TL guys bashing Maxima

 

link is broken. if the TLs bashing 6th gens are the new 04 TLs then i've got to say that the maxima has nothing against the new TL. the 04 TL owns the 04 max in every way!

 

I'd never buy a 6th gen Max, but that TL is tight...

 

http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=64842

 

Hey, if they are bashing the 04 Maxima it must be because they respect it. Otherwise they would just blow it off and not say anything about it.

The TL is in a slightly higher market, competing with Infiniti I think. I doubt that you could get a new TL equipped comparable to the Max for less than $5k more out the door. I know there will be folks that say they are getting a new TL for under invoice, but that will be very rare. Maxima’s are being discounted if not off MSRP then by getting more for your trade. I think the Max is a better value.

 

How dare they bash the Maxima!

We do our share of Acura/Honda & BMW bashing and I highly doubt it is because we respect them.

Despite being strictly FWD the TL competes with Infiniti, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Cadillac.
Members have taken it upon themselves to draw the TL into the Max's bracket with countless kill stories. Now that the odds are in favor of the TL, we have to find a way to separate it from the Maxima and find a way the Maxima is better: price/value.

 

Who cares both cars are nice... TL are a little pricey though when you add options.. Interior is beautiful.. People stress to much of what other people say.

 

While I wont bash the 6G Maxima, I'd definitely pay the add'l premium and get the TL (or G35 sedan).

I really don't want to offend 6G owners and I know styling preferences are subjective but, the 2004 Maxima is just plain ugly!! Whoever approved that styling should be fired from Nissan. (Then they had the nerve to put a similar ugly grill on the underacheiving Sentra.) The fact that TL guys are comparing the two is a credit to the 2K4 Max.

It seems that every subsequent generation of the Maxima has gotten uglier with the 3G SE being the best looking followed by the 4G SE then 5G SE followed 6G SE.

Peace

 

I think my car is very good looking. I don't know why some people think it's ugly. I can't understand, if the car was ugly then why do random people approach me and ask me all sorts of questions about the car. I've had a 3rd, 4th and I think my 6th gen blows them all away with the looks. Of course it's just an opinion.

 

I RESPECTFULLY disagree. The 5th Gens were definitly butt ugly (I still bought one). The 6th Gen is my favorite body style, and yes it looks better than the TL (exterior, that is) style.

Hey man, I'd like to have one of each - 04Max and 04TL...but then again if I could afford that, I probably wouldn't buy either one!

 

That's fine, I did likewise. My 5G has an ugly rear end but, it's one that I can live with. And my orig post was strictly my opinion. However, IF I had a 6G, my first mod would be a billet grill.

Peace.

 

You said it...looks are subjective.

However, this is my 3rd Maxima, and I think by far the best looking. I felt that my 4th gen was pretty ugly, my 5th gen a little better, and my 6th is downright beautiful (except for the grille). It also seems as though a lot of people agree with me...I get a lot of stares and people stopping me to ask about the Max and comment on its good looks! This never happened in my 4th & 5th Gens.

Just my 2 cents.

 

The new 04 TL is much better than the 04 max.... in every way...... but the max has the price advantage....

 

Say what??? Look at edmunds.com. Check out the standard equipment on a TL...then try to get that same equipment on a 6th Gen. The price advantage is actually with the TL.

 

Yep, the TL has TONNES of standard features. If you add the features to the max, the "price advantage" turned into a difference of a few bucks. Add Those features, plus navigation to the Maxima, than the TL has it beat.

To say that the Maxima and the TL don't compete with each other is RIDICULOUS. They are both in the same price range (although the Maxima has a lower base model at a lower price, the most expensive Maxima brings it in direct competition with the TL). They're both considered sport sedans, etc, etc, etc.

Now that the TL has arrived, I don't know if I would ever consider purchasing a Maxima. The TL has an interior that rivals Audi, superb fit and finish, better dealerships/customer service than Nissan, a HUGE navigation screen - 7in, better handling, precise control of torque steer, XM Radio standard, HIDs standard, a beautiful shifter (probably one of the best in the industry), more power, better gas mileage, and the list goes on.

