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Old 06-14-2002 | 05:36 PM
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Muffler installation question

What's too much for an install of a Magnalfow muffler with built
in tips and some pipe work so I can put the original back on easy?
Old 06-14-2002 | 05:55 PM
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Re: Muffler installation question

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What's too much for an install of a Magnalfow muffler with built
in tips and some pipe work so I can put the original back on easy?
The price in my neck of the woods is $125.00 for a SS Magnaflow rear section installed.
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That sounds way too cheap. They charge $30 to remove a resonator.
The muffler itself has to be at least a $100. You got a good deal!
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Re: Re: Muffler installation question

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The price in my neck of the woods is $125.00 for a SS Magnaflow rear section installed.
hey do you know where i can order the SS magnaflow exhaust?
Old 06-14-2002 | 07:29 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Muffler installation question

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hey do you know where i can order the SS magnaflow exhaust?
Yup. At your local Magnaflow retailer. You can find him by going to the Magnaflow web site:

www.magnaflow.com
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That sounds way too cheap. They charge $30 to remove a resonator.
The muffler itself has to be at least a $100. You got a good deal!
You're pretty much in the ballpark. The muffler runs between $90 and $100 and installation runs between $25 and $35. Do the math and you'll see that $125 is about the right price.
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Originally posted by y2kse

You're pretty much in the ballpark. The muffler runs between $90 and $100 and installation runs between $25 and $35. Do the math and you'll see that $125 is about the right price.
Installation for $25-35! Who is doing the work a monkey? He said it will probably take an hour. I can't see someone only charging that much for an hour of work.
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Installation for $25-35! Who is doing the work a monkey? He said it will probably take an hour. I can't see someone only charging that much for an hour of work.
It is what it is, BlackMax2k1. My muffler shop sells a dual-tipped Magnaflow SS muffler installed for $125.00. And they do quality work. Perhaps the competition is a little stiffer here in Los Angeles than it is in your neck of the woods. But dems are da facts in La-La land!

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Old 06-14-2002 | 08:22 PM
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The price in my neck of the woods is $125.00 for a SS Magnaflow rear section installed.
the muffler shop that i went to was full of BS, they were gonna charge me about $90 for a custom b-pipe, another $60 or something for a glasspack resonator (which doesnt really quiet things down alot) plus like $110 for the muffle and another $25 for the tips. so i said forget it, ill just get that cattman mid-pipe with the resonator that has no crushed pipe, of messed up welds on it. but this whole exhasut ordeal has become a royal pain in the @$$ for now so im just concentrating on gettin to court for now and gettin my ticket paid off so im puttin it off for now.
Old 06-14-2002 | 08:32 PM
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the muffler shop that i went to was full of BS, they were gonna charge me about $90 for a custom b-pipe, another $60 or something for a glasspack resonator (which doesnt really quiet things down alot) plus like $110 for the muffle and another $25 for the tips. so i said forget it, ill just get that cattman mid-pipe with the resonator that has no crushed pipe, of messed up welds on it.
Actually that's about right. Around here a custom crush-bent aluminized-steel B-pipe goes for around $75.00. A Magnaflow resonator is about $90.00. And a Magnaflow SS muffler is $125.00. Those are all installed prices. Add that up and you're a shade under $300.00. That's about what your custom set up would cost you as well. Not too bad when you figure that a Cattman B-pipe and resonator cost $275.00 all by themselves. But at least the Cattman B-pipe is mandrel-bent, TIG-welded, and fabricated out of SS.

At $275.00, a reasonable case can be made for purchasing a Cattman B-pipe. At $350.00, no such case can be made for purchasing a Cattman muffler.

My suggestion? Buy a Cattman B-pipe and put a Magnaflow SS muffler on it. Then you'll have the best of both worlds. And your total outlay will be around $400.00 instead of $600.00+.
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ok now let me ask u one this about that, the cattman b-pipe with the resonator, i can get for at wholesale. so its not gonna cost much on my part, now the thing i wanted to know is this. do u have any idea how much the HKS rear section goes for, and is it worth it. it looks pretty damn good from what ive seen, the tips are a good 2 1/2" each and looks far from the stock unit, but have u pesonally heard what it sounds like or have any info on the rear section? thanx
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y2kse I got a Question for Ya!

Why is it that you hate name brand exhaust? What do you think about the greddy EVO? Do you think there is anything cheeper that would give me the same performance, sound and look?
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Re: y2kse I got a Question for Ya!

