Have you looked at the intakes on the Stillen site?

http://www.stillen.com/sportscars_pr...cat=187&dsbp=1

They're selling 3. One looks like their own, and the other two are the Injen models, one in polished and one in black.

How does that Stillen intake deliver 17HP and the Injen 5HP? You've got to be mistaken about those figures. Granted the short intake may be fractionalyl more efficient, but it isn't 12+ HP more efficient.

Unless there are different Stillen intakes available that are not located on their website?

CM

 

I still say a true CAI will produce the most HP, all the engine bay HAI will be close to the same. Sound increase from a intake? Not sure what that is all about since the interior of the Max is pretty quiet. Will you get a major HP gain from just a intake......maybe a few HP. This is not a magic bullet, neither is a K&N filter.

Believe it or not, sometimes an open air filter can deplete HP from sucking in hot air.

Hey, not bagging on some of these intakes....hell, you can get a 35 dollar cheap one on Ebay that does about the same thing, or you can have an exhaust shop custom make a pipe for you...with alot of crimps reducing flow. Even seen some Home Depot PVC things done....ON A BMW!

This engine will not get a major gain without something that costs a bit more than an intake. 12-17 HP from any intake.....BS to me. Been through this with Ram Air intakes on Camaro SS and T/A.....they did not do too much, but the hoods looked pretty.

Flame suit on and ready......

Stock filter should flow pretty well as is. On my Z28, had a CAI, had to worry about water when it was raining alot, made a pretty sucking sound getting more air.....but never did much for me, spent a few hundred bones.....even changed MAF ends.....nothing. Granted my experience if from a LS1 engine that made close to 300 HP and if more air could help out an engine....that was the one.

Any of these manufactures of intakes......I hold all the HP figures as speculation unless they are tested by INDEPENDENT dyno tests.

Just my 2 cents.

Give me some REAL independent dyno tests for a few different people....

Than I might buy and fight the power with the dealers every time I have to service the car under warranty to remove the pretty 200 buck tube and open air filter.

For a few HP....unless someone has alot of dyno....no reason for me having a stock Maxima to spend the bucks on this. Some dealers can be picky on mods. Now.....if someone has something to back up the stuff with real dyno tests....and I do not even trust the Injen intake results posted on their website.....I will be willing to listen.

For something that looks pretty under my hood......I never bought this car to pop the hood and brag to my friends....."Check This Out!"
I just pop the hood to check the fluids and vitals.....please don't hate.

 

Best post I've seen in a long while. Granted i'm a 4th gen'er lurking here, but these intakes are great...for showing off to your friends! I decided to experiment by making my own intake before spending money on an off-the-shelf kit. It sounded sweet, and felt as fast as a hell, especially under those overpasses... Then one day, I tried to beat a v6 Camry off the line to change lanes, and found out I couldn't! It was an auto to top it off Did some more research and found that HAI do indeed lose bottom-end torque, while CAI lose top end, so I switched back to stock setup with a drop in K&N panel filter. My car has never felt better...
There are a few dynos out there that show the hp & tq figure for various intakes and I do believe those that show peak increases are at the expense of bottom end tq. Remember torque gets you off the line fast, hp gets you speeding tickets over 130mph, pick what's important to you I preferred to keep my money from Injen/berk/stillen

 

I wouldn't argue that the difference between intakes is going to be minimal. But come on, a 12HP difference? No way. Its a BS marketing ploy for sure.

That being said. I own an Injen CAI and I'm skeptical about their HP figures on their website too.

CM

 

I think I want to get the Berk but what is the model number because they do not show it on their website for the "04.

 

Just send them an an email and they'll set you up.

Bob

 

does anyone liek teh fram air hog??

 

Man F#ck Berk.those Mo Foes Are HArd To Get A Hold Of.ive Been Callin And Callin And Nothing.i E-mailed And Nothing.as Many People As They Have Buying Their Intakes They Cant Even Find Time To Upgrade Their F#cking Web Site So I Can Order It On Line.thats Bs.plus I Read Some WHere That You Have To Wait A Wile Before They Can Get The Intake Made.now If I Get The Injen And I Run My Car Through A Car Wash ..........will The Undercoat Spray Shot Water Into The Intake? Let Me Know What You Think.

