Did someone compare a S4 to a 330ci. A 330 will blow the doors off a S4! The 330ci is a beast. I wouldn't even compare it to a Max(price or performance). Two different cars, throw that comparison out.

 

the "ci" would be the convertable....

 

Wrong. The S4 is the beast. All wheel drive. Twin turbo. Easily
tunable for a ****load more horsepower. Actually a good value at
42K. It is pretty hard to add horsepower at a reasonable price
to the 330.

 

Hey Diederik,

Haven't had a chance to really test it yet. Still trying to work a deal with Don for the VB mod. It feels great going from 50 to 90 in 4 seconds. I wish you had had the time to let me yank the VB, tranny cooler, and torque converter off your car before they sold it Now I gotta max out my credit card to get it all

 

I am not you DMan, I am glad you like your new car, if I had the money I would buy one too, (or maybe a loaded 02 A4 and mod the hell out of it,) but where the HELL did you get that 0-60 time for the 330 5-spd? Out of thin air? Every posted time for 0-60 for the new 330 5-spd that I have seen (including BMW's own site) is in the 6.4-6.6 range 0-60... No fair making up numbers...

 

Motor Trend May 2001 issue!!! So no I'm not pulling #s out of the sky.

 

yes, MT is the only car mag with a downhill testing facility.



use car and driver times.

some CD times are at carstats.com

 

That's why I paid $399 extra to extend the maintenance free period from 3yrs/36K miles to 4yrs/50K miles.

 

I too am somewhat skeptical about those times and feel it is more int the neighborhood of 6.4 seconds for 0-60. I was flipping through that issue and wanted to mess with Russ.

 

...Well, I am sorry, but I just don't buy that claim. I don't care how good a RWD car is geared, power to weight ratio means more than anything else. And you take 3300lbs. curb weight + 225hp and even less torque and it does not = 6.1 for 0-60... That is just not reality, 5spd or no 5spd. Now you go to the track and produce a timeslip with that number, and I will bow down and declare you the master of the racetrack...

...We all know Motor Trend is BMW-crazy... I like em' too, but I know too much about physics to believe that car runs a stock 6.1...

 

I have heard (and I repeat I have only heard this) that BMW underrates the actual horsepower and torque on their cars. I have also seen several dyno plots where guys are putting down 205 RWHP which would translate to 241 hp at the crank if you account for a 15% drivetrain loss. COULD be a factor!!

 

...Are these guys w/ 205rwhp running bone stock??? If not that is possible, but if they are running stock with those numbers BMW would have to be lying about their crank hp, the more important question is, why would a performance car company lie DOWN from their actual numbers???

 

Diederik, are you selling your high stall torque converter?

 

vin1024,
You say easily tunable. Who's talking tunable???? A stock 330 will blow the doors off a S4. I don't care about all wheel drive or turbo. You need about twice the power those turbos are generating just to turn all 3 differentials. The center differential is not even the locking type, it's viscous coupling so at best your going to get a 20/80 split.
Unless the S4 is generating 400 horses(with about 300 at the wheels
) It will get left.

 

among others, and not limited to:

- perceived insurance surcharges...this was big in the 60's early 70's especially with HEMI's...they would underrate the cars for a better unsurance category until th einsurance companies caught on...

- their own ability to release a car in about a year or two, not do much to it, but then claim XX hp more than the previous model...if a can runs a true 260 hp, but the manufacturer advertises a 2000 and 2001 (for instance) at 235 hp...then in 2002 all of a sudden advertises a power jump to 260 (where the car is already), they don't have to do a darn thing to improve an engine, just sell more of the newer cars (presumably at a higher price)

 

Forgive the typos!!! And how do you get the edit/delete to work without getting an error message????

 

Nice ride Dman....Any mod's planned?

BTW, Whoever posted that the 330Ci will blow the doors off an S4 is a complete re%ard! Drive both cars and you'll see for yourself.

GC

 

I had that while test driving the 330i. My gf said she never saw me smile like that.

 

He traded the car in at the BMW dealer. If the torque converter had been for sale, it would be mine...

 

I don't think so.

 

Russ-
"I took out a 330 in my 5spd 2k1 stock. It was a close run, but I pulled to 1 car by 100mph. They aren't as fast as the 5th gen."

I highly doubt this. I have a 01 5 speed with intake, y-pipe, full cat-back, racing cat, ECU upgrade and a ssk. My friend has a 01 330i 5 speed auto and we raced from 70-110mph and i was less than 1 car length in front of him. BMW's are made for high speed. I think he would have probably caught up after 130 and broke even with me til we both topped out around 150 on the flat. We had to shut it down for traffic. Sure it wasn't a 323 auto you raced?

 

Would it really be a contender off the line and at high speeds? intersting.....

 

The numbers you listed are for a TL-S Auto. Doesn't Russ have a CL-S 6-Speed? Which he already mentioned is lighter than the TL. Not to mention the 6-Speed and his mods. I believe you got the numbers for the wrong car.

 

Why do u read the manufacturers website for 0-60 times??? They are always inaccurate, especially BMW

 

Damn, I am impressed, I never saw that test. The CL-S is lighter, so we will see..

 

Okay, what was your best 1/4 time then?

14.83X at 94.6X with 2.36X stock for me....

 

Russ you better race from a standstill or from about a 50 roll. If you start around 70 mph your CL-S is gonna get beat. The 330i is a beast on the highway, especially a manual.

Are you gonna mod the CL-S??

 

I got mine 1 month before the 6spd came out, its a auto, but still lighter than the TL by 200lb.

 

Guys, remember, a BMW is geared really well. One word; Autobahn So power-weight ratio isnt EVERYTHING.

 

I think US bound BMW's are limited to around 128 or 130 something like that so you would have kept pulling.

 

For now I'm only putting in a K&N airfilter. Maybe someday I'll do a chip upgrade after the 4yr/50K miles warranty is up.

 

Hey, how much did you pay for that extended 48 month/50k miles free maintenance upgrade? I just got back from the dealer. He offered $799, then brought it down to $699. I still have one day to decide. What would you recommend?

 

Heheh Read his sig buddy

BTW everyone remeber Russ has the "god's chariot" of all rides.
NOTHING will ever ever beat it.

 

I don't think 330 is as fast as most of you think it is during high speed, I perosnally pulled 2 car length from 330 coupe from 80-120mph. And don't tell me he was not racing with me

 

how about racing 525s and 530s? They paid 20 more grand for their cars. One dude got so upset with me he followed me in my apartment complex to woop my ***.

 

if you like BMWs, check out the DVD "the Hire" which BMW sent out to all BMW owners (People use to be able to purchase this on ebay). All short films by pretty good directors and all the car stunts were done with BMWs.

ps - i'm not trying to promote bMWs...just after watching that video, I miss my old BMW. still love my Max though.

 

I saw the short movie clips on bmw website. They were mint, especially the M5 one with Madonna.

 

Don't drive the G35. You might kick yourself for not test driving it first.

 

Sorry I am late to this thread.

I'm pretty sure all the clips were M5s. I downloaded a few of 'em from the site when I went broadband - entertaining.

Anyway, where are the pics of the 330i?

And who is this guy that guy who keeps saying a 330 will kill an S4?
Must be thinking of something else - S4 0-60 in 5.5sec

 

Actually there were no M's

740i, 540i , 330Ci, Z3, and maybe some others.

The website is still up... www.bmwfilms.com