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Why is it that you hate name brand exhaust? What do you think about the greddy EVO? Do you think there is anything cheeper that would give me the same performance, sound and look?
Greddy is an Awesome Catback, nice deep sound. Cattman has a G@Y low sound, and HKS rear is the most overpriced piece of crap on the market. If youre going name brand go Greddy, or wait for Frankencar for about 3 months.....
Old 06-14-2002 | 10:28 PM
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Greddy is an Awesome Catback, nice deep sound. Cattman has a G@Y low sound, and HKS rear is the most overpriced piece of crap on the market. If youre going name brand go Greddy, or wait for Frankencar for about 3 months.....

What does G@Y low sound? Didn't you have a sound clip of the cattman? The cattman from custom maxima has the b pipe as a package and thats 610. From stillen the Greddy is 584 plus shipping and I am thinking this is a full catback system too. Is stillen the only place for it?
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Its not bad, its just a stock sounding exhaust....If I pay 600 for a ctback, I want some muscle to my sound ! No rice of course.....I think with a Y pipe and headers, if they ever make it for a 2K2, that might be the best choice for a ctback, to keep it quiet ....My buddy Leftcoast has a Cattman, and he had to chicken wire it to fit properly ! Thats not good for a $600 investment !
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Think it over gentlemen. Does anyone actually believe that an HKS muffler or a Greddy muffler or a Cattman muffler or a Stillen muffler are really so much better than a Magnaflow muffler or a Dynomax muffler or a Flowmaster muffler that it makes sense to pay up to $300.00 more for one of the former than one of the latter?

There is only one reason to sell a muffler for upward of $300.00 or a catback exhaust system for upward of $600.00. GREED! And there is only one reason to purchase a muffler for upward of $300.00 or a catback exhaust system for upward of $600.00. STATUS!

This is not to say that purchasing something to gain status is a bad thing. But doing so isn't logical, it's emotional. Unless you were able to purchase your name-brand muffler or catback system at a SUBSTANTIAL discount (as some on this forum have been able to do), don't try to convince me that you acted rationally in arriving at your purchase decision. You didn't. I know it and so do you.
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So when I get my Frankencar you will still be my friend .....
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Originally posted by y2kse
Think it over gentlemen. Does anyone actually believe that an HKS muffler or a Greddy muffler or a Cattman muffler or a Stillen muffler are really so much better than a Magnaflow muffler or a Dynomax muffler or a Flowmaster muffler that it makes sense to pay up to $300.00 more for one of the former than one of the latter?

There is only one reason to sell a muffler for upward of $300.00 or a catback exhaust system for upward of $600.00. GREED! And there is only one reason to purchase a muffler for upward of $300.00 or a catback exhaust system for upward of $600.00. STATUS!

This is not to say that purchasing something to gain status is a bad thing. But doing so isn't logical, it's emotional. Unless you were able to purchase your name-brand muffler or catback system at a SUBSTANTIAL discount (as some on this forum have been able to do), don't try to convince me that you acted rationally in arriving at your purchase decision. You didn't. I know it and so do you.


I beg to differ y2kse! Its not about status! I had installed a flowmaster with a custom catback on my (cough, cough) Civic and it helped performance wise but really didn't sound all that good. To me a flowmaster belongs on american cars it sounds a hell of a lot better and to me is designed for those types of engines. To test my theory I put a apexi catback on and my car did get faster, noticably. Additionally, when I had the flowmaster on, I raced my good friend who happend to have the same car, same mods except different catback. Let me tell you he took me low end and top end, plus I was a better stick driver too.(he only drove stick for less than 6months. So I am a firm believer that its not only a status thing, its really a performance decision.
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I beg to differ y2kse! Its not about status! I had installed a flowmaster with a custom catback on my (cough, cough) Civic and it helped performance wise but really didn't sound all that good. To me a flowmaster belongs on american cars it sounds a hell of a lot better and to me is designed for those types of engines. To test my theory I put a apexi catback on and my car did get faster, noticably. Additionally, when I had the flowmaster on, I raced my good friend who happend to have the same car, same mods except different catback. Let me tell you he took me low end and top end, plus I was a better stick driver too.(he only drove stick for less than 6months. So I am a firm believer that its not only a status thing, its really a performance decision.
I agree with you about Flowmaster, CIRCO. Some people like the sound of Flowmasters and that's why I included them. But they are not a true straight-through muffler like a Magnaflow or a DynoMax or an apexi. And from a performance standpoint, a straight-through muffler should provide the greatest benefits.

