him at the light.

 

Nice kills

The V6 Mustang (193 hp) is a dog. If he were racing the V6 he woulda smoked it bad.

 

Look, we know the difference between a V6 Stang and a V8 Stang.
We've been street and strip racing for many years now and have encountered enough of these cars to know what is what

I can understand if you want 2 be a skeptic, that's fine. But I promise you everything went according to the story i wrote up there and hopefully my buddy will get the videos uploaded so you can see for yourself. You will see the GT badges, GT rims, and HEAR the sound of the V8.

Taking people off the line at a stoplight race isnt hard. Most of the jump comes from a better reaction time! I did hear the Stang spinning at the start, too which costed him a little bit of time.

Are you sad because you get beat by Mustang GTs all the time or something? Seriously, an Automatic Mustang GT is not unbeatable, lol!
If you read the story I said the Mustang pulled Ahead of us and won! BUT we had 2 extra passengers so I think that 1 on 1 the Maxima would take the win. And on the second race, my brother treed the hell out of the Mustang and left him on the line.

 

Quite the opposite, I've owned and raced Mustangs for the past couple of decades, and to be honest, the Stang driver should be rightfully embarrassed.

It's one thing to get beat by modded Camaro SS's and the like (running low 13's/high 12's) but to get beat by a stock 2k2 SE is downright shameful.

Again, I don't want to hear from all the Max faithful, cuz I bought a '00 SE over a new GT, since the fit and finish are in a different league.

My advice to the Stang owner is, strip off those stickers so you don't become a moving target for every high-14 second car on the road.

My advice to all the Max owners, cruise that neighborhood and whip that GT, everybody needs a kill now and then...

 

Wow, if you've street raced for decades then you should know above all else that unexpected things happen.

I was the 3rd, James, in the back seat of the Max. It was a GT Auto, lowered, exhaust dumps, and other goodies that I know I couldn't see. At the most, he had us by a car, maybe a car and a half.

Like you said, he really didn't know what he was doing. I could tell that he didn't know how to drag race which is sad because his car has so much potential.

How do we know its an automatic? In his 1st-2nd shift, you could hear the tranny pause while trying to match RPMs for about a half a second. He only went through 3 gears. The first 3 gears on a Mustang GT 5 speed do not wind out to ~100 mph. Taller gearing, like that in automatics would do that.

So case in point. He still beat us. Just not by much. Had Odum been alone, I'm sure he would have been almost dead even, if not a hair faster.

 

Not if you're good. A tip for the Stang driver, install a Baumann tranny kit and eliminate the driveline slop. Everyone knows the AOD-E responds well to valve-body calibrations and a decent torque converter. All you should have heard on the 1-2 shift was his tires barking.

I'm very interested to see the vid-clips. If you've ever bracket-raced, you know it's all about consistency, and a properly set-up auto tranny should give repeatable results. It ain't like you need to kick the clutch or anything...

Otherwise, I guess the kid's Mustang was built on a Monday or something. And he should be calling Vin at Steeda for a refund.

 

The guy wasn't a good driver, which is hard to achieve in an auto, but nonetheless he was. In proper hands, I have no doubt that his car could have put an easy 3+ cars on Odums max (assuming he had al the work that I think he had)


What should have happened/heard didn't happen, its that simple. Is that too hard to accept?

 

The 190hp V6 Mustang (5spd) was tested against a similarly equipped Camaro in either Motortrend or Car and Driver and pulled a 7.0 0-60 and a 15.1 quarter mile. So they can be fast, and give a Maxima a run for its money. I think the auto v6 would be around 8.0 0-60.

A friend of mine has a 00 GT 5spd. I raced him from a 60mph roll and was able to beat him to 100 everytime. We raced from a stop and he annihilated me though.

--Ray

 

Ok, maybe I should have specified the Auto. I rented one of these and it felt like a 4 banger.