I can understand looking at the Maxima if you were in the 30k and below price range, but higher than that the Maxima just can't compete.

 

Sounds like some .org members are going to be changing to a TL board pretty soon!

I actually waited to see what the '04 TL was like before I bought my '04 Max, and I think the Max not only looks better, but it offers greater interior room (which is what I was looking for). While the TL's styling is improved, I feel that it is still too generic looking.

I think that overall both are great cars, it's just going to be a subjective choice in the end.

 

Heh... I wasted an '04 TL today.

 

I meant, compare the lowest priced maxima with the lowest price TL... Not everyone wants every option, or has the budget to get the tl, so they buy a maxima..... thats what i meant....

 

Auto for Auto, the performance between these two cars is *very* close. So if you "wasted" the TL - he/she probably wasn't racing.

 

did you wait until the car was out of the delivery truck first? j/k


most of them probably wont race you since they are still in break in periord.....

I wonder if any mag has posted the 0-60 time...

 

If i put options to options and the difference between a max and tl is a few bucks, id rather get the TL....

And the maxima bose system is nothing compared to the tls dvd audio...

Honda is always know for quality..... thats why their interior is so amazing... but I have also heard of some flaws with things coming apart... I hear the tl doesnt have that torque steer that maximas do.... and the gas milage is a plus for sure.....

 

[QUOTE=DansMax3]Sounds like some .org members are going to be changing to a TL board pretty soon! QUOTE]

 

one of my friends just baught a 04 tl picked it up yesturday. it is a nice car but no nicer than the 03 cl- type s.. i dont think its any nicer than an 04 maxima. the only thing is the nav screen is 8 inches and the max is 7 i think.. the nav screen on the acura looks huge.. i took a ride in it yesturday and he got on it alittle but only had 56 miles on itso he really didnt wanna push the car.. it seems fast but no faster than an 04 max se.. auto for auto i think its a drivers race.. my brothers 03 cl type s ran a 14.75 at 94 mph stock and i ran a 14.64 at 94 mph the same day.. temp was in the high 70s and humidity was high 50s and in the mid 60s.. i know on a cooler day the max is good for a 14.4 so to me they have there good points and bad points.. drivers race though, but no real world times for the 04 tl yet..

 

do u guys really buy maxima or TL for racing?
how many times do u actually race with others on street from stop to stop?
as far as i can tell those 2 cars perform similar, as someone said before, it's a driver's race.

i bought the maxima because the 4 seat version. i was on the market a month ago tring to decide among TL, G35, A4 1.8 and maxima. i simply like the look of maixma, and how comfy the 4 seats version is.
as for performace, my other car is 3000GT vr4, 12.5@110. i dun see any reason taking a family car for race everyday (maybe once in a while) so TL guys, if u guys buy the TL because u think it runs faster, then u should have spend only 20k for a used supra or 3000gt. i strongly believe TL and maxima r built for comfy.

as for the interior, TL does look nicer than maxima, but a couple thousand more than maxima here in canada. i can use the extra 2 thousand bucks to get after market parts to make my maxima looks as good as the TL. (parts will be available sooner or later ) YEAH! u just pay more to get better material! same as u can pay 120k for a nice s class.

i'm a satisfied owner of maxima. i enjoy driving it everyday to work ( althought it's actually my wife's car) test drive both cars, pick the one u like, as long as u enjoy the car, what others said dun really matter!

 

I looked at both 03 and 04 TL when I decided to go with my Maxima SL (Base) which is all need. A 03 TL Type-S would have cost me $28500 a '04 would have cost me $32000, My SL cost me $26600. Maybe a $100 a month doesn't mean a lot to everyone but it does to me

 

120MPH isn't racing? Uh, ok...

 

I prefer to call it... "passing"

 

fosho... 100 bucks is a lot for me

 

Well, having test driven a new TL, I would say the ride on the Maxima was much better. I found the ride on the TL to be too harsh. The interior on the TL was nicer but the exterior on the Maxima I find to be nicer. Each to his own.

 

Haven't sat in the new TL, but can say that the exterior looks like a bland Mazda 626 (front) and rear looks like a wanbe old Mitzu Galant.

