Not only were they unmerciful to the TL regarding torque steer, they quoted a Honda engineer that admitted they "may have gone a little too far" in the desgin of this car, causing the problem. WOW! When did you ever see an engineer involved in the design of a new model say they made a mistake soon after introduction??? I wouldn't be feeling too good if I had a new TL right now.

 

As a very likely next purchase being a TL for me, I find your comments rather funny. The Maxima has been blamed for terrible torque steer as well and as for TL owners not 'feeling too good', I would rather have a TL than a bloated, buck toothed, 6th Gen that from more than one angle looks like a Saturn. But, again...to each his own.

As for the engineer...like most other things in life...the comments of one person hardly should be taken as fact.

 

sub 6 sec 0-60 / 14.4 in the 1320.....what mistake?
out of that NA 3.2

 

Umm, it's a bit different when that "one person" is on the DESIGN TEAM of the Acura TL. Hey look, I'm NOT kocking the TL, I'm only showing that all the TL guys that were so anxious to knock the Maxima for the "torque steer reviews" can now suffer along with us!!! I take most reviews with a grain of salt. As far as I'm concerned the ONLY review that really counts is my test drive "review". As far as your nasty remark about the Maxima styling, let's face it, it's REALLY tough telling the TL from the TSX!

 

I was just going to say the same thing. It isnt like one of us schmos made that comment.

 

5.7 sec 0-60 i think. Thats too dam sweet, wouldnt mind torque steer if it was doing that!

 

Prior to buying your TL, you may want to invest in LASIC. The Maxima has similar lines to saturn, whoopdee dooo. It isn't like they are similar in any other way.

Could be worse, you could have a pepped up Honda Accord with the blandest styling available... errr, I mean 04 TL...

 

GMC, I remember I started a Tl concept forum a while ago and you said there was no point making any comments until the real thing came out (abuot the 0-60 times).. I was wondering what you thought of it overal... and what you think of the inside? Would you get one?

 

And the TL looks exactly like a TSX.

 

and

 

The TL guys have to be smarting from that review. Apart from applauding it's rocket-like straight line acceleration, they pretty much dissed the driving dynamics of the TL. What I found interesting is that they claim that the limited slip diff. actually makes the torque steer WORSE in the case of the TL, and for this reason actually recommend buyers get the automatic version notwithstanding the swetness of the 6 sp. shifter (no LSD with auto). Damn - the one thing I disliked most about the 6th gen. Max looks like it might be even WORSE in the TL. I'm pretty glad that an AWD G35 has hit the market.

Cheers,

Jaeger

 

Ahh fresh over stated 6th Gen hating AGAIN.

Tooth --- OLD, and there hasn't been many if any aftermarkets that look better Humm.
ION -- Because most want to see it that way, and use it to hate.
Bloated -- Most people don't want a narrow, short little car when they are looking for a almost fullsized sedan. I guess the GS is just a fat A&&, 745 is a Cow

Anyway, I like the TL but it not perfect either. It looks like a Mitz Galant from the side and rear, and front looks like a Mazda 6.

The Max wasn't intended to please the "semi boy toy" market anymore.

Now for performance, that 5hp difference is not getting the "5.7", as I said before. I would like to get this car to the track and due 5 - 10 runs, someone said that it/they adjusted for sea level. I don't know much about that.

If an auto max is getting 14.6 on the 1/4 what will the 6-sp get once people have learned to drive?

Hate away. I'm not going to bash the TL. To each his own.

 

What is all the fuss about torque steer, hell I love torque steer. The Max has some torque steer because the 3.5 VQ has torque unlike the new TL. As far as I am concered people who whine about torque steer are a bunch of wimps who should go look at a Tarus.

 

Hey what's with this animosity towards our 6th gen brethren ? I'll admit when I saw photos of 6th gen, I liked it, but upon seeing it in person, it made me think of an aggrandized Altima. It's still a mighty fine car however.

Opinions aside, the Mag was harping on the fwd platform, and totally shat on Acura all over the article. They mentioned with better rubber, the acceleration #'s would be better, which is pretty scary. For the price range, it seems to be targeting the 5 series, G35S, GS4xx sedans.

That being said, it does remind me too much of its little brother, the TSX. I had to do a double take the other day, upon seeing a TL, since I thought it had similar dimensions as the TSX. I belive the TL has a slit - looks gross - along the flank whereas the TSX is a clean side profile. For the price, I'd rather get the 6MT or Auto G35, but maybe Im a tad biased.

