http://www.hypertechnokraft.com/product.php?item[id]=260

go there....i think i am going to get these.....but it doesn't say if the shocks are adjustible....do yall think they are?...how do yall think they will ride??

thanks
albert

 

Wow, I'm definitely getting these. 1450 is a great price for some real coilovers. Yay! Finally something for us 5th gens!

 

SF-1 A33 Maxima 00~

Manufactured with 36mm twin tube design pistons, these are ideal for a street/weekend racer setup. They are height adjustable and fully rebuildable. Although many are in stock, some of these hand built setups are special order and require a 4-8 week wait.



im EXTREMELY interested in these... how do i know how low they will go?

also, i have another really dumb question since i dont know SHlT about dropping cars. what else do i have to buy to drop my car?

 

FINALLY.. And if they install with no problem the price is right.

 

Someone HAS to try these and REPORT back.

I've heard JIC makes good stuff, but I want some testimonials.

 

when you get those...thats all youll need....i am ordering them next month....so i'll be the first 5th gen with them.....i cant wait!!!.....i am going to sell them d*a*m*n eibachs.... .....others should buy them also...they look awesome!

albert

 

for sure...keep us posted

 

what shock/strut setup do you have with the eibachs? stock?

see this is what i mean, if i buy these coilovers, do i need to spend another 3 bills on new struts? or am i totally confused and have no idea what im talking about?

 

your confused..dogg!!!...i have stock struts...and the ride is OK....it looks cool as hell check out my site...if you get these coilovers....its like buying a whole new suspension setup....they will and should last forever....the shocks wont wear out like stock struts do on lowering springs....these JIC coilovers' springs and shocks that come in the setup are made for each other....so when you get them....your good FOREVER

 

ahhhhhh, so "coilovers" are stocks and struts put together? see i did not know this; i thought coilovers were a kind of springs which required struts too!!

so, let me ask you another question, how are these things adjusted? do i have to jack the car up and use a certain tool? do i press a button? (hahaha i wish).

ground control makes coilovers right? isnt the ride usually really sucky with these? very stiff?

sorry for asking so much.

 

www.digitalracer.com has those too, I just e-mailed them for a quote, they have free shipping too!!

 

Coilovers are a single unit spring/strut piece. The advantages of this design is that you can mate the correct spring rate to the correct rebound/dampening. Generally coilovers have a number of adjustments you can make. Ride height, dampening, rebound, camber, caster, toe.

Ground controls are not true coilovers, and yes, they do require some sort of strut. They are a "sleeve type" coilover that is basically a spring with an ajustable thread sleeve that will allow you to change the height of your drop.

Unless you are involved in some sort of motorsport, (autox, road racing, rally, show, drag) coilovers are a waste of money for you. The main benefit is the ability to make fine tuned adjustments to your handling during extreme driving situations.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

 

it does! thanks dood!!

i understand what you mean when you say that unless i autox, etc it would be a waste of money for coilovers. however, i want a nice even drop. as far as ive seen on the board, no spring/strut combination has done that. even maxspeeds! im willing to pay for what i really WANT! see money vs. status thread hahahaha.



btw, can anyone tell how exactly one goes about "adjusting?"

is it a time consuming process?

would it be practical to drop it often?

like when parked in front of my apt (it would look so bada$$)!!!

lastly, how big is the drop?

 

JIC coilovers are top of the line bar non one of the best racing suspension engineers on the market. The feel of this suspension when compared to anything on the market for the A33 MAX will be untouchable. This setup is on my list of goodies and im prepared to make my car ride on rails....

 

Coilovers

- Don't buy them unless you plan on racing the car you're buying them for. Otherwise, it's a waste of money to have the degree of adjustability that's associated with the setup.

- JICs in particular are extremely harsh (also depends on the spring rate you go with). My friend's Z has them and his JICs are set at the SOFTEST setting... riding in his car makes my man **** shake...NOT good for a daily driver.

Spending $1500 for a coilover setup on a daily driven car that is never (or hardly) raced is dumber than putting neon underbody glows on a lifted truck.

Also, there's something called tuning... 90% of you will NOT tune your coilovers properly and therefore will not see the complete benefit of a coilover setup. How do I know? Let's review how many posts about windshield washer lamps or momo e-brake handles there are on this board.

If you want to spend your money on an extremely stiff suspension, by all means... do so. But, when you come back and post how your suspension is too stiff.. I'll be laughing (along with JIC who now has your money).

Sorry if that seems harsh... but just think about the cost vs actual NEED of a coilover setup...makes MUCH more sense to stick with ground controls and some tokicos or something.

 

i suspected it'd be a harsh ride.

question: do GCs give a even drop?

 

They are ONLY height adjustable. Plus, GC are the only other worthy height adjustable suspension option, but are VERY noisy by design flaws, which JIC may or may not have.

Does your friend have the SF-1 model or one of the other setups?

Different strokes for different folks. Just cause you don't FEEL it's necessary doesn't mean squat.

Tuning? It's only height adjustable. Not that hard to "tune". How does MOMO brake handles, windshield washer lamps, etc. determine who is going to properly "tune"(raise/lower) the height of their ride? Your sounding a bit bitter lately.

That is why some of us are waiting patiently for someone to try these out BEFORE jumping on the bandwagon.