 

If you guys venture over tot he 5th gen forum you'll notice that 80% of us have tried just about every intake in the book and have all gone back to the stock airbox. But no matter what you do, spare yourselves and do not waste your money on the Injunk.

 

That Does Not Answer My Question.

 

My comment was directed at everyone. I didn't even read your post.

 

so read it and dont waste our time .

 

I dont think he is wasting our time. The guy knows a LOT about the vq35 and was probably just making a point that this thread is worthless. A 50 post thread about intakes and which is better when theres minimal gains to be made from them. When theres a mod that arguably makes power, then it would be worth posting a thread about it.

 

Correct. I was only trying to provide some insight as to what many of us A33B owners have already been through. You can make just as much power with the stock airbox (slightly modified) as you can with these aftermarket intakes. And it's much more quiet to boot.

 

all you have to do is use the splash guard to protect it from the opening towards the center of the car.

Cold air is better for the flow through the car.

 

How did you come up with this answer?

 

Personal experience with several motors says SAVE YOUR MONEY. You WILL NOT "feel" a difference, you will hear it. If that fly's your flag, go for it, but you gained nothing in real-world HP or torque. How much is that CAI helping you in normal driving conditions? Sitting at a light, crawling in traffic, you know, where you drive most of the time? Yup, looks good and sounds "good", but that's about it.

 

I am interested in the GD on the Berk Intake but I can't find the thread can someone point it out Please

 

This quite pretty much sums up what ive suspected all along. I think nissan engineers these intakes, atleast on the '04 to yield the greatest combination of max hp plus torque. I definately want torque, If I paid $300 and got less pull off the line Id be sending it back. Im getting a K&N.

 

I just ordered the Berk and it is back ordered for 2 weeks

 

The Stillen uses the cold air scoop to direct air right at theait filter. Also, the air filter is located betwwen the fenderwall and the battery, which is like a barrier for hot air. I suppose a piece of sheetmetal could be made to seal it there for more effcient cold air intake. . . . . And then Ill paint everything in the engine compartment black . . . ...

Just kidding.

 

Ok, To stop hot air from entering the cold air intake (defeating its purpose) I propose a solution:
Fabricate an aluminum basin to lay the cone filter in, place a seal on the rim of it, a rubber gasket of some sort. cut a hole in the hood directly over it. Center an aftermarket hood scoop over the hole. So then you would have a ram-air hood.

 

There are two types of Cold Air Intakes for all you newbies out there. V1 and V2. V1's are regular CAI's that take in gobs of air and throw it at the engine. All is good and the price on the CAI's is reasonable ...like the Berk, excellent craftmanship and fit and finish, nice sound and growls when pushed hard....about 10 hp or so on the 05 Max and the best price of all the CAI at around $180. plus installation The V2's such as the AEM which is now available through your dealer as a NISMO upgrade kit for about $350 installed ( $500 Can. This is a dual resonance CAI that produces opposite resonance frequencies and will supply up to 16 HP in the Max. However it's difficult to install since a few things have to be taken out and put back in the process. Best thing after this for your added ponies is to remove a section of the rear Y pipe that connects the two mufflers. This is crimped. Replace it with a nice big round pipe and voila, another 10HP is freed up. You can also change the fuel injectors and change the UDP (under drive pulley. All of these modds will cost you less than $1000 and will add up to over 30 HP! Your Max will be Maxing out around 300 ponies in no time. And if you have the guts, leave the CAI behind and insall at Centrifugal Supercharger for around $2500 or less installed. Less costly than a roots and it comes with everything you need. Works off of the belts and bolts on in minutes.
Personally I would go for the Berk...it's less of a hassle to install.
Remember that you don't want to go for more than 300 - 340 HP with Front wheel drive because of the Torque steer....and that's no bum steer! LOL!

Oh and I just order my Berk...better low end torque too!

 

Please give a link to where I can order this!

My Maxima definitely needs a supercharger if it's less than $2500 installed and only takes minutes to install.

Thanks.

 

Y'all do realize that even the best one of these wont make any more than 3hp on its own, right?

 

I've often wondered about those dyno results, but after replacing my filter box with one I can believe that they may indeed help a little (my JWT claims around 6 FWHP if I recall correctly).