I have a $300.00 custom catback system. I would be willing to put my system up against ANY name-brand catback system in the world from a performance standpoint. And even if a name-brand performance system could generate 1 or 2 hp more than mine . . . which I seriously doubt . . . would it be worth paying twice what I paid for mine to get that extra 1 or 2 hp?
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Originally posted by y2kse

I agree with you about Flowmaster, CIRCO. Some people like the sound of Flowmasters and that's why I included them. But they are not a true straight-through muffler like a Magnaflow or a DynoMax or an apexi. And from a performance standpoint, a straight-through muffler should provide the greatest benefits.

I have a $300.00 custom catback system. I would be willing to put my system up against ANY name-brand catback system in the world from a performance standpoint. And even if a name-brand performance system could generate 1 or 2 hp more than mine . . . which I seriously doubt . . . would it be worth paying twice what I paid for mine to get that extra 1 or 2 hp?

Make me a custom catback with all the parts. I want catback with a RT cat. If you could be so kind as to name out the parts. Blaze away. Give me your best set up as I need exhaust like yesterday.
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Just order the Greddy. A custom Catback is good, but to actually find a place that can do a Mandrel bent one ( NO CRUSH BENDS ) real hard. The Greddy looks great , and sounds great. You wont be dissapointed. If you can actually find a competent muffler shop like Y2K goes to, then it's a different story.
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OK everybody. One more time in unison:

You don't need a mandrel bender to fabricate a mandrel-bent exhaust! All you need are mandrels.

Great, thanks.

CIRCO, I'm not in the business of fabricating exhausts. But you should be able to find a reputable muffler shop in HI that will do the job for you. Go to the Magnaflow web site (www.magnaflow.com) and use their Dealer Locator to get you started. I'm also not sure what you'll pay in HI. But get a few quotes and post them here. We'll give you some feedback.
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OK everybody. One more time in unison:

You don't need a mandrel bender to fabricate a mandrel-bent exhaust! All you need are mandrels.
I have no clue what your talking about...Can you give me a quick explanation?
Old 06-15-2002 | 05:19 PM
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I have no clue what your talking about...Can you give me a quick explanation?
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...A/Mandrel.html
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OK everybody. One more time in unison:

You don't need a mandrel bender to fabricate a mandrel-bent exhaust! All you need are mandrels.

Great, thanks.

CIRCO, I'm not in the business of fabricating exhausts. But you should be able to find a reputable muffler shop in HI that will do the job for you. Go to the Magnaflow web site (www.magnaflow.com) and use their Dealer Locator to get you started. I'm also not sure what you'll pay in HI. But get a few quotes and post them here. We'll give you some feedback.

Too late I was sick of the stock exhaust with Y and no resonator. I bought a custom exhaust madrel bends and all. Hayame catback, with custom mandrel bent piping, and its loud. But the power is there and its a deep tone. I love it! Lowend was not affected at all and the shop that did it said its better than the Greddy and he'll have dynos to prove. Well we will see I am going to the track on friday.
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Too late I was sick of the stock exhaust with Y and no resonator. I bought a custom exhaust madrel bends and all. Hayame catback, with custom mandrel bent piping, and its loud. But the power is there and its a deep tone. I love it! Lowend was not affected at all and the shop that did it said its better than the Greddy and he'll have dynos to prove. Well we will see I am going to the track on friday.
How much did it cost, CIRCO?
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How much did it cost, CIRCO?

I got a little discount but it wasn't no $300 package. He said for my engine is this exhaust is perfect. He said he ussually installs magna flows, flowmaters, borla, on chevy or big block fords or that type of engine. He also said he gets the dyno max mufflers for $10. With installation I paid 5 bills, all stainless, catback. Same straight through exhaust. Better than the Greddy which is not full stainless its actually aluminized metal not stainless, plus in hawaii the guy said the non stainless metals rust. Plus, I get a dual tips, not the cannon ball look that I would have had if I got the greddy. I priced out the greddy from a dealer on the mainland and it was 529 without shipping. Shipping would have been $150 can you belive that one. I would have spent $679 not installed plus have to pay the exhaust shop to weld a bung on to accept the O2 sensor which would have been an additional 60 for bung, and 60 for install of the muffler. So total for the greddy would have been 790+ tax for the install. I think I fared pretty well for 5 bills for a custom catback. So much for name brand, and status huh? I wonder if my ceramic coated Y will hold up in the salt air.
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I got a little discount but it wasn't no $300 package. He said for my engine is this exhaust is perfect. He said he ussually installs magna flows, flowmaters, borla, on chevy or big block fords or that type of engine. He also said he gets the dyno max mufflers for $10. With installation I paid 5 bills, all stainless, catback. Same straight through exhaust. Better than the Greddy which is not full stainless its actually aluminized metal not stainless, plus in hawaii the guy said the non stainless metals rust. Plus, I get a dual tips, not the cannon ball look that I would have had if I got the greddy. I priced out the greddy from a dealer on the mainland and it was 529 without shipping. Shipping would have been $150 can you belive that one. I would have spent $679 not installed plus have to pay the exhaust shop to weld a bung on to accept the O2 sensor which would have been an additional 60 for bung, and 60 for install of the muffler. So total for the greddy would have been 790+ tax for the install. I think I fared pretty well for 5 bills for a custom catback. So much for name brand, and status huh? I wonder if my ceramic coated Y will hold up in the salt air.
Congrats, CIRCO. Sounds like you made out all right. Enjoy your new exhaust. BTW, what you lost in status you can more than make up for in laughter as you look at what's left in your bank account!
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Congrats, CIRCO. Sounds like you made out all right. Enjoy your new exhaust. BTW, what you lost in status you can more than make up for in laughter as you look at what's left in your bank account!