Ground controls are a poor noisy design that hopefully the JICs aren't. Tokicos? I hope you meant Koni or at least modified AGXs.

 

I stand corrected

So, the JICs are ONLY height adjustable? And they cost $1500? hmmm. Great deal.

GCs = $300 (and you can get custom spring rates)
Tokicos = $150/ea?

$900 for the same setup as the JIC, except the JICs are matched and will probably last longer...i dunno... that extra $600 isn't quite worth it.

The rebound, damper, height adjustables. Impressive coilover system. shakes the crap out of everything. Thought my intrax/koni setup was stiff... his tyres flex before his suspension.

It relates to the reasoning behind things. 90% of the people on this board are concerned with looks over performance. I mean, it makes sense, if they wanted a performance car w/o thinking of looks, they would have gotten a WRX or a Camaro.

nah, just overwhelmed by some of the threads recently.


Tokicos are moderate shocks. Far from the best. MUCH better than the KYBs, IMHO. I hate KYBs. I had Tokico Illuminas on my Supra. worked great. I had KYBs on my CRX, blew out in a month. Konis are my favorite, except the whole insert thing isn't exactly desirable for the Maxima.

oh well.

 

I agree that's steep, but then again MOST Maxima parts are going to cost more since there is less demand.

I'm pretty sure GC are around $400(I could be wrong), but the AGX/Koni are close to $500, right? So still $900 vs. $1450 like you said, but the NOISE and harshness of GC would make JICs worth it, IF JICs don't have these.

I agree a matched system(spring, shock, adjustable pertch, top hat) is a much better idea than a pieced together system of GC w/Konis(must be modified to fit) or GC w/AGXs which are "home-made" by Cattman and don't have a warranty. To me something that WORKS 100% the way it should STRAIGHT out of the box is WORTH the $600 and then some. I know that's BS, but again I don't have too many choices.

This worries me the MOST. I drive MOSTLY hwy, but I love to attack the curves near double the posted limits. Any idea how well JIC will handle hwy vs. city travel?

I still don't see your logic, but that's me. 90%? I'd say less, but there isn't much else to do that doesn't cost an arm&leg. IMO someone such as myself who bought a 4-door moderate performance sedan, will most likely be inclined to go for the OVERALL package, not just performance. I prefer audio/video, suspension, performance, AND looks. Basically, anything that can be improved, will be.

I know what your feeling. However, I think it is better to just leave things as they may, instead of attacking or throwing out blanket statements, because all it does is REV up all the ego maniacs.

So far everyone I've talked to has HATED the tokicos, so I was surprised a autoXer(correct lingo?) would recommend those over Konis or AGXs. I've drove Cattmans' 4th gen with his coilovers which use AGXs and they are pretty good IMO and very liveable.

How much drop did your CRX have on those AGXs? I assume your autoX are VERY hard on your shocks, but a month? I'm wondering if your springs are to low for the AGXs and put them out of the "centered" position, which will kill ANY strut/shock in no time.

 

This is just a quick update for the JIC system...I was the one that was ordering the system for rob van dam, I just got off the phone with JIC in california, and here is the latest. The SF-1 system will no longer be produced for the A33 chasis. The only system that will be available for the Maxima is the FLT-A2 system which can be fully adjusted height, rebound, dampening, comes with camber plates, struts,(its a full coilover system). They said and I quote "People that drive maximas are a more knoledgeable and more mature than say people that drive Civics so the full coilover system will be a better ride for this car. So this is the only system that will be available in the US for the A33 chasis(Max). The list price for these is $1850. But let me know if your going to be interested in these, I spoke to them and they said that if we get a few together than he could drop the price. The release date for this suspension will be JULY. Let me know if you have any questions.

 

Agreed. I just believe there's a line between reasonable and overpriced. I feel it's the name on the suspension you're paying more for than the performance.

I've ridden in Adman's 00' SE and i didn't hear too much suspension noise. He's running GCs (one of the first ones to have the setup). Not saying it isn't present..just wonder if some lubicant could be added to decrease the excessive noise.

I took my friend's Z out for a drive. This was after he had the suspension set up and about 400rwhp w/ lower gearing (NA rear end). The car handled superbly.... accelerated like a bat out of hell (he ran 2.2 60' at 12.60@115mph?, insanely fast). The car however, is too damn stiff for any kind of cruising. The suspension can be heard and EVERYTHING shakes. I kid you not, any lose skin or any fat on your body shakes with ruthless determination with his JICs. I'm sure the kit for the Maxima is going to be softer, but, i'm questioning HOW much softer.

The KYBs are pretty soft (as well as konis with the right springs matched up)... but let me clarify, the tokicos are NOT better than konis. I personally live by Konis now. I don't recommend anything else, except for Konis in a dual-driver (raced and daily driven). KYBs are much better for daily driven, but strictly race? crap. That's my experience.

There's no difference in the actual lowering of the car (used the same bump stops and sleeves between the shocks, and springs). The AGXs just couldn't handle the rigors of autocross and road racing. My friend had a set on his CRX, they lasted two weeks... and he daily drove his. But, it was probably due to the eibachs he was using.

 

I am going to pick these up in a week or so. Beat you to it rob!!

 

What's going on? Are these available or what? LOL