So Much for the Competition......
08-05-2003, 04:22 PM
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So Much for the Competition......
Saw this review of the new Pontiac Grand Prix today in the NY Times. Looks like '04 Maxima owners don't have much to worry about from this puppy....
http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/pontiac/grandprix/100252307/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=100431:
Remember the line from one of the first '04 Maxima ads :"Nothing has changed: Everything has changed"?
With GM, the line seems to be "The outside is changed: The defects/shortcomings have not been changed- nor will they ever be"
http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/pontiac/grandprix/100252307/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=100431:
Remember the line from one of the first '04 Maxima ads :"Nothing has changed: Everything has changed"?
With GM, the line seems to be "The outside is changed: The defects/shortcomings have not been changed- nor will they ever be"
08-06-2003, 08:51 AM
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Because they are sheep who can't see that cars are made outside of North America. I drove an 04 Grand Prix GT, priced around the same as my 04 Max SE. It was a piece of junk. It depreciates so fast that compared to the Max I'd be paying another $60/mo for it. Less car, and higher payments? No thank you.
CM.
CM.
08-06-2003, 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by CanadianMoFo
Because they are sheep who can't see that cars are made outside of North America. I drove an 04 Grand Prix GT, priced around the same as my 04 Max SE. It was a piece of junk. It depreciates so fast that compared to the Max I'd be paying another $60/mo for it. Less car, and higher payments? No thank you.
CM.
Because they are sheep who can't see that cars are made outside of North America. I drove an 04 Grand Prix GT, priced around the same as my 04 Max SE. It was a piece of junk. It depreciates so fast that compared to the Max I'd be paying another $60/mo for it. Less car, and higher payments? No thank you.
CM.
That guy is a joke
08-06-2003, 10:54 AM
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Re: So Much for the Competition......
Originally posted by 2k1GrayMaxSE
Saw this review of the new Pontiac Grand Prix today in the NY Times. Looks like '04 Maxima owners don't have much to worry about from this puppy....
http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/pontiac/grandprix/100252307/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=100431:
Remember the line from one of the first '04 Maxima ads :"Nothing has changed: Everything has changed"?
With GM, the line seems to be "The outside is changed: The defects/shortcomings have not been changed- nor will they ever be"
Saw this review of the new Pontiac Grand Prix today in the NY Times. Looks like '04 Maxima owners don't have much to worry about from this puppy....
http://edmunds.nytimes.com/new/2004/pontiac/grandprix/100252307/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=100431:
Remember the line from one of the first '04 Maxima ads :"Nothing has changed: Everything has changed"?
With GM, the line seems to be "The outside is changed: The defects/shortcomings have not been changed- nor will they ever be"
08-06-2003, 01:57 PM
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The Grand Prix previously wasn't a bad car and I am sure this one won't be either. THough the interior, IMO, is no step above the previous model. Though I find the 6th gen Max interior is no better than the 5th gen.
GM LOVES these bland gray interiors. Yuck.
GM LOVES these bland gray interiors. Yuck.
08-07-2003, 07:48 AM
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The Grand Prix previously wasn't a bad car
-Robert
08-12-2003, 03:03 AM
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Coming out of a 99 Pontiac GTP I have to state my piece. I agree that the build quality of it lacked alot, ie..cheap materials and breakage of parts. But, I have to disagree with the negative comments about the engine. That was probably the only redeeming quality of the car. For about $500 you can put yourself well into the 13's, with an air filter, exhaust, and smaller supercharger pulley. For about $1200 you can be very close to 12's. Plus the bottom end of that 3.8 block is bulletproof. Except for the pistons that stock bottom end is good for close to 500 hp. Now don't get me wrong i'm not putting down the Maxima in any way, i'm just stating some facts in defense of a car I've had experience with.
08-12-2003, 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by 2K4EliteSE
Coming out of a 99 Pontiac GTP I have to state my piece. I agree that the build quality of it lacked alot, ie..cheap materials and breakage of parts. But, I have to disagree with the negative comments about the engine. That was probably the only redeeming quality of the car. For about $500 you can put yourself well into the 13's, with an air filter, exhaust, and smaller supercharger pulley. For about $1200 you can be very close to 12's. Plus the bottom end of that 3.8 block is bulletproof. Except for the pistons that stock bottom end is good for close to 500 hp. Now don't get me wrong i'm not putting down the Maxima in any way, i'm just stating some facts in defense of a car I've had experience with.
Coming out of a 99 Pontiac GTP I have to state my piece. I agree that the build quality of it lacked alot, ie..cheap materials and breakage of parts. But, I have to disagree with the negative comments about the engine. That was probably the only redeeming quality of the car. For about $500 you can put yourself well into the 13's, with an air filter, exhaust, and smaller supercharger pulley. For about $1200 you can be very close to 12's. Plus the bottom end of that 3.8 block is bulletproof. Except for the pistons that stock bottom end is good for close to 500 hp. Now don't get me wrong i'm not putting down the Maxima in any way, i'm just stating some facts in defense of a car I've had experience with.
Very well said. I agree that the potential of that engine is almost unmatched in terms of moddability using little financial resources.
08-12-2003, 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by 2K4EliteSE
Coming out of a 99 Pontiac GTP I have to state my piece. I agree that the build quality of it lacked alot, ie..cheap materials and breakage of parts. But, I have to disagree with the negative comments about the engine. That was probably the only redeeming quality of the car. For about $500 you can put yourself well into the 13's, with an air filter, exhaust, and smaller supercharger pulley. For about $1200 you can be very close to 12's. Plus the bottom end of that 3.8 block is bulletproof. Except for the pistons that stock bottom end is good for close to 500 hp. Now don't get me wrong i'm not putting down the Maxima in any way, i'm just stating some facts in defense of a car I've had experience with.
Coming out of a 99 Pontiac GTP I have to state my piece. I agree that the build quality of it lacked alot, ie..cheap materials and breakage of parts. But, I have to disagree with the negative comments about the engine. That was probably the only redeeming quality of the car. For about $500 you can put yourself well into the 13's, with an air filter, exhaust, and smaller supercharger pulley. For about $1200 you can be very close to 12's. Plus the bottom end of that 3.8 block is bulletproof. Except for the pistons that stock bottom end is good for close to 500 hp. Now don't get me wrong i'm not putting down the Maxima in any way, i'm just stating some facts in defense of a car I've had experience with.
08-12-2003, 10:00 AM
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They keep using the old 3.8 liter because it's cheap to build now. But that motor has been around forever and is pretty well developed. Sooner or later GM will have to use something else.
Rumor has it that the new Vette will use a V8 version of the the Caddy concept V12. Dry sump lubrication for one. I bet some of this will trickle down to the V6s in a few years.
Rumor has it that the new Vette will use a V8 version of the the Caddy concept V12. Dry sump lubrication for one. I bet some of this will trickle down to the V6s in a few years.