 

IM sick of all this 6th gen bashing! we dont go into the 5th gen forum and talk sh*t about your cars so why come here just stating your opinion and doing it with a lot of trash talk on a car that you dont own? If you hate the 6th gen so much then why are you browsing the forums looking for a place to bash it? Just because I hate the rear end of the 5th gen doesnt mean I go into the 5th gen forum and sing a song about it.

 

Glude, I think it's called jealousy. That's the only reason I can think guys like that come here to be nasty. It's like the little kid who can't have the toy, so he'd rather break it.

 

WTF! I cant belive the f@ckin trolls from the other "gens" or froums to come over here to waste our time and space! We "6th gens" could have purchased a lot of other vehicles in this price range( 350z- G35's, ect) but we bought what we wanted a "Nissan" "Maxima"! Deal with it & get lost!

 

haha don't blame all of us from the other gens, its one person. However I think the 6th is neat looking. Its amusing that CD actually blasted an Acura (they usually kiss honda's a**). Go Nissan

 

Hey 5th gen guys - back to your corner.

Anyhow, I thought the review was bittersweet. All these Acura guys have been blasting the Maxima for its torque steer and using that among other things as their basis for "not being in the same class" as the Maxima and then their beloved C&D mag goes and blasts them for what? FWD and torque steer. And because the review was not overwhelmingly positive and embracing of the latest and greatest Acura product, they are therefore biased BMW lovers.

Geez, who really cares? The car is a nice CRUISER and that seems to be what most of the Acura guys are looking for. So who cares if it doesn't handle nearly as well as or have the balance of a RWD setup like the G35 or 330i? Blame Acura for positioning the car as a 330i/G35 killer when it is clearly NOT! I was reading some threads over there and somebody said they ought to be comparing the car to other entry lux **FWD** cars like the Volvos, Lexus ES330, I35, Maxima (shudder!), etc. Couldn't have said it better myself. No 3500 lb FWD car is ever going to be able to stand up to RWD cars when it comes to handling and balance. Thing is, Acura doesn't have a RWD platform like the G35. So to attack the #1 selling entry lux car what do they do? They will let their marketing spinsters go about their usual business and try to convince people that their cars are something that they are not. Go Acura.

Anyhow, it's a nice car. But geez, for the low/mid-$30k range I would like to get something better than recycled Honda Accord underpinnings. Unless I lived in an area where winter weather was a common issue I suppose. At least on the Maxima you're not being forced to pay a premium (compared to the Acura) for recycled Altima underpinnings. You can have a very nicely equipped FWD Maxima minus this DVD audio and Bluetooth stuff from the Acura (who really cares?) for under $30k still ($28k?) The Acura has you paying $33k. I'll pass.

 

Well, Glude, I've asked this same question a number of times on various threads, and the same 5th gen owners will reply "We're just stating our opinions, so deal with it..."

But, once again, why would you give negative "opinions" and even encourage perspective 6th gen buyers to purchase competing cars in a 6th gen Max forum when you don't even own the car? The answer is one of two possibilities....they either have zero class, or they are insanely jealous. As a former 5th gen owner, I'll bet on jealousy.

 

I don't even gamble, but I'd consider that a safe bet. The 6th generation completely broke away from the mold of the previous five, which all IMO look like they come from the same cookie-cutter as the Toyotas and Hondas, which never get a second glance. They're still in the "beat 'em" phase.... eventually when they realize that the thousands they've dumped into aftermarket parts still leaves them looking like they're driving their grandmother's car in comparison, they'll come around to the "join 'em" phase.

 

Gee, are some 6th Gen. owners feeling a little sensitive? I actually thought this was a TL-bashing thread - what with that CD review being as negative as I can ever recall for a Honda / Acura product. Then one guy makes a buck-tooth comment and the whole group collectively hits the roof with a whole chorus of "stop bashing our car" whining? What gives?

It seems from reading these whinging posts that many hold the view that a) only complimentary things may be said about the 6th gen and/or 2) if anything negative is to be said, it may only be said by a 6th gen owner. Sounds like a formula for the creation of a mutual admiration society. Not terribly practical. Why does one have to own the car to have a valid opinion about it? After all, if I test drive the car, and don't buy it, my opinion about what I don't like about the car is every bit as valid as the guy who liked it well enough to make the purchase.