Besides, this thread is about a 2K2 vs V6 Stang. Like I said before, the 2K2 will smoke it.

 

okay, a few points that some people seem to be getting mixed up.

The race was a 2002 Maxima SE 6speed against a latest body styled Mustang GT Automatic with Steeda and other various stickers. All we could tell the mustang had was exhaust.. and by the way it ran, that's prolly all it had. We never said it was a 'true' Steeda.

Now, lots of people on this forum have proved the maxSE 6spd to be a low-mid 14second car. What does an Automatic Mustang GT run? low-mid 14's.

Thanks, just thought I'd clear that up.

 

he wasn't really racing you..
i raced with both 2k2 max and gt before.... in fact.. i just raced a GT tonight. the GT had me for 3 car length... the most i ever loose to a 2k2 max is <1 car length... gt is so much faster..

 

What are you guys smoking in here? You seem to think the new Mustang is 'gods own chariot'.....hmmm, why does that title sound familiar..lol.

Look at the time I ran below bone stock. That day I was beating new Bullits by a tenth or so. Now, obviously an expert driver could have creamed me, but he wasn't, and he didn't. Now as far as PlanoSER and Odums story....I have known them for a while on preludeonline.com. They are both VERY GOOD drivers. Probably a tad better than actually, so that plays in it a lot. He said he hooked up instantly and the Rustang spun. That accounts for it right there. Its not like it was at the legal drag strip where the Mustang could have sat there and spun for three tenths and subsequently got a lower 1/4 mile time after he hooked up. It is all about reaction time and jumping your opponent on the street.

Hey Odum and Plano, get your Maxima to the track and get some numbers for us! The time to beat (stock) is below . I wont be stock after tomorrow since that is when all my mods (wheels/tires, suspension, frankencar intake, etc) arrive.

 

Hey ArcRSX-S, aren't you the guy I asked to race sometime in Atlanta with me? I'm 'ZoominLude' over at the RSX board. You make a good point. Assuming you raced a 6speed Max, your car length loss makes sense. From what I've gathered, RSX-S modded like yours are high 14 second cars whereas Maxima 6speeds are low 14 second cars. Thats a significant diffence, but on the street you could have the jump or hooked up better and brought that down difference down to less than a car length. I'm still on for an Atlanta track day whenever you are free . Nice looking car by the way

 

hey what's up ""ZoominLude"",
no wonder your sig looks familar...

now back to the topic..
ya i gotta agree with you that people can some time jump start or spun their tires too much.. mustang gt are certainly NOT UNBEATABLE on street race, but they do have much bigger advantage against max or rsx-s.. eventhough GT's 1/4 mile is not that much better than 2k2 max, but their 0-60 is fairly good...even lower than a wrx.

 

Yeah, I guess your right. I usually prefer the drag strip since most of the variables are accounted for.

 

by the way...
i didn't mean to ignore your question..
ya let's go to the track some time in may.... after i am done with my finals.. (ya.. i am still a student)..
does commerce sound okay to you?..

ya.. take it to the track.. it's safer too..
this will make you think twice before doing street racing
for other people who hasn't seen these pictures...

 

I'm not real familiar with the tracks in the Atlanta area but I've heard that Silverdollar is the better of the two. I'll let you decide though since you probably know better. I too am a student so anytime in late May will be great with me. By that time (actually after this weekend) I will no longer be stock. I'll have a host of suspension mods along with an intake and pulleys.

 

If I'm not mistaken, the WRX runs to 60 in 5.4 (Motortrend)..a GT will run 5.5 So there's about even-unless the GT spins...WRX will hook up fast.

 

kloogy, your car looks great. I love the color, esp with clear corners!

 

And this was stock? With the maxima? I may have read this post wrong. How about a 2k2 Max with Air intake and Exhaust? 6 Speed?
With a matching drivers in that scenario.......... the Max wins.
unfortunnately you are comparing this car outside it's realms.... Lets talk more Honda and Acura!