The thing about these so called Cold Air Intakes is that I really wonder just how cold the air really is!

Think about it for a minute. Have you ever touched the pavement on a hot day? Man, that is far from "cold", and in TX where I live, it gets pretty hot!

Now, with a setup with the JWT like I have that does not extend down that low, you might say that the air it will suck in will be warm from the engine. The thing is, with the air flowing in from the snorkel directed right at the "intake", I wonder just how warm that air around the "intake" really is. In fact, it may be cooler that the air coming off of the hot pavement! If you were to seal it off (put in a heat shield) then I would almost bet the air would be cooler than with a CAI pulling in heat off of the pavement.

For my money then, buy a POP charger like the JWT. It only sets you back about $100, won't run the risk of sucking up water (which does happen...trust me) and may very well make as much, or better power when driving than a CAI.

The dyno and the "real" world are different things.

 

modified stock intake is the best way to go.

 

I've got the Injen CAI, like many other guys on Cardomain. Knock on wood, I haven't had a problem with it. A few guys have had the bracket come off, but Chris aka Chernmax came up with an awesome fix. Nevertheless, I was a little skeptical and concerned before I bought it. However, after installing it myself and I'm no mechanic, I was extremely pleased. I already had the Greddy, but I remember the first time I drove it afterwards, my friend and I took the Max for a spin, and I gunned it like crazy and my tires spun and then it started to pull with seemingly quite a bit more torque down low and continued on pulling and pulling. My friend and I looked at each other with the biggest cheesy grins on our faces. It was a rush, I'm not kidding! So, I firmly believe there is a gain in low-end torque because the Injen intake is placed farther away from the heat of the engine, therefore allowing the intake air to be cooler. Granted, it's not a true cold air intake, but it is the closest thing I know of on the Max other than that new AEM intake. I don't like the AEM as much because it doesn't appear to have the connections for the air flow sensor stuff and all that like Injen. One last note, the injen intake looks supa PHAT in the engine bay and the sound is unbelievable. That may be the reason a person shouldn't get one, if they are scared of the wild sound coming out. One last scenario, when some guy tried to race me in a tricked out Honda Accord with some chicks inside and their windows down. I will never forget the looks on their faces as I smoked by them and that INJEN intake was screaming in their ears with the windows down. They were shocked and trippin!! And I, of course, was lovin' it! Anway, good luck on your choice of intakes, but in my opinion Injen is the best. PEACE

 

I ordered a Berk Intake a few weeks ago and never received it. After calling them; they said that they were waiting on parts and it would be 3 weeks before they would be able to ship out orders. They refunded my money on 7-25-05...I ordered the Injen CAI the next day and have been happy with it since I installed it. Not as loud as the Berk; but I am still pleased. I originally ordered the Berk because of my brother's intake on his 05 Altima...great product; I just didn't want to wait the 3 weeks. Maybe they are still waiting on parts...

Love in Injen sound @ 5000rpm...waiting for my house to sell so I can pair it up with a new y-pipe and the Cattman exhaust.

 

V1 and V2?? Like superchargers?? Got pics? Better yet, got dynos?

 

No, "V1" and "V2" are the SAE standard terminology for the two types of cold air intakes.

Duh.

 

I don't see any issues with the MAF sensor mount. But hey, if thats your only objection.

 

Yo Squint, you are right. I hadn't looked at it close enough to say for sure, so I'll have to defer to your pic which shows the connect. Thanks for correcting me, my bad on the wrong info. The AEM probably is a quality piece, no doubt, I'm just partial to the Injen. Don't hold it against me! HA, ha! PEACE

 

JWT all the way

 

No problem, I wouldn't hold it against you. I was going to buy the Injen, but the AEM came out and I couldn't resist.

 

Which is why AEM backs theirs up with a dyno.

 

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So if I showed you 2 dynos and stated one was with my product and the otehr was w/o, you would believe me ...

Independent dynos > manufacturer dynos ...

 

This thread is hilarious!! Especially the V1 V2 talk and all the bogus HP numbers that people know so much about. Modified stock intake all the way for me.

 

Berk has more votes because it's cheaper, not nessassarily better than Injen.

But that's strickly my opinion...