Why come to the 6th Gen forum then? Well, unlike many who are making pronouncements on the motivation of others, I'll only presume to speak for myself. I'm a Nissan fan and a Maxima fan. This is Nissan's flagship model and I'm interested in what it has become and where it is going. There are things I like about the car and things I don't. Some of the things I don't like are fixable and I'm interested to see if that happens. If it troubles some if and when I point out what I don't like about the car I won't pretend that bothers me in the least. I can't for the life of me figure out why it would bother you. You are not your car. It's not personal.

Cheers,

Jaeger

PS - I'm real interested to know if anyone other than RDM actually "loves torque steer". Now that cracked me up.

 

I think there's a big difference between expressing a view and offering contructive criticism as opposed to "taking potshots". Many who come here seem to love to just take potshots. I may be wrong, but to me that's a big difference.

 

Can't we all just get along?

If 5th gen guys don't like the looks then fine. Feel free to post your opinions in this thread: Poll: How do you feel about the new look of the 6th Gen Maxima.

Idiot sarcastic comments like this...

...are not needed in every damned thread.

Oh and by the way, the TL just happens to be 100 pounds heavier than the "bloated" Maxima and also has significantly less torque.

 

its not the criticism that bugs me, its just the words in which people say it.

 

I think the 6th gen is ugly, overweight, expensive, and is a complete departure of it's intended design....to be a sporty FWD sedan. Does that make me jealous? Hell no, I would never buy the car because it completely goes against what I want in a car. My opinion is that I don't like the 6th gen. I don't like the 5th gen either, but I still hang out in their forum too.

As for the TL, I'd take the TL over the 6th gen without even blinking. It's what I call a true sporty FWD sedan. The exterior and interior are top notch. Same goes for the performance. Would I get it if I had 32K+ for a car. Hell no. I'd take a G35 6 speed with leather/HIDs for $28500.

All the 3.5 VQs suffer from torque steer and now Acura is starting to see it. When are these makers going to realize they've pushed the envelope with the amount torque you can push to the front wheels? Give us RWD back.


Dave

 

that was my point.

 

True, but for those obviously taking gratuitous and provocative potshots, I would suggest that bytching about it en masse is not the best response. There is only one proven method for dealing with a troll: ignore it. That makes them dry up and die. Anything esle gives them what they want: a reaction. They feed on that.

But calling everyone with anything negative to say about the 6th gen. a troll displays a level of ignorance on par with that of the troll itself. As does suggesting that only owners may offer a valid opinion.

Cheers,

Jaeger

 

C'mon Dave stick to making them thar ghetto air boxes

J/k of course, you da man when it comes to intakes (and other stuff). I'd just like to say that Nissan has moved the Maxima up the luxury ladder and away from the Max enthusiast. That's why there is a 6spd G35 w/4doors and will not be a Maxima-based I35 I assume. From your comments, Nissan has made the right decision, the enthusiast will upgrade to the G35 & the not-so enthusiastic family guys will head to the Maxima. Everybody wins!

 

To be honest, I got a maxima because it is FWD, I could care less about torque steer. I care more about SNOW which is on the ground up here. If I lived in Texas, I wouldn't own a maxima, TL, Accord, Camry etc... I'd own my 2002 Trans Am I traded because it was RWD. It had TWICE the Ballz my Maxima hads. Some of us northern guys have to buy what the climate allows us to buy.

 

You're right! it's a few bad apples.

 

The Question: For $34-35G equally equipped what would a non-6G Maxima, non-2k4 TL owner rather purchase, a 3.5SE OR TL??

And for the record, Dave B is a 4G guy not 5G.

 

100lbs? Muscle weighs more than FAT.................

 

See the problem is, before everyone said the TL was too bland... Now its all flashy and people dont like it..... what is the problem? First, it seems like Acura wanted to make the TL all sporty looking... The Maxima doesnt look sporty, it looks classy but has the power to back it up.... That could be where a lot of disputes are in the looks. and I like the max more than the g35... just my 2 cents....

~PEACE~

 

The Question: Who the hell paid $34-35G for their Maxima? Why?

 

Trans Am

 

Thats my question.. I would never pay that for a Maxima!! But also, i think it could be those dealers charging alot when they first came out....

 

I bought mine in May. They were selling for invoice and as far as I know they still are. I wanted a G35 but at the time they were going for MSRP+. I think you can deal on a G35 now though.
But you know what? I've had the Maxima for 8 months now which means in only 18-24 months I'll go get something else!

 

MaxPilot (6G SL owner) stated the MSRP for fully option 6G in another thread: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=267404&page=2

My answer to your question is: not me!

Peace.

 

I know. mine stickered for over $34k. I paid $28k, I think some have done better.
Who got their g35 for $6k under sticker?