Uh let me tell you I have been on a spending spree lately! Y-pipe, full suspension, rims, exhaust, stereo stuff, damn its getting hot in here. Plus, I still need my flywheel to complete my clutch assembly.
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Uh let me tell you I have been on a spending spree lately! Y-pipe, full suspension, rims, exhaust, stereo stuff, damn its getting hot in here. Plus, I still need my flywheel to complete my clutch assembly.
not 2 be picky or anything but i have a good point on this one, why didnt you just get the flywheel with u got the clutch put it, that way u wouldnt have to pay for the Removal and re-install of the tranny twice, but its too late now just keep that in mind for the future. heres a tip for u as well, once the tranny is out might as well have them replace the rear main seal of the crank. its only like a $3.00 part its very cheap and it will eventually go out, it does on every cat at one point and time. so after the XX,XXX amout of miles u have driven, might as well just to be on the safe side, but its not necessary just something to prevent leaks for a longer time. peace
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not 2 be picky or anything but i have a good point on this one, why didnt you just get the flywheel with u got the clutch put it, that way u wouldnt have to pay for the Removal and re-install of the tranny twice, but its too late now just keep that in mind for the future. heres a tip for u as well, once the tranny is out might as well have them replace the rear main seal of the crank. its only like a $3.00 part its very cheap and it will eventually go out, it does on every cat at one point and time. so after the XX,XXX amout of miles u have driven, might as well just to be on the safe side, but its not necessary just something to prevent leaks for a longer time. peace
Fool I am waiting for my fly wheel before I install the clutch. I haven't installed the clutch!@
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Fool I am waiting for my fly wheel before I install the clutch. I haven't installed the clutch!@
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i though u had the clutch installed recently, and didnt wait for the flywheel, u didnt explain what u meant, how am i supposed to completly guess what ur situation is. for all i know u could be an idiot, and really its soooo easy to call some1 a fool from 3000miles away, really ballzy...... thats why i dont show no attitude to any1 online, it makes no sense because any1 could act that way. in person is a differant story though.........CIRCO
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2K1HoMax
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Fool I am waiting for my fly wheel before I install the clutch. I haven't installed the clutch!@
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i though u had the clutch installed recently, and didnt wait for the flywheel, u didnt explain what u meant, how am i supposed to completly guess what ur situation is. for all i know u could be an idiot, and really its soooo easy to call some1 a fool from 3000miles away, really ballzy...... thats why i dont show no attitude to any1 online, it makes no sense because any1 could act that way. in person is a differant story though.........CIRCO

You assumed that I had it installed, even though on my website it says centerforce clutch waiting for flywheel. When you assume you make a @ss out of U and me. Hey if you are ever in Hawaii come check me out. I'll be more than glad to say it in person.
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You assumed that I had it installed, even though on my website it says centerforce clutch waiting for flywheel. When you assume you make a @ss out of U and me. Hey if you are ever in Hawaii come check me out. I'll be more than glad to say it in person.
well i apologize for not checkin out ur site the second i saw ur post. i just took what i saw from the post u make, mybad on makin a wrong assumtion, but in no way am i goin to waste my time to go to hawaii to meet up with some1 so he can call me a fool to my face, just so i can end up gettin arrested afterwards, its not the first time so im goin to just end it right here, Peace.
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yeah tell me about it, for some reason i usually got flared up on and for no really good reason. i dont show no attitude to any1 unless they got a problem with me, but the thing is WE ARE ONLINE. u dont know who the person behind the moniter is any1 could act anyway they want because thet know there probably never gonna see that person. dumb if u ask me(and no im not tryin to single out any specific person)
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