Oh well I'm sure it's a very nice car, it's just not for me.

To say either is "much" better implies a lack of subjectivity while making a point, even though we (most here) are loyal Nissan Maxima owners/fans.

 

Personally I think they really hurt the looks of the new TL by putting what looks like an indented strip along the entire length of the car. They should have kept it clean like the TSX. Is that strip a protector or just for decoration?

 

This thread just proves the point. Its just like women, even the ugliest one will be pretty to someone. This is just my oppinion and mean no offense to other gen owners, but I think the 5th gen is the best looking, especially the 02-03 5.5 gen. I happen to love the rear end, it is the most unique and sporty of them all. I like the 4th gens and I have definately grown to like the 6th gens. I'll admit, they hit me a little bit funny when I first saw them, but now I would drive one in a heartbeat.

Another guy said he thought the 3rd gen looks the best, I don't see that, but that is what makes us unique. So we should all just get the gen that we like best and don't drive the ones we don't like.

 

You have an ugly woman dont you?

 

That depends, since the TL does leave the 6th Gen in dust in every way. Look at the HP and the styling. Can you blame them? When I saw the 6th Gen, it really killed my liking for Nissan cars. Damn NISSAN with those buck tooth grille. Too much similairity with the Altima.

 

the 2002 tls are quicker then the 5th and 6th gen maximas...... and that auto compared to manual!

 

Why the FAWK would I want to pay $34k for a nearly 3600 lb vehicle that is *STILL* FWD, and only has a little 3.2L engine with a mere 238 lb-ft of torque to *pull* not PUSH it around with??

With the Maxima you have a well equipped for $30k or under vehicle that is 100 lb lighter, and has a very torquey and proven 3.5L engine with 255 lb-ft (more like 270 probably). Better, but *still* driving the wrong set of wheels for a big car like this.

OF COURSE the new TL ownz the Maxima in every way. They know they paid way to much for a FWD car and need to make up lies and nonsense to justify their purchases. What about that extra 30 lb-ft of torque on the Maxima? Oh, does the TL have rear heated seats, rear console, and 4 passenger seating options?


Sorry, but the G35 still ownz everybody coming out of Japan. It's one of the few import entry-lux cars that is driving the proper set of wheels and also has the power to play with the big boys in the low-$30k range.

 

I'm sorry. What?

Maxima: 255 (more like 270) TQ pulling 3450 lb
04 TL: 238 TQ pulling 3550 lb

Best 04SE Maxima auto time: 14.6 @ 94


TL leaving the 6th gen Max in the dust in every way possible? I think not!

 

I'm sorry. What?

Lots of 02 SE auto guys here have run 14.6-14.7 @ 93-94 mph stock which is about what a TL-S will run but at 95-96 mph, meaning the TL is BEHIND the entire race but catch up finally at the end with the faster trap. Torque ownz. A few Max auto guys have even run sub-14.5 runs all stock but that's pretty rare.

The TL-S is faster from about 70-110 due to better gearing, but the Maxima is quicker.

 

Gotta love the logic here.

TL 270HP > Maxima 265HP

Therefore, TL is faster in every way.

Lets please try not to be ricers and forget all about that missing torque in the TL and also that extra 100 lb of weight as well. BTW, from a previous thread, it looks like the Maxima may really have more like 280hp/270tq like the G35c, but I eagerly await dynos to confirm. We'll have to have a nice dyno shoot out when some of the TL guys dyno.

For the record, I think the 04 TL is a very nice car. But I saw one the other day and the front looks just like a TSX (couldn't tell the difference at all) and the rear looks like a Lincoln LS. And I'm just not feeling the sides either. It looks very bland to me already and the car is brand new. Call me weird if you want, but I think the 04 Max looks much better. It's different yes, but it stands out a lot more. And for that much money I would like a little more torque than what it has, and I would also like power going to the rear wheels, not the front wheels. I think a Max still passes (barely) with FWD at its sub-$30k pricing nicely equipped. The TL is a nice car, but just not for me.

 

nice post steVTEC.........